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Bogue is easily the worst ship in the game

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Colorado? Furutaka? Ranger?

 

all these "bad ships" are as children before the s***ty Bogue.

 

This ship might be "faster" than langley on paper, but that 16.9 knots comes at a price, even worse acceleration. 

 

Your planes are marginally better, gaining 4 knots in speed and 150 or so HP, which makes absolutely zero difference when a number of your targets double their anti-air in the tier 4 to 5 jump.

 

Your loadouts are terrible. Only the base 1/1/0 loadout has both fighters and torpedo bombers. The fighter load has a puny one squadron of bombers to do damage, and the bomber load has no fighters. Unlike the Zuiho's excellent torpedo bombers, the Bogues bomber load is made up of worthless dive bombers, capable of missing 11/12 bombs on a manual drop at an AFK target.

 

Worst of all, the Bogue has the honor of being the only carrier to not carry a full set of spares, with only 10 spare planes to replace losses from an air wing of 18. A Bogue can be out of planes as early as the second flight. The critical Torpedo Bombers only have 3 replacements; losing 4 TB's in a run means every attack afterwards will be at reduced strength. Sure a Bogue historically carried 28 planes, but when has that ever stopped WG from slapping imaginary planes on IJN carriers? would 36 planes on Bogue really break historical immersion?

 

On a historical side, why is the Bogue even in the USN tech tree at all? The US built them, but the vast majority of Bogues were sold off to the Royal Navy. The backbone of the USN escort carrier fleet is the more capable Casablanca class. As a historical benefit, the Casablanca class is significant for participating in the battle off Samar, this lets Bogue drivers pretend they are roleplaying as Taffy 3 as they are getting run down by Mogamis and Atagos.

 

 

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Welcome to the M3 Lee of WoWS.

 

Don't diss the lee, it's actually really good.

 

Best DPM out of all the tier 4 mediums and usable armor against lower tiers.

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It's arguable, but it's definitely up there.  Other contenders are Phoenix, Myogi, and Aoba.

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Don't diss the lee, it's actually really good.

 

Best DPM out of all the tier 4 mediums and usable armor against lower tiers.

 

All the talk on the WoT forums about it being a sniper, I was horrible playing it that way, and got a top gun and master badge for playing it aggressively.
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Don't diss the lee, it's actually really good.

 

Best DPM out of all the tier 4 mediums and usable armor against lower tiers.

 

Usable armor? My PzIII could :A run circles around it. B. Pen it from the front with the dinky 50mm cannon firing AP.

 

Please...DPM it had, armor, not even close,

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Yep I like the Langley then got to the Bogue the stock set up probly the best setup for it, which mean I pretty much playing a slightly faster Langley . ... LOL:)

 

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You clearly have never played the yuubari

 

Having played both, I consider the Yubari a superior ship.  And that's saying something. Bogue is just BAD. Should of put in the Casablanca instead of the bogue.

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It's arguable, but it's definitely up there.  Other contenders are Phoenix, Myogi, and Aoba.

 

Uh what. None of those are even bad, let alone a contender for worst.

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US carriers are basically crap until tier 8 when you get the Essex. At least compared to their IJN CV counterparts they are. Offense is a joke. Defense is good unless the MM decides to jerk you around and put you into a battle with no opposing CV. Then you're completely useless if you brought your defensive load-out.

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It's arguable, but it's definitely up there.  Other contenders are Phoenix, Myogi, and Aoba.

 

Phoenix bad? Pfft. Probably one of my best preformers right now along with the Kuma.  If you can't play a phoenix, that's operator error, not the ship. Myogi, oh yeah bad, just bad. Aoba, not so much on the bad as just citadel can break by sneezing on it.
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Phoenix bad? Pfft. Probably one of my best preformers right now along with the Kuma.  If you can't play a phoenix, that's operator error, not the ship. Myogi, oh yeah bad, just bad. Aoba, not so much on the bad as just citadel can break by sneezing on it.

 

would trade Yuubari for Phoenix and Kuma.

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would trade Yuubari for Phoenix and Kuma.

 

Have all 3. Don't remember the Phoenix being this fun, but man am I rocking it.  Going to likely keep it once I get some port slots going.  So much fun just bouncing back and forth between the Kuma and Phoenix.

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Bogue is a victim of being forced into a role it was never intended for. It was a Jeep carrier that Wargaming is forcing into a Fleet Carrier. The United States went big when it decided it was time for Aircraft carriers and only later went small. Unfortunately other nations went small then went big. So we get stuck with ships never meant to be used how they are here for balance purposes.

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Bogue is a victim of being forced into a role it was never intended for. It was a Jeep carrier that Wargaming is forcing into a Fleet Carrier. The United States went big when it decided it was time for Aircraft carriers and only later went small. Unfortunately other nations went small then went big. So we get stuck with ships never meant to be used how they are here for balance purposes.

 

Why Bogue and not Casablanca or Commencement Bay. You know, ships that are closer to Zuiho in capability.

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It's arguable, but it's definitely up there.  Other contenders are Phoenix, Myogi, and Aoba.

 

The Aoba's hardly a bad ship. She just suffers from being forced into the same tier as that DPM monstrosity colloquially known as the Cleveland. :P

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Why Bogue and not Casablanca or Commencement Bay. You know, ships that are closer to Zuiho in capability.

 

That is indeed the Million dollar question. I have many times suggested the Bogue replace the Langley and then put in Casablanca or commencement bay as the next one.

 

I suspect they are more worried about filling out the 2nd carrier tree so do not care if one tree starts complete [edited]

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Why Bogue and not Casablanca or Commencement Bay. You know, ships that are closer to Zuiho in capability.

 

Because WG realized they'd messed up with the USN CV line initially, when it was Langley -> Independence -> Ranger -> Saipan  (or something like that).

 

They shoved the Bogue in at T5 to try to make the tech tree line up a little better with historical capabilities, but it still wasn't a good fit.

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Because WG realized they'd messed up with the USN CV line initially, when it was Langley -> Independence -> Ranger -> Saipan  (or something like that).

 

They shoved the Bogue in at T5 to try to make the tech tree line up a little better with historical capabilities, but it still wasn't a good fit.

 

It was Langley > Independence > Saipan > ranger

 

Which actually made sense balance wise, because Independence was a match for Zuiho, or slightly better.

 

Why bogue when Casablanca or Commencement bay would be a much better fit? well, asked before and never answered

 

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It was Langley > Independence > Saipan > ranger

 

Which actually made sense balance wise, because Independence was a match for Zuiho, or slightly better.

 

Why bogue when Casablanca or Commencement bay would be a much better fit? well, asked before and never answered

 

 

Umm commencement bay would be about as bad as the Bogue considering the bay only did about 16 knots herself. Casablanca on the other hand could pull 20.

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I agree the Bogue is a royal pain to grind past.  I just use the default 1/1 configuration on it.

As for the M3 Lee.  I used to love to take that into towns and just poke the turret around corners.  Best corner fighter at the tier as long as you always go to the right.

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Umm commencement bay would be about as bad as the Bogue considering the bay only did about 16 knots herself. Casablanca on the other hand could pull 20.

 

Commencement bay is 19 knot, more than that, the class carried more planes. 40 aircraft carried in game terms isn't unreasonable.

 

Also their AA is very good, 36 bofors and 20 oerlikons, which would make them very resistant to same tier air attacks.

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Commencement bay is 19 knot, more than that, the class carried more planes. 40 aircraft carried in game terms isn't unreasonable.

 

Also their AA is very good, 36 bofors and 20 oerlikons, which would make them very resistant to same tier air attacks.

The 40 planes is the reason why the Bay is likely not in game and the reason the Saipan got pulled out when she did.

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Commencement bay is 19 knot, more than that, the class carried more planes. 40 aircraft carried in game terms isn't unreasonable.

 

Also their AA is very good, 36 bofors and 20 oerlikons, which would make them very resistant to same tier air attacks.

 

Think you hit the point right here -- it would be too good for its tier.  Heck, it'd basically be better than the Independence there.

 

Honestly, I think it just came down to a matter of timing on when the classes were commissioned, and what would make a little more sense to put biplanes on.  We all know that things don't match up, but it's what happens when you have to hammer a square peg (historical ship evolution) into a round hole (game tiering).

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