It is like having to take your sister to the prom

[handybilly]

25 Useless camos from a mega crate. 

[Elijah2159]

Yup... still haven't changed it

[Taylor3006]

It is why I don't spend money on Christmas crates. The rewards can be just crap and I am not paying actual money for camos or bonuses. Best to farm the free ones crates and just be satisfied with the extras. I can not even imagine the anger I would feel about spending five bucks and getting such garbage for my money.  On the upside the camos and bonuses sell for good credits and that is what I do with them. 

[theLaalaa]

WG is not to blame for crap crates. As a company they may put a whatever price on an unknown object. If you purchase the unknown object and get one of the possibilities of the unknown, that's what you purchased.

The blame is on the player base that, whether proudly or "caved," purchases these items. They have told WG in the strongest language a company understands (cash) that they are willing to pay for the unknown item. Our fellow p(l)ayers are the reason WG is willing to put garbage in the unknown objects. If the cash dried up and few or none bought the boxes, there would be change, which, of course, means there won't be change.

I also got a 25 camo booby prize in a supersatan box (bought with 5 tier 10 certs, so I feel your pain.

[HazeGrayUnderway]

It's like people don't know how Lockboxes work, like this is a brand new thing.

[Slimeball91]

This is really stupid of WG.  They know people don't value camos now that they don't offer anything but a visual.

[Taylor3006]

18 minutes ago, Slimeball91 said:

This is really stupid of WG.  They know people don't value camos now that they don't offer anything but a visual.

I think they looked at other games where players spend money on personalizing their character and thought it would work in Ships, totally ignoring their more successful title Tanks. There at least camos have a bonus for use so people tend to use them if they have them. Not sure how much actual cash it brings in there but it I can see people spending. Heck I spent money on camos there, usually the universal ones you could apply to any tank of a specific nation in order to minimize how many I had to buy. I would not have spent one cent on them had they not offered an advantage in game. 

Removing the bonuses from the camos and then not adding the separate economic boosters with the camos, destroyed their value to many players. When I see camos offered as a prize like in Battle Pass, Dockyards,  or in crates, I attach zero value to them and that helps make decision about spending my time or my money on playing them thru. 

[cammaj]

27 minutes ago, theLaalaa said:

WG is not to blame for crap crates.

So, who then puts them together?

An outside entity?

No!

WG does, ergo it is to blame.

[pepe_trueno]

WG gave him his favourite thing... disappointment

 

someone really needs to turn this into a mod for supercontainers/event containers 

 

[HazeGrayUnderway]

26 minutes ago, Slimeball91 said:

This is really stupid of WG.  They know people don't value camos now that they don't offer anything but a visual.

They still price / value Camos in Dockyard the same way, as if it was still the same system before the separation of visuals and bonus stats.

[theLaalaa]

4 minutes ago, cammaj said:

So, who then puts them together?

An outside entity?

No!

WG does, ergo it is to blame.

<sigh>

WG sells a chance, a possibility. The chances range from ships to lipstick. The community (by and large) approve of WG's offering by buying said chance.

If no one bought a single santabox - not one, then WG might ask the community why. The community would respond, "We only want to buy chances for ships!" Then WG would consider whether to sell chances for ships only.

It's the customer approval that determines the company's actions in this matter. Players that spend on WG's present chance boxes that include lipstick are finally to blame for WG continuing to offer chance boxes that include lipstick.

If you want WG to quit selling chances for 'junk,' then don't buy (with real money) their chances for 'junk.' If WG continues to sell them, you win because you haven't bought 'junk.' If WG changes their behavior, you win because you'll get to buy chances for 'treasure.'

[Fighter835]

1 hour ago, theLaalaa said:

WG is not to blame for crap crates. As a company they may put a whatever price on an unknown object. If you purchase the unknown object and get one of the possibilities of the unknown, that's what you purchased.

The blame is on the player base that, whether proudly or "caved," purchases these items. They have told WG in the strongest language a company understands (cash) that they are willing to pay for the unknown item. Our fellow p(l)ayers are the reason WG is willing to put garbage in the unknown objects. If the cash dried up and few or none bought the boxes, there would be change, which, of course, means there won't be change.

I also got a 25 camo booby prize in a supersatan box (bought with 5 tier 10 certs, so I feel your pain.

Agreed. What ever happened to personal responsibility? If you don't like the content of the gamble crates, don't buy them. Never bought a loot container in ANY game, and never will.

[black_hull4]

ing hell why does everyone hate on the New Year Sky camo? Hate on Frosty Fir Tree or the not-even-rare econ bonuses instead.

Also, I just didn't go to prom. That's an option too.

[cammaj]

1 hour ago, theLaalaa said:

The chances range from ships to lipstick

I did not know lipstick was in a box! 

Do they mail it to you if you win it? 

P. S., the ship would not fit in my bathtub. 🛁🚢😅

[kgh52]

1 hour ago, HazeGrayUnderway said:

They still price / value Camos in Dockyard the same way, as if it was still the same system before the separation of visuals and bonus stats.

Yes, it appears they do. Sometimes I wonder if each department within WG operates autonomously.

[Singularity_invader]

Well, when you gamble, you need to be ready for the worst possible scenario. Buy ships with discounts outright if you prefer to be safe.

[stevezaxx]

1 hour ago, theLaalaa said:

If WG continues to sell them, you win because you haven't bought 'junk.'

I WIN!!!!!!!!!!

[iDuckman]

4 hours ago, handybilly said:

25 Useless camos from a mega crate. 

25 camos is *supposed* to sell for the same amount of Creds you can get in the crate.  So essentially a greater chance of credits.  But there was something wrong with my Inventory today.  Seems like camos are selling for half price. 

 

[Frostbow]

4 hours ago, Taylor3006 said:

It is why I don't spend money on Christmas crates. The rewards can be just crap and I am not paying actual money for camos or bonuses. Best to farm the free ones crates and just be satisfied with the extras. I can not even imagine the anger I would feel about spending five bucks and getting such garbage for my money.  On the upside the camos and bonuses sell for good credits and that is what I do with them. 

Each December it happens. I see posts that complain about the very low value they got from the crates. I've read lots of posts, ranging from the "I've been very, very lucky" to the "This is a scam". I've also seen lengthy posts that seem to rationalize the wins they are getting, some even going as far as penning caricatures for each and every ship they get, but a year later, the same winners reveal that the ships they won last December haven't even been played that much because they are 'meh' or were simply left to rot in port because of new premiums and ship lines introduced in the game during the year garnered the most play time. 

Long story short, I realized early on that the best way to get the value that I want in World of Warships is to get it outright from the Armory or the Premium Shop using coupons. Crates/loot boxes are gambling at its core, and there is a good reason why Belgium has banned it.

Just like in the previous New Year Celebrations, the noise will soon die down when the new update arrives, and the player base will soon set its collective eye on the next batch of ships on the horizon.

1 hour ago, Singularity_invader said:

Well, when you gamble, you need to be ready for the worst possible scenario. Buy ships with discounts outright if you prefer to be safe.

That is the best approach.

[Saphira123456]

2 hours ago, iDuckman said:

25 camos is *supposed* to sell for the same amount of Creds you can get in the crate.  So essentially a greater chance of credits.  But there was something wrong with my Inventory today.  Seems like camos are selling for half price. 

 

One rather glaring issue with that, iDuckman:

If they're supposed to sell for the same amount of credits, why not just give you the credits?

In other words, why do they make you go through the extra step? Why give us something worthless, only for us to turn around and sell it for something we can actually use?

I think they should drop the camos from Santa Crates altogether and stick them in the lowest-tier box ONLY, since they're worth a big fat zero dollars. They're not worth anything in-game any more, in fact they might as well have ships come with one permanent camouflage by default, and not even offer the option to change it any more aside from other permanent camos.

Right now if you buy a really-expensive crate such as a Santa's Mega Crate and then it ends up being something worthless like a bunch of camos, you've essentially spent a hundred dollars on nothing. It's an "ooh, too bad! What terrible luck you have - try again?" draw.

It's one thing to play the slots for a few dollars and cents, but when you're charging a hundred dollars for 20 rolls, you better have something more than fancy air to show for it after you're done. Otherwise you're wasting money.

^

 

[Lert]

8 hours ago, Slimeball91 said:

This is really stupid of WG.  They know people don't value camos now that they don't offer anything but a visual.

Speak for yourself.

[Dudefella]

5 hours ago, iDuckman said:

e camos are selling for half price

An error at the customer’s expense is probably not accidental. 

[Lazy_Joe]

11 hours ago, handybilly said:

25 Useless camos from a mega crate. 

[Taylor3006]

3 hours ago, Lert said:

Speak for yourself.

Well if the amount of posts here and on Reddit is any indication, @Slimeball91 is speaking for far more people than you are Lert. Including  your post, I have seen less than a half dozen posts supporting the use of camos since the rework and I am being very generous with that number. Almost every single post I have seen has been someone advising others to sell the camos for credits or talking about how useless they are.... 

The biggest problem IMHO is that they removed all bonuses from them AND kept the price the same as it was prior to the change.... You get less for the same amount of money/resources. It is like buying cereal you enjoy and the next time you go to the store, you buy your favorite brand, the price is the same, and you only get the box, no cereal...... Only a dullard would think that was a good deal.  Americans tend to be savvy consumers, I know things are different in other parts of the world so maybe Europeans think this is a fine deal. But for those of us in this hemisphere, we know a crap deal when we see it. 

[Lert]

1 minute ago, Taylor3006 said:

Well if the amount of posts here and on Reddit is any indication, @Slimeball91 is speaking for far more people than you are Lert. Including  your post, I have seen less than a half dozen posts supporting the use of camos since the rework and I am being very generous with that number. Almost every single post I have seen has been someone advising others to sell the camos for credits or talking about how useless they are.... 

Of course those are the numbers you see. I'm not denying that. Complaints generate a lot more posts, people aren't going around making many posts / threads about how they're ok with things. Same as why air travel is very safe, despite all the news articles about planes going down.

I just disagree with the general assumption that 'people' are against the purely aesthetic use of consumable camos. 'Many people'? Sure. But don't go speaking for everyone.

This doesn't mean I agree completely with the change WG implemented. I'd rather camos did something, like in the old days. But I'm not against spending some credits per match to give my ship a color. That's for everyone to decide individually, and nobody needs anyone to speak for all of them.