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USS North Carolina vs HMS Hood

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Okay, so you're putting an unmodernized WW1 battlecruiser against a 1930s battleship? Are you actually thinking about this, or just dribbling whatever comes to your mind?

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Really? A 1920s Battlecruiser against a 1940s Fast Battleship? No question necessary.

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The HMS Hood vs the North Carolina sounds like an unfair match. But I know some great things the Hood has done. The North Carolina is more modern than the Hood, but both can deal some damage, and that's the important thing.

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The HMS Hood vs the North Carolina sounds like an unfair match. But I know some great things the Hood has done. The North Carolina is more modern than the Hood, but both can deal some damage, and that's the important thing.

 

The lightly armoured hood was destroyed within minutes of engaging a modern(for the time) battleship.

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The HMS Hood vs the North Carolina sounds like an unfair match. But I know some great things the Hood has done. The North Carolina is more modern than the Hood, but both can deal some damage, and that's the important thing.

 

The NC has better compartmentalization, better armor, better guns, better FCS, and a bigger immunity zone against the Hood's guns. All the Hood has is speed. It doesn't just sound like an unfair match up, it is an unfair matchup. 

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The Hood had minimal deck armor.  That's how Bismarck was able to disintegrate it with its third salvo.  It's a no contest, NC will be able to get hits with plunging fire at long range.

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There's no contest simply because Hood was quite obsolete by the time North Carolina came out. Maybe with the refit planned for her it would be a somewhat fair match but even then it's unlikely(and North Carolina wasn't perfect).

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North Carolina hands down. It's no contest.

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The North Carolina is an actual battleship.

 

The Hood is a Cruiser someone ductaped 15" guns onto.

The NC is just as fast, actually has this thing called armor, and wasn't crewed by idiots that thought that the magazine store was an inconvenience rather than a safety issue. (putting all your powder and ammo inside your turrets is bad mmmkay?)

 

Oh and the Carolina has 16" guns.

We already saw how bad the Hood got owned, by 15" guns. Go up to 16", and whatever "armor" the hood has is completely meaningless.

 

The Carolina was built to stand up to her own shells.

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The Carolina was built to stand up to her own shells.

 

That's not true. North Carolina was originally designed with 14" guns and upgunned to 16" guns when the London Treaty failed(only KGV respected that treaty).

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Better would be NC vs Bismark I would still give the edge to NC 

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That's not true. North Carolina was originally designed with 14" guns and upgunned to 16" guns when the London Treaty failed(only KGV respected that treaty).

 

From my understanding the NC also received armor upgrades with the addition of 16" guns.

In any case the NC's armor is vastly better than the Cruiser Hood's.

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The North Carolina is an actual battleship.

 

The Hood is a Cruiser someone ductaped 15" guns onto.

The NC is just as fast, actually has this thing called armor, and wasn't crewed by idiots that thought that the magazine store was an inconvenience rather than a safety issue. (putting all your powder and ammo inside your turrets is bad mmmkay?)

 

Oh and the Carolina has 16" guns.

We already saw how bad the Hood got owned, by 15" guns. Go up to 16", and whatever "armor" the hood has is completely meaningless.

 

The Carolina was built to stand up to her own shells.

 

I dont know of many cruisers with a 12 inch belt.

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What is this?  Battlecruiser vs battleship?  It's not even a proper comparison.  They're not even of the same generation.

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Better would be NC vs Bismark I would still give the edge to NC 

 

big time. The Bismarks big weakness is its deck armor.

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General rule of thumb is that battlecruisers shouldn't get into fights with battleships or even other battlecruisers, they just don't have the sort of protection needed, just take a look at Jutland ( albeit that was made notably worse by British ammo handling practices ).

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General rule of thumb is that battlecruisers shouldn't get into fights with battleships or even other battlecruisers, they just don't have the sort of protection needed, just take a look at Jutland ( albeit that was made notably worse by British ammo handling practices ).

 

Well where the textbook was followed, the British battlecruisers did fine.

Lion and Tiger are the best examples.

Where they weren't followed, there were some unfortunate consequences.

 

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The main issue is, the two ships are unfairly matched, the Hood is a elderly ship that cannot stand up to a modernized warship like the NC. 

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Well where the textbook was followed, the British battlecruisers did fine.

Lion and Tiger are the best examples.

Where they weren't followed, there were some unfortunate consequences.

 

 

vs the battleships or with regards to their ammunition handling?

 

Certainly when they run their ships by the book they don't have the *suddenly detonates* issues but while that saves the ship from complete destruction those hits would have at the very least limited combat ability and it wouldn't take much more of that to take it out of the fight. If you compare that to how well the Queen E class stood up to the same fire I think the case for keeping battlecruisers away from capital ship fights like that is pretty clear.

 

Personally I view the best usefulness of a battlecruiser as WWII and carrier warfare looms is as a capital class carrier escort capable of fending off any cruiser with battleship class guns ( though not the full size and number of a modern battleship ) but retaining the speed to keep pace with carriers. The low end would be a slightly beefed up Deutschland class capable of reaching the 30kt you usually see in carriers the high end being a Renown class, though in both cases you'd want to improve the AA suite.

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What do you think will win a race a Canoe or a Speed Boat?

 

Depends on whether the race is at a lake or on whitewater rapids.  

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big time. The Bismarks big weakness is its deck armor.

 

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BismarCk! 

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