USS Pensacola turrets in WOWS is inaccurate

[Mr_Alex]

I was wondering did WG check the Pensacola turrets, apparently turrets number 2 and 3 are in fact triple 8"

 

[Khovax]

I was wondering did WG check the Pensacola turrets, apparently turrets number 2 and 3 are in fact triple 8"

 

 

Im guessing you just got it or are looking at it in the techtree...

 

the upgraded hull adds the triple 8s 

[BnaditCorps]

 

Im guessing you just got it or are looking at it in the techtree...

 

the upgraded hull adds the triple 8s 

 

yea that is the only way

[Sk8er4LifeMD]

It has the triple turret. Looks absolutely retarded in my arrogant opinion when you see 2 in one and 3  in the other but that's just me...

[stucarius]

It was a mid war upgrade to the class.

[Mizzerys_Fate]

Upgrade your hull, like I did, and bingo trips.

[crzyhawk]

It was a mid war upgrade to the class.

 

No, the Pensacola class /never/ carried only 8 guns.  They were completed as 10 gun ships.

 

That said, I still think the Pensacola should be replaced by Northampton and moved to T6 while bumping Cleveland to T7.  If necessary, add a Juneau class light cruiser at T6 to bridge the gap between Omaha and Cleveland (Juneau was an Atlanta minus the two wing turrets, and torpedo tubes essentially).

 

The numbers show that the Pensacola, as implemented is completely outclassed in every measurable statistic, save AA.

[NightHawkS117]

 

No, the Pensacola class /never/ carried only 8 guns.  They were completed as 10 gun ships.

 

That said, I still think the Pensacola should be replaced by Northampton and moved to T6 while bumping Cleveland to T7.  If necessary, add a Juneau class light cruiser at T6 to bridge the gap between Omaha and Cleveland (Juneau was an Atlanta minus the two wing turrets, and torpedo tubes essentially).

 

The numbers show that the Pensacola, as implemented is completely outclassed in every measurable statistic, save AA.

No. there was not a Juneau class cruiser. Juneau was an Atlanta class cruiser... There were no differences between the 2.  and the Atlanta is already in game.

[Fuchsy]

No. there was not a Juneau class cruiser. Juneau was an Atlanta class cruiser... There were no differences between the 2.  and the Atlanta is already in game.

Yes there are, Juneau was a Subclass of Atlanta(modified).

Juneau removed four of Atlanta's 5in Guns, so basically the two aft turrets that sit parallel to eachother.

And added a much heavier secondary AA Armament, like...much much heavier emphasis on that.

[crzyhawk]

No. there was not a Juneau class cruiser. Juneau was an Atlanta class cruiser... There were no differences between the 2.  and the Atlanta is already in game.

 

Wrong.  There /was/ a Juneau class cruiser.  They were highly modified versions of the Atlanta design.  CL-119.  There was also an Atlanta class Juneau, completely different ship.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juneau-class_cruiser

[NightHawkS117]

Huh. I stand corrected. Never heard of the ship class before. 

[Fuchsy]

Huh. I stand corrected. Never heard of the ship class before. 

IMO, not a lot of people know of Subclasses.

Because there's rarely any Subclasses in the first place.

[crzyhawk]

Huh. I stand corrected. Never heard of the ship class before. 

 

They didn't do much, I think only one of them was still around for the Korean war 6 years later.  The reduced armament might allow it to fit into the tech tree well at a lower level for the purposes of creating a CL line.

[Khovax]

No. there was not a Juneau class cruiser. Juneau was an Atlanta class cruiser... There were no differences between the 2.  and the Atlanta is already in game.

 

The Juneau class came about when they discovered the Atlantas were very unstable platforms so they removed turrets and superstructure to try and make them less top heavy

[Scotty_SE]

Yeah, the pensacola is at best a tier 6.5 ship. Wont need much of a nerf to be dropped a tier other than AA.

 

Having the Atlanta and Cleveland at tier 7 would be weird though.

[crzyhawk]

Yeah, the pensacola is at best a tier 6.5 ship. Wont need much of a nerf to be dropped a tier other than AA.

 

Having the Atlanta and Cleveland at tier 7 would be weird though.

 

Given the fact that the P'cola had poo for AA anyways, it's a nerf that should probably happen.  It offends me that the Cleveland is rated even close to the treaty tinclads in AA; I mean they (the Clevelands) only had double the 5" broadside with greater range, ROF, superior arcs of fire and more medium and light AA.

[Fuchsy]

 

The Juneau class came about when they discovered the Atlantas were very unstable platforms so they removed turrets and superstructure to try and make them less top heavy

That's what happens when you put in Wing Turrets.

>.>

[Red_Raven_168]

Having the Atlanta and Cleveland at tier 7 would be weird though.

 

what tier is atlanta in your game??

[mr3awsome]

It has the triple turret. Looks absolutely retarded in my arrogant opinion when you see 2 in one and 3  in the other but that's just me...

 

The triple is above the twin to allow for a narrower hull, to save displacement.

Welcome to the world of trying to make a powerful 8" cruiser within 10,000t.

 

In regards to Pensacola's tier placement, I have no problem with it.  When Cleveland gets moved up (to tier 8, preferably), then we'll see.

[crzyhawk]

 

The triple is above the twin to allow for a narrower hull, to save displacement.

Welcome to the world of trying to make a powerful 8" cruiser within 10,000t.

 

In regards to Pensacola's tier placement, I have no problem with it.  When Cleveland gets moved up (to tier 8, preferably), then we'll see.

 

Then Myoko has to be nerfed heavily.  Right now, it's no contest between the two.  P'Cola is FAR and AWAY closer to the Aoba in power than it is the Myoko sharing T7.

[mr3awsome]

 

Then Myoko has to be nerfed heavily.  Right now, it's no contest between the two.  P'Cola is FAR and AWAY closer to the Aoba in power than it is the Myoko sharing T7.

 

Or, you could have as built Myoukou as tier 7 and rebuilt Myoukou as tier 8.

As built you get the same guns as Furutaka, no torpedoes, and less AA.

[crzyhawk]

An as built Myoko is probably a better matchup.  What about Takao or Mogami though?

 

Honestly, the Pensacola really shouldn't be part of the tech tree.  It's an outlier, probably best served as a premium.  It's only claim to fame really, is that it was the progenitor of the American CA's, but even the USN felt they were unacceptable before they were finished being built.  The Northamptons serve as a much better "starting point" so to speak as you can see their characteristics move forward with the rest of the CAs.

 

A better American tech tree is T6= Northampton, T7 New Orleans, T8 Wichita, T9, Balto, t10 DM.  You can watch the American design grow into the Des Moines in a way that makes logical sense that starts off with the 9 gun battery (without having the oddball 10 in the rotation skewing things).  The design naturally morphs into the NO, with the compact, but still split deck design with midships cats.  That grows into the Wichita, where they finally got the flush deck, armor scheme and triple turrets (rather than gunhouses), which grows into the Baltimore.

 

If you're not comfortable with dropping the NO to T7, you can make the Wichita a t9 premium (close to the Balto, but slightly less powerful)  At t7, you can put the Portland, essentially an evolved Northampton.  More armor, more hps, similar guns it's a logical growth from the Northampton.  Give it RPC for faster turret turning speed, or slightly bump the ROF and it's a nice step between the Northampton and the NO.

 

Pensacola, as most odd ducks, should be a premium.  Her odd weapons layout and 10 guns make her perfect at a t7 premium.  She should be slightly worse than the Portland, slightly better than Northampton (even though the USN considered the Northamptons superior to the Pensacolas) and not really connected to the development of the line.  The current anticipated CA progression of 9 guns -> 10 guns -> back to 9 guns is just awkward.  Furthermore, it has /no/ impact on the IJN lines, as a Portland can be balanced to be a more natural adversary to the Myoko, especially if you use your idea of the original 200mm guns.

[mr3awsome]

Its putting 9 8" gun cruisers at tier 6 that I diasagree with.

The only one I would consider putting there is Kirov (because it sucks).

 

[Guest]

 

Im guessing you just got it or are looking at it in the techtree...

 

the upgraded hull adds the triple 8s 

 

Indeed, once you upgrade the hull, you see the triples. 

[NightHawkS117]

 

Then Myoko has to be nerfed heavily.  Right now, it's no contest between the two.  P'Cola is FAR and AWAY closer to the Aoba in power than it is the Myoko sharing T7.

 

Really? Myoko is a weak ship. Sorry but I will take on a Myoko in a Pensacola any day and win 90% of the time. Biggest threat is the torpedoes, and those arent hard to avoid.