Games to unbalanced to take seriously.

[Macheavelli]

Came back after 3 years to see if it was fixed. Played a month. Games worse. The problem is extremely simple: WGing has gotten themselves into a cycle of the next new thing has to be better than the last thing.  I will not be back. 

 

PS and subs.  Worse thing ever to be implemented. 

[Mono_De_Mantequilla]

15 minutes ago, Macheavelli said:

Came back after 3 years to see if it was fixed. Played a month. Games worse. The problem is extremely simple: WGing has gotten themselves into a cycle of the next new thing has to be better than the last thing.  I will not be back. 

 

PS and subs.  Worse thing ever to be implemented. 

Since you have just come back after 3 years, you can ignore those 3-years-worth of things you missed that are now worse than the latest thing.  How much easier it is for you to just jump into the best thing going, without the baggage those of us who have been here all along are carrying!

[Macheavelli]

4 minutes ago, Mono_De_Mantequilla said:

Since you have just come back after 3 years, you can ignore those 3-years-worth of things you missed that are now worse than the latest thing.  How much easier it is for you to just jump into the best thing going, without the baggage those of us who have been here all along are carrying!

Im in T10s bud.  

 

[Mono_De_Mantequilla]

5 minutes ago, Macheavelli said:

Im in T10s bud.  

 

I don't get it, bud.

[HyperFish]

1 hour ago, Macheavelli said:

Came back after 3 years to see if it was fixed. Played a month. Games worse. The problem is extremely simple: WGing has gotten themselves into a cycle of the next new thing has to be better than the last thing.  I will not be back. 

 

PS and subs.  Worse thing ever to be implemented. 

Problem seems to be that you come back after 3 years and expect to be caught up on the rock paper scissors changes that have been implemented over that time in a month. 

Unfortunately WG can't balance an inability to play well. 

Edit: Remember that your stats are public for all too see. I'm not shaming your stats, but I'm pointing out that everyone can see how truthful your comments are. 

[Mizzerys_Fate]

4 hours ago, Macheavelli said:

Im in T10s bud.  

 

I'm in tier 11's bud....

And I'm sure your just wishing for the easy old days of OWSF.....

Learn to adapt and overcome...

[MnemonScarlet]

3 hours ago, HyperFish said:

Problem seems to be that you come back after 3 years and expect to be caught up on the rock paper scissors changes that have been implemented over that time in a month. 

Unfortunately WG can't balance an inability to play well. 

Edit: Remember that your stats are public for all too see. I'm not shaming your stats, but I'm pointing out that everyone can see how truthful your comments are. 

You and him are roughly equal, so I don't think there is any special inability to be mentioning. Not shaming your stats, just pointing out that you're both about average.

[HyperFish]

1 hour ago, MnemonScarlet said:

You and him are roughly equal, so I don't think there is any special inability to be mentioning. Not shaming your stats, just pointing out that you're both about average.

It's not about stats, but I love how you're trying to infer it is.

It's about returning to the game after a 3 year absence. 

[Lert]

Hm. I wonder what amazing insights we'll get in this post.

*reads OP*

[Dudefella]

9 hours ago, HyperFish said:

Edit: Remember that your stats are public for all too see. I'm not shaming your stats, but I'm pointing out that everyone can see how truthful your comments are.

“Hey everyone look at this guys stats! I’m not stat shaming tho.”

Says a guy that knows PMs exist. 

[ArIskandir]

12 hours ago, Macheavelli said:

Im in T10s bud.  

 

Oh right, because playing a T10 was the magical fix to everything. Let your OP ship carry you to victory... They made T11 just for you bud. Try them, maybe that's what you are looking for.

[MnemonScarlet]

7 hours ago, HyperFish said:

It's not about stats, but I love how you're trying to infer it is.

It's about returning to the game after a 3 year absence. 

Then you don't bring his stats up, pretty simple logic there. His stats have little to do with being out of the meta for 3 years, which he already stated.

[CylonRed]

15 hours ago, Macheavelli said:

PS and subs.  Worse thing ever to be implemented. 

not sure  what PS is but the latter is not correct at all.

[Itsj_p]

11 hours ago, Pretty_Rkless said:

I'm in tier 11's bud....

And I'm sure your just wishing for the easy old days of OWSF.....

Learn to adapt and overcome...

How about we stop using the "Learn to adapt and overcome" cliche, when these things wrong with the game should be fixed, saying that cliche is a cop out.

[black_hull4]

58 minutes ago, Itsj_p said:

How about we stop using the "Learn to adapt and overcome" cliche, when these things wrong with the game should be fixed, saying that cliche is a cop out.

if I can get the cop-out to work, that would legitimately be the cliched "skill issue." Not to mention there's a very short list of things wrong with the game, and a very long lists of things people don't like in the game. And whining players like to think they can get away with blending the 2 lists.

9 hours ago, Lert said:

Hm. I wonder what amazing insights we'll get in this post.

*reads OP*

My reaction exactly.

3 hours ago, MnemonScarlet said:

Then you don't bring his stats up, pretty simple logic there. His stats have little to do with being out of the meta for 3 years, which he already stated.

100% agree. There are many ways to tell if someone is wrong, but stats don't have a bearing here. If he was away for 3 months, you're looking at his stats from 3 months ago.

♦

[Itsj_p]

If someone is fighting a sub and being pinged to death and the sub is out of the range of the depth charge plane, that's a not a skill issue, that's one example, if the tools WG gave us to fight subs and whatever else were balanced, things would be better.

[Spud_butt]

10 hours ago, Lert said:

Hm. I wonder what amazing insights we'll get in this post.

*reads OP*

Here's some juicy stuff

16 hours ago, HyperFish said:

Edit: Remember that your stats are public for all too see. I'm not shaming your stats, but I'm pointing out that everyone can see how truthful your comments are. 

Um, yeah. And:

2 hours ago, CylonRed said:

not sure  what PS is but the latter is not correct at all.

Me neither, and there have been some awful stuff dropped in this game.

13 hours ago, MnemonScarlet said:

You and him are roughly equal, so I don't think there is any special inability to be mentioning. Not shaming your stats, just pointing out that you're both about average.

If you want to get into stat shaming, mine aren't hidden!! Yet, i still have something to say, and by golly, WG likes me!!!  Enjoy...

[Wolfswetpaws]

25 minutes ago, Itsj_p said:

If someone is fighting a sub and being pinged to death and the sub is out of the range of the depth charge plane, that's a not a skill issue, that's one example, if the tools WG gave us to fight subs and whatever else were balanced, things would be better.

Just some food for thought.
1.  If a submarine is pinging a ship, the ping itself does zero damage.  
2.  The ping provides valuable clues about the submarine's location, especially repeated pings.
3.  If one is sailing a BB with 8 km air-strike depth charges and fighting the aforementioned submarine, and out of range of using depth charges, then odds are that maneuver will suffice to "just dodge".
4.  If the submarine is pinging a surface ship, then the submarine is likely using team-spotting or is on the surface or at periscope depth. 
     So, main-gun ordnance is likely to be effective and the submarine is likely to be in range.

But, that's just my perspective, eh?  :-)

[Subs_Blow_Goats]

Agreed

[HyperFish]

14 hours ago, Dudefella said:

“Hey everyone look at this guys stats! I’m not stat shaming tho.”

Says a guy that knows PMs exist. 

I'm not responding to the person, but also to the general public who are active and inactive in this thread. It's a public service announcement. You're welcome.

Some recent examples along the lines of:

"Subs are so easy and OP I played one for the first time and scored 120k damage and a kraken!" Only their stats say they've played subs 12 times and max damage is 30k.
"I stopped playing the game a year ago in protest!" Only their stats have 35 matches last month and multiple new tech tree ships during the time they "stopped playing".

Pointing out the "inconsistency" in their tall tale isn't shaming their stats. I'm not criticising their win rate, or their average damage or their survivability or anything like that. @MnemonScarlet correctly pointed out that my stats aren't much to brag about. All I can do is humbly point out to the player that the accuracy of what they are saying is easily verified, and to educate others who may be tempted to make up the same stories to suit their purposes. Both MnemonScarlet and you have missed the point, despite me clarifying what it was. 

I can't outright call anyone on this forum a liar apart from one person, and only then because the WG employee in question came out and called them a liar, and he knows we know he's a liar so there's nothing more to say about that. But I can encourage others to make their own opinions about whether to believe what they're reading. 

It's also why I ask for replays.

I hope this has cleared it up for you. 

[kgh52]

On 11/11/2022 at 9:23 PM, HyperFish said:

Unfortunately WG can't balance an inability to play well. 

This is true but WG did broaden game imbalance with the CV rework, and the addition of subs, and superships.

The wider the balance gap the fewer players with the ability or maybe with the time necessary to learn to overcome this obstacle.

[Mizzerys_Fate]

12 hours ago, Itsj_p said:

How about we stop using the "Learn to adapt and overcome" cliche, when these things wrong with the game should be fixed, saying that cliche is a cop out.

Op planes vs nerfed AA.

Subs too dam strong vs ineffective DCP.

Learn how to work in this environment,  or stop playing.

Period.

7 years of complaints have yet to really make any changes to make surface ships happier.

[Utt_Buggly]

20 hours ago, CylonRed said:

not sure  what PS is but the latter is not correct at all.

PS: short for Postscript. (Latin: “after writing.”) Comes from the days when people wrote these things called letters, on stuff called paper, and writing took time & effort and a thing called thought.

If the writer remembered something important after having finished the letter, they would add a postscript at the bottom prefaced by “P.S.” A second such addition would be prefaced by “P.S.S.”, etc.

Done that way because there used to be a time when writing was done by hand, and re-writing a letter took considerable effort and time.

 

 

[Type_93]

18 hours ago, Wolfswetpaws said:

Just some food for thought.
1.  If a submarine is pinging a ship, the ping itself does zero damage.  
2.  The ping provides valuable clues about the submarine's location, especially repeated pings.
3.  If one is sailing a BB with 8 km air-strike depth charges and fighting the aforementioned submarine, and out of range of using depth charges, then odds are that maneuver will suffice to "just dodge".
4.  If the submarine is pinging a surface ship, then the submarine is likely using team-spotting or is on the surface or at periscope depth. 
     So, main-gun ordnance is likely to be effective and the submarine is likely to be in range.

But, that's just my perspective, eh?  :-)

You summed things up pretty good.  All the sub haters could do well to take this under consideration. Oh wait. I forgot it’s easier to just run to the forums and complain rather than change your gameplay. 

[Wolfswetpaws]

1 hour ago, Type_93 said:

You summed things up pretty good.  All the sub haters could do well to take this under consideration. Oh wait. I forgot it’s easier to just run to the forums and complain rather than change your gameplay.