It's time to go back the beginning of ver 3.1 for CVs

[beefporklamp]

 

Does the WG change the playing feeling for CV players? NO

 

What does they do?

 

They increase spread the track of torpedos--LOL

 

They increase spread of the Bombers--LOL

 

They decrease the turning circle radius of all ships--LOL

 

And Now, they decrease the range of torpedos for CVs.

 

Ah,~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Good Job WG! You did very very very very well.

 

[Memono]

at lease an IJN CV can't easily one shot a BB anymore.

[carvine1]

Actually, I think the new torps for IJN actually arm alot faster than the USN torps. I can actually drop the torps even closer than ever before >.<

[csQuiksilver]

 

Does the WG change the playing feeling for CV players? NO

 

What does they do?

 

They increase spread the track of torpedos--LOL

 

They increase spread of the Bombers--LOL

 

They decrease the turning circle radius of all ships--LOL

 

And Now, they decrease the range of torpedos for CVs.

 

Ah,~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Good Job WG! You did very very very very well.

 

 

What a great video.

 

I think it really shows the problem with the new  CVs. Personally i'm all about CVs. They are not as  much action as any other class, but they keep you on the edge of your seat when you are trying to  strike with your TBs.

 

I really didn't like the All or nothing way you have to build your CVs now. All Air or All Bomers.  Talk about boring. CVs used to be fun to play. And hard to get good at.

 

Now  they are gimped so badly, your one or two chances  at  hitting a ship each game are worthless. ... or at least have a high chance of being worthless

[beefporklamp]

 

What a great video.

 

I think it really shows the problem with the new  CVs. Personally i'm all about CVs. They are not as  much action as any other class, but they keep you on the edge of your seat when you are trying to  strike with your TBs.

 

I really didn't like the All or nothing way you have to build your CVs now. All Air or All Bomers.  Talk about boring. CVs used to be fun to play. And hard to get good at.

 

Now  they are gimped so badly, your one or two chances  at  hitting a ship each game are worthless. ... or at least have a high chance of being worthless

 

Strongly agree. Flexibility is the key point to CV. CVs cannot attack as rapid as other types of ships, but they have more time to overlook the whole battle field. Therefore, they can think about stragety to help teamate to win a game rather than load out plane fight or destory without thinking. That is the key point to CV and That is the Fun for players. we are not zombine and machine. Why does the WG force players to be boring. Wait a long CD time and receive some bad saying such as "f@uck CV".

 

By the way, A interesting thing is whaever the weak that CVs are, freshnew players are complaining "CV is too OP". I guess they just don't want to dodge torpedos because that stops their fun of firing guns

[dmccabe]

Looking forward to trying this

[Kurt_Lehane]

preface: I do not and will never play carriers or their equal in any game because of the style, that said some ijn BB players do play like WoT arty.

 

 

 

that said carriers are [edited], I mean really you can say people complain about everything but the amount of carrier complaints outnumbers all the rest. the common response is "lulz turn noob" if your a legitimate carrier player you know damn well how to counter a ship trying hard to avoid torps. manual drop so they have no reaction time, X-V drop so turning does no good, etc.

then their is the safety of carriers, troll away with your cloaking device on attacking players that have no idea where you are and no way to trade fire with you and are hell and gone out of range.

DD's have to risk themselves and get within gun range to fire torps, and even then you have a good idea of when, where and how they fired and can have chances to fire back. or try to use what land there is as cover, or sit in open water so they have to come at you.

Cruisers are pretty well balanced all around.

BB's are only really annoying on the stupid open ocean map where other classes have no cover and are outranged.

 

but the biggest problem with carriers is still the lack of being able to fight back, you have to just dodge and weave and pray the opposing carrier player is brain dead and does not know how to X-V drop or manual drop. watch half your health to all of it disappear within the first few minutes of the match before anyone has lit anything. then wait for the carrier to do it all over again from the back of the map under his cloaking device. all the while being able to do nothing about it. . .such fun, much skill, very wow. clickers going to click.

 

every time a carrier player cries is a good time.

[csQuiksilver]

preface: I do not and will never play carriers or their equal in any game because of the style, that said some ijn BB players do play like WoT arty.

 

 

 

that said carriers are [edited], I mean really you can say people complain about everything but the amount of carrier complaints outnumbers all the rest. the common response is "lulz turn noob" if your a legitimate carrier player you know damn well how to counter a ship trying hard to avoid torps. manual drop so they have no reaction time, X-V drop so turning does no good, etc.

then their is the safety of carriers, troll away with your cloaking device on attacking players that have no idea where you are and no way to trade fire with you and are hell and gone out of range.

DD's have to risk themselves and get within gun range to fire torps, and even then you have a good idea of when, where and how they fired and can have chances to fire back. or try to use what land there is as cover, or sit in open water so they have to come at you.

Cruisers are pretty well balanced all around.

BB's are only really annoying on the stupid open ocean map where other classes have no cover and are outranged.

 

 

but the biggest problem with carriers is still the lack of being able to fight back, you have to just dodge and weave and pray the opposing carrier player is brain dead and does not know how to X-V drop or manual drop. watch half your health to all of it disappear within the first few minutes of the match before anyone has lit anything. then wait for the carrier to do it all over again from the back of the map under his cloaking device. all the while being able to do nothing about it. . .such fun, much skill, very wow. clickers going to click.

 

 

every time a carrier player cries is a good time.

 

 

You never play CVs... so you and I both know you have no idea what you're talking about. You admit not playing them... yet you know someone brain dead can use them?

 

Please realize the  only time I can get a great ALL torp hit is when there is a brain dead BB. Hitting cruisers or DDs is next to impossible if either of them realize torps are coming within the last few seconds before they get dropped.

 

BBs on the other hand are the ships that CVs are supposed to attack. BBs can see our planes  comes from 8K away. This is  more then enough time  to steer away from the TBs... also, BB AAs are ruthless if we stay around them for longer than 20 seconds. If you are turning your ship, we have to circle you, the whole time your AA is taking out our planes.

 

Don't you realize that taking out our planes IS taking out the CV. The CV is nothing without its planes....NOTHING! Depending on the CV, we only have 2-3 replacement squadrons. If you maneuver correctly,  not  only will you cut our incoming planes in half before we can launch our torps or bombs, but you will also wipe out the whole squadron before it can fly away.

 

Congratulations, you've just damaged the CV by 1/3 or 1/4 by taking out those planes... the planes are our true HP... taking out the mother ship is just quick way to get rid of all the planes at once.

 

Sorry there is not a neat little icon or health bar you can watch go down, but the truth of the matter is our planes are our healthbar.

[BKKnightRider]

That is excellent and pretty spot on.  I am working my way up all the tech trees and currently have everything at either L5 or L6.  The CVs are the most frustrating, most inconsistent results wise, and often the least fun to play for reasons I describe in another thread.  They are also the only class where another player's poor tactics can get you killed.  I find it amazing how often the other CV skipper on my side allows returning strike squadrons to make a beeline right back to our location with an enemy fighter squadron in hot pursuit to very conveniently reveal to the other side exactly where we are.  Whenever I see enemy ships or fighters that can track my returning strike squadrons I send them the wrong direction until it is safe to give them the recall order.

[Kurt_Lehane]

csQuicksilver: You never play CVs... so you and I both know you have no idea what you're talking about.

 

 

 

not true, not anymore. in this day and age its easy to find various forms of information, examples, explanations, replays, etc. etc. for a good example you need look no further then the first post in this thread. these days you don't have to buy a game or play it to see what the gameplay is like. I have no doubt everyone can relate to watching gameplay of a game and deciding they didn't like it and it was not for them. plus I do come from world of tanks so I would never associate with this games "arty". im not bad at that style of gameplay by any means, in fact im probably pretty good at it. does not change the fact that I don't find it fun to play as or against, and very little to change the public opinion of these gameplay types as "cowardly clickers".

 

we will see what wargaming does.

 

 

[csQuiksilver]

csQuicksilver: You never play CVs... so you and I both know you have no idea what you're talking about.

 

 

 

not true, not anymore. in this day and age its easy to find various forms of information, examples, explanations, replays, etc. etc. for a good example you need look no further then the first post in this thread. these days you don't have to buy a game or play it to see what the gameplay is like. I have no doubt everyone can relate to watching gameplay of a game and deciding they didn't like it and it was not for them. plus I do come from world of tanks so I would never associate with this games "arty". im not bad at that style of gameplay by any means, in fact im probably pretty good at it. does not change the fact that I don't find it fun to play as or against, and very little to change the public opinion of these gameplay types as "cowardly clickers".

 

 

we will see what wargaming does.

 

 

 

 

 

Please, I have watched basketball and football all  my life, but watching someone play it and doing it yourself are two completely different things.

 

edit: how many times have you seen Micheal Jorden or Coby make something look easy... just cause it looks easy doesn't  mean it is.

[Kurt_Lehane]

 

Please, I have watched basketball and football all  my life, but watching someone play it and doing it yourself are two completely different things.

 

edit: how many times have you seen Micheal Jorden or Coby make something look easy... just cause it looks easy doesn't  mean it is.

 

 

 

extreme example in an effort to discredit a generally accepted idea, way to go.

 

 

so your example refutes the claim that by watching and researching we cannot be better prepared to do something eh? that's a stupid argument. people train and research tasks they have yet to do all the time, from things everyone does like school and college for various jobs and careers to things like military and space simulators.

 

 

and you also did nothing to argue that even if you don't play a sport you could tell if something was imbalanced or broken. you don't play basketball but if a player had a basketball shooting cannon they could fire from across the map you might be able to figure out something is a little wrong.

 

 

 

 

[beefporklamp]

 

Please, I have watched basketball and football all  my life, but watching someone play it and doing it yourself are two completely different things.

 

edit: how many times have you seen Micheal Jorden or Coby make something look easy... just cause it looks easy doesn't  mean it is.

 

let me summrize this guy's saying

 

I don't play CV, because it is not rational in this game. I saw other people's saying and playing, and they did complain CV, too. So I agree with them.

 

Over

 

Thousands of years ago, A famous Chinese poet, Sushi, said if people really want to know a thing, they need go there and do by themselve at least one time.

[csQuiksilver]

 

 

 

extreme example in an effort to discredit a generally accepted idea, way to go.

 

 

so your example refutes the claim that by watching and researching we cannot be better prepared to do something eh? that's a stupid argument. people train and research tasks they have yet to do all the time, from things everyone does like school and college for various jobs and careers to things like military and space simulators.

 

 

and you also did nothing to argue that even if you don't play a sport you could tell if something was imbalanced or broken. you don't play basketball but if a player had a basketball shooting cannon they could fire from across the map you might be able to figure out something is a little wrong.

 

 

 

 

 

Stop hijacking this thread with your tit for tat. "research and study" means nothing to actual experience. One day when you enter the  work force (you know real  life) you will understand that fact.

 

The OP has not only researched but also experienced more than you ever will about CVs. Did you even watch his half an hour video? which he created and produced from  his own experience in the game?

 

Did you create some scientific poll to conclude the "generally accepted" idea about CVs? no you didn't.

 

You have no idea what you're talking about, and you are throwing your crap ideas into a thread from a very thought out and explained theory about a very complicated system.

 

Maybe you should bring up a point or a counter argument from the video, rather than venting about one or two games you lost  because of your own ignorance of CVs.

 

 

[Numbah18]

csQuicksilver: You never play CVs... so you and I both know you have no idea what you're talking about.

 

 

 

not true, not anymore. in this day and age its easy to find various forms of information, examples, explanations, replays, etc. etc. for a good example you need look no further then the first post in this thread. these days you don't have to buy a game or play it to see what the gameplay is like. I have no doubt everyone can relate to watching gameplay of a game and deciding they didn't like it and it was not for them. plus I do come from world of tanks so I would never associate with this games "arty". im not bad at that style of gameplay by any means, in fact im probably pretty good at it. does not change the fact that I don't find it fun to play as or against, and very little to change the public opinion of these gameplay types as "cowardly clickers".

 

 

we will see what wargaming does.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

extreme example in an effort to discredit a generally accepted idea, way to go.

 

 

so your example refutes the claim that by watching and researching we cannot be better prepared to do something eh? that's a stupid argument. people train and research tasks they have yet to do all the time, from things everyone does like school and college for various jobs and careers to things like military and space simulators.

 

 

and you also did nothing to argue that even if you don't play a sport you could tell if something was imbalanced or broken. you don't play basketball but if a player had a basketball shooting cannon they could fire from across the map you might be able to figure out something is a little wrong.

 

 

 

 

 

Wow all his post are saying CV are OP. Good Job, also to the point of watching videos and then deciding something is broke is foolish. You can't simply say I watched someone beat Super Metriod in 3 hours a lot of times so I should be able to do it to. Knowledge does not mean skill it's just a way to know how to do something. doesn't mean you can. Also about people go to school and yes this could be called training but if all they did was read or watch how it's done they aren't going to be able to put it into practice. After all when is the last time you read an Algebra book and could easily do the problems? Even days or weeks later?