Atago

[Dark_Mercy]

Looks like a great ship. The price point is a little absurd though. $51 package for a single ship? I'd turn off the game and go buy three to four other games on a Steam sale for that.  Freemium is not a popular model with PC players to begin with. But if you dropped it down to around the $10 - $15 range, you would probably make a sale from me.

 

Cheers on a fantastic game so far though, have been impressed.

[Red_Raven_168]

http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/38634-atlanta-and-atago-to-much/

[Spyde]

Then don't buy it ?

 

Many many people have and paid the $51.  So seems it worth $51.

 

[Dark_Mercy]

Thanks, I hadn't seen that.

[Fast_Battleship_Iowa]

$10 to $15 for a tier 8 premium?

 

 

You must be new here.

[Dah_Bears268]

Looks like a great ship. The price point is a little absurd though. $51 package for a single ship? I'd turn off the game and go buy three to four other games on a Steam sale for that.  Freemium is not a popular model with PC players to begin with. But if you dropped it down to around the $10 - $15 range, you would probably make a sale from me.

 

Cheers on a fantastic game so far though, have been impressed.

 

If $10-15 premiums are your thing, take the Murmansk(3000 gold= $14.79, or you buy the $16 package directly from store with a ship slot+ elite captain = cost 325 gold otherwise). Atago is priced high because it is a T8 Premium capable of making considerably more credits per game than Murmansk.

[alex08060]

Looks like a great ship. The price point is a little absurd though. $51 package for a single ship? I'd turn off the game and go buy three to four other games on a Steam sale for that.  Freemium is not a popular model with PC players to begin with. But if you dropped it down to around the $10 - $15 range, you would probably make a sale from me.

 

Cheers on a fantastic game so far though, have been impressed.

 

SerB will show you the middle figure 

[Dark_Mercy]

 

If $10-15 premiums are your thing, take the Murmansk(3000 gold= $14.79, or you buy the $16 package directly from store with a ship slot+ elite captain = cost 325 gold otherwise). Atago is priced high because it is a T8 Premium capable of making considerably more credits per game than Murmansk.

 

Perhaps the veterans of the series marginalize / rationalize a little bit differently than a new player. They could put a ship with 10,000,000,000 HP in the shop and I wouldn't drop $51 for it. I'd pay $51 for access to the game they've given us for free, or even a small monthly subscription. But I'm not one of those that's taken advantage of for assets over time.

[Dah_Bears268]

 

Perhaps the veterans of the series marginalize / rationalize a little bit differently than a new player. They could put a ship with 10,000,000,000 HP in the shop and I wouldn't drop $51 for it. I'd pay $51 for access to the game they've given us for free, or even a small monthly subscription. But I'm not one of those that's taken advantage of for assets over time.

 

The point of the high tier(T7/T8) premium is:

1. To make a lot of credits(250,000 on average net of repair/muniton cost in this game) per game to sustain the massive repair cost of T9(130-160,000 range)/T10(220-250,000 range) ships.

2. Have fun in captaining unique ships with feature not found in other ships( Forward firing Torpedos on high tier cruisers for Atago, Rapid firing Destroyer guns on Cruisers for Atalanta).

3. Miscellaneous benefits like generating XP you can convert to Free XP with real money or train captains of other ships of the same nation.

 

You can play this game without premium time or premium ships, but the game economy means you run into a stone wall at T8 and won't be able to afford/operate T9+ vessels without spending real money on premium time/ships.

[alex08060]

We should be lucky they didn't introduce premium shells in wows yet. 

[SVOddball]

We should be lucky they didn't introduce premium shells in wows yet. 

 

Shush, man...don't give them reminders...perhaps they'll put that on a back burner and forget about it for a few more months.

[jesus_wept]

 

The point of the high tier(T7/T8) premium is:

1. To make a lot of credits(250,000 on average net of repair/muniton cost in this game) per game to sustain the massive repair cost of T9(130-160,000 range)/T10(220-250,000 range) ships.

2. Have fun in captaining unique ships with feature not found in other ships( Forward firing Torpedos on high tier cruisers for Atago, Rapid firing Destroyer guns on Cruisers for Atalanta).

3. Miscellaneous benefits like generating XP you can convert to Free XP with real money or train captains of other ships of the same nation.

 

You can play this game without premium time or premium ships, but the game economy means you run into a stone wall at T8 and won't be able to afford/operate T9+ vessels without spending real money on premium time/ships.

 

So what you're saying is Wargaming has made a game that if you enjoy it, invest many hours of time in it, get to Tier 9 and 10 and want to continue playing you have to give them money?

Because when you say "won't be able to afford/operate T9+ vessels without spending real money on premium time/ships" that leads me to believe without spending any real money on this game (no premium ships or premium account)

you will not be able to enjoy tier 9 and 10. Question is, if thats the case will Premium Account alone be okay? Would you be spending a lot of time grinding lower tiers just so you can play a few matches in your tier 9s and 10s? You've got me worried about a game im truly falling in love with! haha

[Dah_Bears268]

 

So what you're saying is Wargaming has made a game that if you enjoy it, invest many hours of time in it, get to Tier 9 and 10 and want to continue playing you have to give them money?

Because when you say "won't be able to afford/operate T9+ vessels without spending real money on premium time/ships" that leads me to believe without spending any real money on this game (no premium ships or premium account)

you will not be able to enjoy tier 9 and 10. Question is, if thats the case will Premium Account alone be okay? Would you be spending a lot of time grinding lower tiers just so you can play a few matches in your tier 9s and 10s? You've got me worried about a game im truly falling in love with! haha

That's the way it is. If you don't need to spend money to use T9/T10 then everyone would be playing T9/T10s and nobody will spend any money-> no $$ for developers, the game dies.

From my CBT experience premium time alone is fine for T9, although unlike a premium ship you need to constantly buy time in order to keep up. Making consistent profit  w/premium time in T10 is impossible unless you are a great player who deals 120K+ damage a game.

[alex08060]

We need a tier 8 premium ship as well as a premium account to buy a 20 million credit Montana. 

 

[Dark_Mercy]

I'm not totally against a bit of a resource sink at a competitive level. There's a term they use for consuming players in this model, can't recall it at the moment. But the price point is still way over what I'd justify on just one asset on one title. There's plenty else out there to spend on.

[Flametz]

I'm not totally against a bit of a resource sink at a competitive level. There's a term they use for consuming players in this model, can't recall it at the moment. But the price point is still way over what I'd justify on just one asset on one title. There's plenty else out there to spend on.

 

IIRC it's called a soft paywall/pay-2-progress-faster (you could get to high tiers for free, but it'll take significantly more effort than if you dropped some cash for a prem ship + gold for free exp)

[Submarine_Wahoo]

I'm not totally against a bit of a resource sink at a competitive level. There's a term they use for consuming players in this model, can't recall it at the moment. But the price point is still way over what I'd justify on just one asset on one title. There's plenty else out there to spend on.

 

And that's perfectly acceptable consumer behavior. Pay for what you feel is worth your investment.

[Midnitewolf]

 

You can play this game without premium time or premium ships, but the game economy means you run into a stone wall at T8 and won't be able to afford/operate T9+ vessels without spending real money on premium time/ships.

 

This is not really true.  I can generate between 150-250k per game on my Aoba with premium so figure 100k-175k without premium.  You could grind a ship like this and be able to afford T9+ just fine, however you just have to play this low tier ship about twice as much as a premium ship to do it.

[Dah_Bears268]

 

This is not really true.  I can generate between 150-250k per game on my Aoba with premium so figure 100k-175k without premium.  You could grind a ship like this and be able to afford T9+ just fine, however you just have to play this low tier ship about twice as much as a premium ship to do it.

 

Was talking in the sense of playing T9-T10 vessels exclusively, ofc if you have a credit grinding lower tier vessel things get simpler.

[Triela50]

 

If $10-15 premiums are your thing, take the Murmansk(3000 gold= $14.79, or you buy the $16 package directly from store with a ship slot+ elite captain = cost 325 gold otherwise). Atago is priced high because it is a T8 Premium capable of making considerably more credits per game than Murmansk.

I would honestly recommend the Murmansk over the Atago to new players looking for their first premiums. It's a good solid ship and a pretty good credit earner  

[MADGATO]

OP you have the rigth to disagree with the price in the same way wg have the right to decide on pricing.

WG does not place premium ships in the tech line so we as consumers have the choice to buy or not.

The game is free and has plenty to grind for free.

In my case I got it because i like that ship and i wanted to support the game development.

Regards

[jesus_wept]

You think they'll add the Atago to the premium store? I'd rather buy it when it comes with a free ship slot too

[Captain_Avatar]

The concept of profit by volume is lost on WG

2 sales for $51 or 10 sales for $20 dollars .

lower prices entice people to buy .

Could also be that the high price is to keep them from being spammed .

"shrugs " 

If it's purely a profit motive then the lower price would be optimal . more sales , more money .

 

[IronWolfV]

Looks like a great ship. The price point is a little absurd though. $51 package for a single ship? I'd turn off the game and go buy three to four other games on a Steam sale for that.  Freemium is not a popular model with PC players to begin with. But if you dropped it down to around the $10 - $15 range, you would probably make a sale from me.

 

Cheers on a fantastic game so far though, have been impressed.

 

Go buy a Murmansk then. Want that ship, pay the full price.

[Dark_Mercy]

The concept of profit by volume is lost on WG

2 sales for $51 or 10 sales for $20 dollars .

lower prices entice people to buy .

Could also be that the high price is to keep them from being spammed .

"shrugs " 

If it's purely a profit motive then the lower price would be optimal . more sales , more money .

 

 

This ^.  And anyone that's prone to attacking someone giving feedback about the price point misses the point of a beta test. The company would be just as interested to find the most profitable value as the consumer base.

 

Still can't recall the term I was thinking of, it's the phenomenon when you eat your own consumer base. It's well known among freemium mobile games.

 

 Go buy a Murmansk then. Want that ship, pay the full price. 

 

Not interested in the Murmansk, so that = no sale at all.