WG what with the 2 cv 3 Subs per side games tonight.

[WoIven]

Made me log off after three of them in a row. All the BB and many of the CA sat in the back afraid to move up. The dd had a heck of time trying to cap with Subs firing unguided and guided torps at them all the time the CV trying to sink the DD also. Neither side on in all three games had any fun. Is this really the direction you want your game to go? You have to start limiting the amount of subs and CV together in games. What made it even worse was the game where the Subs on both side thought it was funny and kept taunting the the teams. I had to log after that I was just about to get way to toxic. 

 

 

[Jemention]

4 minutes ago, BIueMoon said:

Made me log off after three of them in a row. All the BB and many of the CA sat in the back afraid to move up. The dd had a heck of time trying to cap with Subs firing unguided and guided torps at them all the time the CV trying to sink the DD also. Neither side on in all three games had any fun. Is this really the direction you want your game to go? You have to start limiting the amount of subs and CV together in games. What made it even worse was the game where the Subs on both side thought it was funny and kept taunting the the teams. I had to log after that I was just about to get way to toxic. 

 

 

I quit after 1 game like that yesterday. Surprised you made it through 3.

[Mizzerys_Fate]

@Ahskance....

It's not just me...

But seems to be the sentiment of the majority...

[USMC2145]

Earlier tonight a streamer stopped streaming over the same thing. Not one of the big streamers though. 

[BrushWolf]

They are the new thing and because more people than normally are playing them are it is functionally a mini queue dump. The problem is not that there are three subs but that their are two or three DD's which makes for far too many torpedoes.

[HyperFish]

1 hour ago, BIueMoon said:

WG what with the 2 cv 3 Subs per side games tonight.

 

People are finding them fun to play. 

[SteelClaw]

1 hour ago, HyperFish said:

People are finding them fun to play. 

Well, children find it fun to play with matches, but 90% of the time they end up burning your house down. But, I guess we should start giving them matches over the fact that they find them fun.

Most players look at Subs as being nothing but turds in the pool. They spoil everyone's fun.

[General_Lee_Miserable]

These matches happen. But, the 2 random battles I was in had 1 sub and no CV each side. 

You may not like them, but Subs and CVs had huge roles in historical naval warfare and have a place in the game. 

[USMC2145]

52 minutes ago, General_Lee_Miserable said:

These matches happen. But, the 2 random battles I was in had 1 sub and no CV each side. 

You may not like them, but Subs and CVs had huge roles in historical naval warfare and have a place in the game. 

Many disagree.

[cgbosn4]

Had one this morning. I’m fine with one CV but as a DD driver the perma-spotting from two really isn’t appealing. 

Not a fan of subs in game. I really don’t think they fit as is. One per match is…acceptable but not liked.

Anywho, since WGing is in charge, the only recourse I have is to either not play or not pay. Since I love the game and have been here for over six years I chose the, “not pay” option. Normally I drop a few hundred at Christmas on Santa crates. Not this year…mostly because of subs. Just can’t see supporting a company that makes decisions I’m not in favor of. 

If you like subs, have fun I guess. In my opinion, I believe WGing has made a mistake with their release and on the financial side, they’ll see it in their spreadsheet. 

[Dudefella]

2 hours ago, General_Lee_Miserable said:

You may not like them, but Subs and CVs had huge roles in historical naval warfare and have a place in the game. 

Oops. You mean arcade game where the firefighters “clear a ping” from the hull of a ship. 🤪

[Grudge_Z]

6 hours ago, BIueMoon said:

Made me log off after three of them in a row. All the BB and many of the CA sat in the back afraid to move up. The dd had a heck of time trying to cap with Subs firing unguided and guided torps at them all the time the CV trying to sink the DD also. Neither side on in all three games had any fun. Is this really the direction you want your game to go? You have to start limiting the amount of subs and CV together in games. What made it even worse was the game where the Subs on both side thought it was funny and kept taunting the the teams. I had to log after that I was just about to get way to toxic. 

 

 

Good to hear you voice out but the Fact is Nothing in this Forum can help us.

[Lord_Slayer]

7 hours ago, BIueMoon said:

Made me log off after three of them in a row. All the BB and many of the CA sat in the back afraid to move up. The dd had a heck of time trying to cap with Subs firing unguided and guided torps at them all the time the CV trying to sink the DD also. Neither side on in all three games had any fun. Is this really the direction you want your game to go? You have to start limiting the amount of subs and CV together in games. What made it even worse was the game where the Subs on both side thought it was funny and kept taunting the the teams. I had to log after that I was just about to get way to toxic. 

 

 

Would you please share with the class at what Tiers you were playing that saw Multi-Subs/CVs?

 

I was playing last night and saw  a single 1 CV and Sub per team battle, then later a 2 sub per team battle while playing at T8.

[Reymu]

4 minutes ago, Lord_Slayer said:

Would you please share with the class at what Tiers you were playing that saw Multi-Subs/CVs?

 

I was playing last night and saw  a single 1 CV and Sub per team battle, then later a 2 sub per team battle while playing at T8.

T5-7 can see this. When uptier queue dumps happen my Le Fantastique isn't safe either. More or less sticking to 9-10 since lower odds of seeing 2 subs per battle.

[ArIskandir]

9 hours ago, BIueMoon said:

Made me log off after three of them in a row.

There may be a point to be made on limits for asymmetric interactions in a match. The point being raised by a CV main just reads like a protest made out of convenience... 

[Musket22]

7 hours ago, HyperFish said:

People are finding them fun to play. 

Well, the MINORITY of the players in that match (the sub players) are finding them fun to play and the SURFACE SHIP players are logging off.

Subs do not make the game FUN & ENGAGING for SURFACE SHIP players.

[PrairiePlayer]

2 hours ago, Dudefella said:

Oops. You mean arcade game where the firefighters “clear a ping” from the hull of a ship. 🤪

You touched on one of the two features that are a poor design and make subs anathema to other players:

Having to use a damage control consumable to clear pings (an impossible choice) and;

Guided torpedoes 

[ArIskandir]

31 minutes ago, Musket22 said:

Well, the MINORITY of the players in that match (the sub players) are finding them fun to play and the SURFACE SHIP players are logging off.

Subs do not make the game FUN & ENGAGING for SURFACE SHIP players.

As a surface ship player, I think I'm happy to swap 2 BBs for 2 Subs in any match. I find the heavy Battleship meta terribly boring and predictable, I'm all for any change that helps curb stomp 5-6 BBs per match. 

[Musket22]

10 minutes ago, ArIskandir said:

As a surface ship player, I think I'm happy to swap 2 BBs for 2 Subs in any match. I find the heavy Battleship meta terribly boring and predictable, I'm all for any change that helps curb stomp 5-6 BBs per match. 

At 5-6 BBs in a match, I would say that is a 'server dump'.

I would rather avoid visible BB salvos than suffer the abominable sub meta

[ArIskandir]

1 minute ago, Musket22 said:

At 5-6 BBs in a match, I would say that is a 'server dump'.

I would rather avoid visible BB salvos than suffer the abominable sub meta

I find it much easier to deal with a Submarine on my face than with 3+ BBs having potential cross shots (sprinkle Overmatch for extra flavor) on me from every side if I move up. A matter of taste I guess.

[Ericson38]

1 hour ago, Reymu said:

T5-7 can see this. When uptier queue dumps happen my Le Fantastique isn't safe either. More or less sticking to 9-10 since lower odds of seeing 2 subs per battle.

Same thing in two games later afternoon yesterday playing T7 IJN DD. Two subs and CV in one game, then two CVs and one sub in another.

Lots of games with 4 DDs and one CV per side.

If a DD can swap out with a sub as far as MM team building rules go, then I think 3 subs and 1 DD per side will be commonplace pretty soon. This means 4 subs per game and no DDs are possible. I really think that CVs are a special case where no more than two per side are allowed by MM, but I don't think WG has a special limit on subs, and that 3-4 subs in place of DDs would be 'normal' game play after enough people start playing them.

Currently the tech tree pickings for subs are just a fraction of what the DD tech tree is, but that is all that is limiting them as far as #s encountered in matches.

 

[HyperFish]

6 hours ago, Musket22 said:

Well, the MINORITY of the players in that match (the sub players) are finding them fun to play and the SURFACE SHIP players are logging off.

Subs do not make the game FUN & ENGAGING for SURFACE SHIP players.

In your opinion.

[USMC2145]

42 minutes ago, HyperFish said:

In your opinion.

In a lot of players' opinions. We all know you're a die-hard Sub defender who believes Subs are fine, but they're not. Having to use DCP to remove the ping is just plain stupid, along with a bunch of other sub-machanics. They make the game not just a little but a lot less enjoyable. 

[HyperFish]

2 hours ago, USMC2145 said:

We all know you're a die-hard Sub defender who believes Subs are fine, but they're not. 

In your opinion.

[Destroyer_Zeka]

14 hours ago, General_Lee_Miserable said:

You may not like them, but Subs and CVs had huge roles in historical naval warfare and have a place in the game. 

History nor realism matter here. The issue is not history its the fact that both classes as they are implemented are incredibly unfun and frustrating to play against as any surface ship, the only thing that keeps either in check is the stupidity of the player behind them