Katori and Erie Class

[Skygunner]

So in the recent round of Dev answers (we love you KGB) the IJN Katori and USS Erie were announced as the Tier 1 ship for our two starting nations.  At first I was rather suprised thinking that the the lower tier ships would have been older, or even smaller, things that aren't even destroyers, such as Destroyer Escorts or even river Gunboats....but here we are.  I'm not going to say they are bad choices, quite the opposite; I like both ships and will try to rationalize their logic.

 

First we'll start off with the IJN Katori.

 

 

This is classed as a light cruiser which sounds quite large for a Tier 1,  however it is a little missleading. Unlike most like cruisers, combat was this ships secondary role, primary role was that of a Training ship.  As a training ship,  it was somewhat underarmed, slowe and considerably less armour and on the proper cruiser of the same displacement.  That being said the class will have a few advantages as a training ship.  The largest of which is a proper aircraft catapulat.  Though rare on destroyers,  nearly all cruisers and battleships carried catapualts,  ergo a training ship would need a catapualt to train sailors to use one.   The ship also has a wide variety of rather standard weapons to allow for sailors going to most any ship to train on her.  

 

It's main armament is Dual Purpose and it has a 2 secondary DP guns which will most likely be controlled by AI,  and a small number of light AA guns.  4 torpedo tubes and an aircraft catapualt means that this ship wont be completely boned out of tier 1.  Torpedos are devastating to any ship, her aircraft will be able to scout,  and the more anti-aircraft fire you can contribute to your team the better (most likely, yay speculation).

 

Compared to proper cruisers and destroyes, the Katori class as a tier 1 does make a lot of sense.

 

 

For the United States we're looking at the Erie Class

 

 

Visually much mor eimpressive ships, the Eries were a unique design, ment to explot a hole in the London Naval treaty.  The treaty limited warships of the major types (cruisers, battleships, etc) however there was no limit on Sloops under 2000t.  So the USN made these to be under 2000t during peacetime operations, but have the ability to be uparmoured and stand in for a frontline ship when war broke out.  As such they are a very akward design.

 

It has a decent amount of armouring, however neither ship in the class ever recieved their addional armour.  In order to save weight a catapualt was never fitted, but she carried a derrick for lowering its aircraft into the water and hoisting it back aboard. Speed was 20knots, a bit slow for battlefleet operations, but not too slow to be useless, and its guns were 152mm single mounts, however due to space and weight their barrels had limited elevation.

 

Faster than the Katori's and much better armoured.  They may, or may not be able to operate their aircraft we just don't know. (but I'm gonna ask!)  Theri main armament is better suited for fighting ships and they carry a large number (16) of small anti-aircraft weapons, however no torpedoes

 

Overall the ships are nicely balanced to each other, both can play cat to the others mouse,  both can provide decent (as far as wel know) anti aircraft fire when they are thown into Tier II +  matches.  Katori can absorb more Damage, but Erie takes hits better.  All in all good Tier 1's.  In a bit I'll post some speculation on what the other Tier 1's will be based off of these 2.

[Vergil118]

Honestly the biggest advantage to having these ships as Tier 1s is that they have a little bit of everything that players will encounter later on a larger scale - multiple turrets, torpedo tubes, and scout aircraft, though on a relatively slow platform (~20ish knots). Personally I think these are some pretty good choices.

[SimulationX]

the Eries reminds me of the Flower class corvetts (which I wish were in game btw, for no other reason than to re-enact "the Cruel Sea")

[Skygunner]

Vergil118, on 21 August 2012 - 11:34 PM, said:

Honestly the biggest advantage to having these ships as Tier 1s is that they have a little bit of everything that players will encounter later on a larger scale - multiple turrets, torpedo tubes, and scout aircraft, though on a relatively slow platform (~20ish knots). Personally I think these are some pretty good choices.

Hopefully Erie will be able to use her aircraft,  if so then that will allow precident for so many other ships that had to rely on the ocean for their aircrafts landing and launching needs.  Seaplanes are such useful things,  though I understand how they may be a little complicated to work.

SimulationX, on 22 August 2012 - 12:46 AM, said:

the Eries reminds me of the Flower class corvetts (which I wish were in game btw, for no other reason than to re-enact "the Cruel Sea")

Flowers are such cute little things, can't think of how they would have a place in a battle fleet though.   Just looking at the two tier 1's,  that sets the standard for what warships will be like,  unfortunatly for the Flower Class,  they just aren't cut out.   Both the Katori class and Erie class would probably be able to take on multiple flower Class and survive.



I would love to float around on one of these mini ships,  plus I'm sure the Canadian population would love some representatoin for the RCN,  but without submarines in game, they simply lack the firepower for direct surface combat,  or for auxiliary anti-aircraft.  A role which I feel will actually be in game, ships that are better at shooting aircraft than they are at shooting ships........oh well, who knows what the devs will do.

[Ariecho]

Can they be classified as gunboats?

[Skygunner]

Ariecho, on 22 August 2012 - 03:41 AM, said:

Can they be classified as gunboats?

I wouldn't consdier them one.  Historically they are classed as "Corvettes",  gunboats are typically well...boats that are equipped with pretty much guns and use that as their primary form of attack.  The Flowers guns were for shooting at submarines that they encounted (or forced) to the surface,  their primary weapon is the Depth Charge.  This is why they are so slow as well,  submarines of the era rarely could exceed 16knots,  submerged or surfaced,  and the merchant ships they were escorting typically ran at even lower speeds.

Here is the IJN Seta, a rather typicall gunboat.



By this time gunboats were almost exclusivly for river operations as it allowed for large caliber guns to be carried far inland with relative ease.  (Think world of tanks and 127mm piece of artillery).  The Eries were only made so large because they exploited a loop hole in a treaty, ergo allowing the US to have more ships when there were limits on them.  Again, large gunboats were uncommon becuase they were uni-taskers; only good for 1 thing, shooting stuff.   Destoyers could shoot stuff, go faster and torpedo.

[RMS_Gigantic]

It's funny how when you consider the millimeter calibers of these two ships' guns, our Tier I vessels in WoWs will be sporting main guns that would rank as Tier X in WoT!

[killernat]

i like it im just curious how much influency will come out of navy field's game mecanics

[Vergil118]

killernat, on 22 August 2012 - 07:13 AM, said:

i like it im just curious how much influency will come out of navy field's game mecanics

Virtually none according to KGB.

[JeeWeeJ]

RMS_Gigantic, on 22 August 2012 - 07:08 AM, said:

It's funny how when you consider the millimeter calibers of these two ships' guns, our Tier I vessels in WoWs will be sporting main guns that would rank as Tier X in WoT!

Welcome to the world of Naval guns! :lol:
"Oh, so you think your tier 10 152mm gun is big? Wait, let me get my tier 5 16" gun!"

[Charle_mang21]

to balance everything out do you think the devs might "forget" that the katori can launch torpedoes? or will they just add torpedoes to the erie?

[Skygunner]

Charle_mang21, on 24 August 2012 - 04:28 PM, said:

to balance everything out do you think the devs might "forget" that the katori can launch torpedoes? or will they just add torpedoes to the erie?

Consider asking the Devs in the Q&A thread found here.
http://forum.worldof...developer-qa-2/

I doubt they will have to do such a  thing, the ships balance in other ways and torpedoes are onyl one.   Katori for instance lacks substancial armour,  is slower, and has slighly  lighter guns.  Erie is armoured, faster, and her guns are stronger.  Let's also not forget that torpedoes are going to take a long time to reload so if Katori misses her target she'd be rather easy to attack.

[Charle_mang21]

Skygunner, on 24 August 2012 - 04:43 PM, said:

Consider asking the Devs in the Q&A thread found here.
http://forum-na.worl...developer-qa-2/

I doubt they will have to do such a  thing, the ships balance in other ways and torpedoes are onyl one.   Katori for instance lacks substancial armour,  is slower, and has slighly  lighter guns.  Erie is armoured, faster, and her guns are stronger.  Let's also not forget that torpedoes are going to take a long time to reload so if Katori misses her target she'd be rather easy to attack.

Thanks for the link! although from what I see about the Q&A, I will probably just get "we arent ready to discuss balancing yet" But the info gleaned from this is worth a +1

[Jinxed_Katajainen]

For a second, I thought it was this... then I thought to myself 'Nah.. Battleship can't be a Tier 1, even if it is a pre-Dreadnaught

 

http://en.wikipedia....lass_battleship

[Dominatus]

That may be the tier 2 BB, but probably not. Now, wonder what the KM and RN tier 1s will be.

[SailorDeadpool1XPOIXKita]

So in the recent round of Dev answers (we love you KGB) the IJN Katori and USS Erie were announced as the Tier 1 ship for our two starting nations.  At first I was rather suprised thinking that the the lower tier ships would have been older, or even smaller, things that aren't even destroyers, such as Destroyer Escorts or even river Gunboats....but here we are.  I'm not going to say they are bad choices, quite the opposite; I like both ships and will try to rationalize their logic.

 

First we'll start off with the IJN Katori.

 

 

This is classed as a light cruiser which sounds quite large for a Tier 1,  however it is a little missleading. Unlike most like cruisers, combat was this ships secondary role, primary role was that of a Training ship.  As a training ship,  it was somewhat underarmed, slowe and considerably less armour and on the proper cruiser of the same displacement.  That being said the class will have a few advantages as a training ship.  The largest of which is a proper aircraft catapulat.  Though rare on destroyers,  nearly all cruisers and battleships carried catapualts,  ergo a training ship would need a catapualt to train sailors to use one.   The ship also has a wide variety of rather standard weapons to allow for sailors going to most any ship to train on her.  

 

It's main armament is Dual Purpose and it has a 2 secondary DP guns which will most likely be controlled by AI,  and a small number of light AA guns.  4 torpedo tubes and an aircraft catapualt means that this ship wont be completely boned out of tier 1.  Torpedos are devastating to any ship, her aircraft will be able to scout,  and the more anti-aircraft fire you can contribute to your team the better (most likely, yay speculation).

 

Compared to proper cruisers and destroyes, the Katori class as a tier 1 does make a lot of sense.

 

 

For the United States we're looking at the Erie Class

 

 

Visually much mor eimpressive ships, the Eries were a unique design, ment to explot a hole in the London Naval treaty.  The treaty limited warships of the major types (cruisers, battleships, etc) however there was no limit on Sloops under 2000t.  So the USN made these to be under 2000t during peacetime operations, but have the ability to be uparmoured and stand in for a frontline ship when war broke out.  As such they are a very akward design.

 

It has a decent amount of armouring, however neither ship in the class ever recieved their addional armour.  In order to save weight a catapualt was never fitted, but she carried a derrick for lowering its aircraft into the water and hoisting it back aboard. Speed was 20knots, a bit slow for battlefleet operations, but not too slow to be useless, and its guns were 152mm single mounts, however due to space and weight their barrels had limited elevation.

 

Faster than the Katori's and much better armoured.  They may, or may not be able to operate their aircraft we just don't know. (but I'm gonna ask!)  Theri main armament is better suited for fighting ships and they carry a large number (16) of small anti-aircraft weapons, however no torpedoes

 

Overall the ships are nicely balanced to each other, both can play cat to the others mouse,  both can provide decent (as far as wel know) anti aircraft fire when they are thown into Tier II +  matches.  Katori can absorb more Damage, but Erie takes hits better.  All in all good Tier 1's.  In a bit I'll post some speculation on what the other Tier 1's will be based off of these 2.

 

looking back wounder if we could get some new tier 1 ship... But because some these tier 1 ships have better aa guns on them or have a new class tree line like gunship tree tier wise....

[crzyhawk]

Holy mother of necros...this post is over three years old!

[Kitsunelegend]

whoa....... this is one hell of a necro..... damn.... 

 

[Tedster_]

[Carrier_Taiyo]

What's with all of the necro'd threads lately?