Hate subs with a burning passion

[Target_1]

as it stands now... if properly played, subs can stand out of range of bbs and cruisers and just plink away non-stop with torps and pinging.  Using Dam Con to delete the ping is utterly pointless... they can ping you again 10 more times before your Dam Con is off cool down.

At lower tiers, this effect is even worse.  Generally BBs have airstrike range of 6k or less.  Subs can ping and torp out to 11.5k  BBs and cruisers have no defense against this and dodging torps in a low speed BB is difficult at best.

If you get 2 subs in a battle, they can team up and focus single ships giving the ship a 0% chance of survival.

Nah, I hate subs as they are... they are bad for the game... and multi-sub games are utter crap.

There ought to be a "reject" button for use if you spawn into a sub or multi-sub game so you can bow out without being penalized.

we won't even talk about the fact that hydro doesn't work properly against subs or that subs with infinite torpedo supplies are a fantasy at best.

 

[CylonRed]

I hate HE spewing CA/DDs more - especially from concealment.  Farrrrrrrrrr worse for the game.  At least you can kill subs and Dev Strike then and they HAVE to surface but killing HE/torp spammers in concelment far, far, far harder and pretty much impossible unless they happen to be near death already..

[FitzNUrAft]

Oh, don't worry. The sub lovers will be here sticking up for how great they are. Also, WG is "collecting data". This will make it unenjoyable for a while longer. 

[paradat]

22 hours ago, Target_1 said:

as it stands now... if properly played, subs can stand out of range of bbs and cruisers and just plink away non-stop with torps and pinging.  Using Dam Con to delete the ping is utterly pointless... they can ping you again 10 more times before your Dam Con is off cool down.

At lower tiers, this effect is even worse.  Generally BBs have airstrike range of 6k or less.  Subs can ping and torp out to 11.5k  BBs and cruisers have no defense against this and dodging torps in a low speed BB is difficult at best.

If you get 2 subs in a battle, they can team up and focus single ships giving the ship a 0% chance of survival.

Nah, I hate subs as they are... they are bad for the game... and multi-sub games are utter crap.

There ought to be a "reject" button for use if you spawn into a sub or multi-sub game so you can bow out without being penalized.

we won't even talk about the fact that hydro doesn't work properly against subs or that subs with infinite torpedo supplies are a fantasy at best.

 

As it stands now BB's have standoff range on Cruisers and can delete them at will. Worse if there are two of them and you get caught in a crossfire.

As it stands now a stealthy torp DD can launch torpedoes from safety at will. Worse if there are two of them launching on you at the same time.

As it stands now fire spamming cruisers can burn you down an overwhelm your damage control. Worse if there are two of them lighting you up nothing you can do.

As it stands now CV's can spot the whole map and focus you down when you are alone. Worse if there are two of them dropping you at their pleasure. 

Worse we will not even talk about magical health printing heals and how un-historically accurate guns are, fantasy. 

Etc....

Ro Sham Bo

OK. Stop being the hunted and start being the hunter. Does this game play you or do you play the game?

Cheers.

[SnappyBlueShorts]

41 minutes ago, Target_1 said:

subs can stand out of range of bbs and cruisers and just plink away non-stop with torps and pinging.  Using Dam Con to delete the ping is utterly pointless... they can ping you again 10 more times before your Dam Con is off cool down.

At lower tiers, this effect is even worse.  Generally BBs have airstrike range of 6k or less.  Subs can ping and torp out to 11.5k  BBs and cruisers have no defense against this and dodging torps in a low speed BB is difficult at best.

...and to make it worse for you...when I'm spamming torps and pinging everything in sight (just like you described)...I'm not submerged, I'm running on the surface. So even if within range, the ASW strike is pretty much meaningless. In fact, you would do better to lob a salvo at a sub instead of an ASW attack...if you happen to connect, you can hurt it either way (on the surface or at periscope depth).

[ArIskandir]

37 minutes ago, Target_1 said:

as it stands now... if properly played, subs can stand out of range of bbs and cruisers and just plink away non-stop with torps and pinging. 

Befriend a DD player or be yourself the DD player... Capital ships always were deployed with a screen of light/escort ships, where are yours?

[Lord_Slayer]

30 minutes ago, paradat said:

As it stands now BB's have standoff range on Cruisers and can delete them at will. Worse if there are two of them and you get caught in a crossfire.

As it stands now a stealthy torp DD can launch torpedoes from safety at will. Worse if there are two of them launching on you at the same time.

As it stands now fire spamming cruisers can burn you down an overwhelm your damage control. Worse if there are two of them lighting you up nothing you can do.

As it stands now CV's can spot the whole map and focus you down when you are alone. Worse if there are two of them dropping you at their pleasure. 

Worse we will not even talk about magical health printing heals and how un-historically accurate guns are, fantasy. 

Etc....

Ro Sham Bo

OK. Stop being the hunted and start being the hunter. Does this game play you or do you play the game?

Cheers.

[paradat]

OH lol Op just noticed your name. ahahhaha

Well, if you call yourself Target_1 then I guess Serb was right and the game plays you. lol 

I wanted to add that it is a really good idea to play wide rather than deep in a WG game. The more choices you have in port the more freedom you have. Having a large fleet with a lot of variety means you can always support or counter the current Meta as you see fit. This game and business model requires that the game always changes. It is certainly OK to have favorites (mine is Tirpitz) but please play every ship type to at least a little bit of proficiency. 

Cheers.

[arktrooper07]

subs suck a lot, but we should all agree that cv's are far worse as they are able to literally demolish you from anywhere without putting their ship at risk

[BCGrog]

This is why I'm only playing brawls now. No subs.

[Type_93]

1 hour ago, Target_1 said:

as it stands now... if properly played, subs can stand out of range of bbs and cruisers and just plink away non-stop with torps and pinging.  Using Dam Con to delete the ping is utterly pointless... they can ping you again 10 more times before your Dam Con is off cool down.

At lower tiers, this effect is even worse.  Generally BBs have airstrike range of 6k or less.  Subs can ping and torp out to 11.5k  BBs and cruisers have no defense against this and dodging torps in a low speed BB is difficult at best.

If you get 2 subs in a battle, they can team up and focus single ships giving the ship a 0% chance of survival.

Nah, I hate subs as they are... they are bad for the game... and multi-sub games are utter crap.

There ought to be a "reject" button for use if you spawn into a sub or multi-sub game so you can bow out without being penalized.

we won't even talk about the fact that hydro doesn't work properly against subs or that subs with infinite torpedo supplies are a fantasy at best.

 

Another “I got sunk sitting in the back at max range by myself, I don’t want to learn to adapt my playstyle so you must change the game to fit me” post. 

[mashed68]

28 minutes ago, Type_93 said:

Another “I got sunk sitting in the back at max range by myself, I don’t want to learn to adapt my playstyle so you must change the game to fit me” post. 

90% of the time, subs don't make it that far back. His example applies to BB's that push up and makes themselves a big target because they are actually trying to have fun and not be islands with guns. 

[HyperFish]

2 hours ago, Target_1 said:

as it stands now... if properly played, subs can stand out of range of bbs and cruisers and just plink away non-stop with torps and pinging.  Using Dam Con to delete the ping is utterly pointless... they can ping you again 10 more times before your Dam Con is off cool down.

At lower tiers, this effect is even worse.  Generally BBs have airstrike range of 6k or less.  Subs can ping and torp out to 11.5k  BBs and cruisers have no defense against this and dodging torps in a low speed BB is difficult at best.

If you get 2 subs in a battle, they can team up and focus single ships giving the ship a 0% chance of survival.

Nah, I hate subs as they are... they are bad for the game... and multi-sub games are utter crap.

There ought to be a "reject" button for use if you spawn into a sub or multi-sub game so you can bow out without being penalized.

we won't even talk about the fact that hydro doesn't work properly against subs or that subs with infinite torpedo supplies are a fantasy at best.

 

[MN1234]

2 hours ago, Target_1 said:

as it stands now... if properly played, subs can stand out of range of bbs and cruisers and just plink away non-stop with torps and pinging.  Using Dam Con to delete the ping is utterly pointless... they can ping you again 10 more times before your Dam Con is off cool down.

At lower tiers, this effect is even worse.  Generally BBs have airstrike range of 6k or less.  Subs can ping and torp out to 11.5k  BBs and cruisers have no defense against this and dodging torps in a low speed BB is difficult at best.

If you get 2 subs in a battle, they can team up and focus single ships giving the ship a 0% chance of survival.

Nah, I hate subs as they are... they are bad for the game... and multi-sub games are utter crap.

There ought to be a "reject" button for use if you spawn into a sub or multi-sub game so you can bow out without being penalized.

we won't even talk about the fact that hydro doesn't work properly against subs or that subs with infinite torpedo supplies are a fantasy at best.

 

I get pinged all the time.

I don't get hit often.

Skill counters skill.

[Musket22]

2 hours ago, ArIskandir said:

Befriend a DD player or be yourself the DD player... Capital ships always were deployed with a screen of light/escort ships, where are yours?

As IF a DD is a counter to a sub.

Sheirly you jest!

[ArIskandir]

3 minutes ago, Musket22 said:

As IF a DD is a counter to a sub.

A DD can counter a Sub or at least block it, don't blame on the ship the player shortcomings. A DD+BB acting together can totally murder a Sub. 

[paradat]

14 minutes ago, Musket22 said:

As IF a DD is a counter to a sub.

Sheirly you jest!

Heck ya they do. Have you been in sub being hunted by a DD? Terrifying.

 

[Musket22]

@paradat, @Arlskandir, horse puckey!

1) Most DDs don't have the speed to catch up to a sub and if they get near the sub out-maneuvers them with hyperspeed deeks.

2) The Depth Charges are rendered so weak due to the damage mitigation/saturation gimmick that it takes multiple runs at the sub to do any appreciable damage.

Other than suiciding by running over the sub, not a fun of engaging gameplay.

Have I been in a sub?

No, I don't think there is a deep clean strong enough to make me feel clean if I did. Too many oily gimmicks!  

[Dudefella]

5 hours ago, Target_1 said:

subs with infinite torpedo supplies are a fantasy at best

Well. They’re working hard to chase off slow strategic thinking-man’s-game players. May as well turn it into a fantasy game.

[Dudefella]

2 hours ago, HyperFish said:

That guy did it by drinking his own pee. 

[USMC2145]

I think we should put CV and Subs in their own game mode. 6 CV per side 6 Subs per side and let them duke it out and the rest of us can be in our game mode without them. 

[ArIskandir]

43 minutes ago, Dudefella said:

That guy did it by drinking his own pee. 

Somehow I know this will pop out in my mind the next time I get shotgunned by a Submarine 

[HyperFish]

36 minutes ago, USMC2145 said:

I think we should put CV and Subs in their own game mode. 6 CV per side 6 Subs per side and let them duke it out and the rest of us can be in our game mode without them. 

You already have that game mode available. It's called Tier I.

[Bogart1943]

I don't mind subs in game.  I own 2 of them.  I did however, have a game tonight that had 6 subs in it. That, I have to admit, was not fun...

[DrHolmes52]

14 hours ago, ArIskandir said:

A DD+BB acting together can totally murder a Sub. 

Yeah, and a sub, a fast firing radar cruiser and a CV can totally murder a DD and a BB acting together.

While bringing more guys to a fight is the best counterplay, it isn't really the point.