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Umm.... no. Just no.

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Apart from being complete fantasy, how exactly do you want v1s in the game. They struggled to hit London and are a strategic weapon. Rocket U-Boats just don’t work

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2 minutes ago, Coolkid_198 said:

Apart from being complete fantasy, how exactly do you want v1s in the game. They struggle to hit London and are a strategic weapon. Rocket U-Boats just don’t work

That means Kurfurst and U.S. fattleships are still viable targets right?

Edit: Seriously, Rocket U-boats is a horrible idea.

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2 minutes ago, DrHolmes52 said:

That means Kurfurst and U.S. fattleships are still viable targets right?

Edit: Seriously, Rocket U-boats is a horrible idea.

 

5 minutes ago, Coolkid_198 said:

Apart from being complete fantasy, how exactly do you want v1s in the game. They struggle to hit London and are a strategic weapon. Rocket U-Boats just don’t work

 

7 minutes ago, Elijah2159 said:

Umm.... no. Just no.

 

I mean they look cool maybe something like how hornet has a special squadron the sub can have one and it can only launch on the surface and can only be launch again after a decent 2min or 1m 45s pass :)

 Rocket U-boat - WikipediaRocket U-boat - Wikipedia

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43 minutes ago, acidfreedom said:

I literally just found out out about this just now cool vid. What do you guys think?

 

thumbs up for finding this video. As for adding to the game... absolutely not!!

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1 hour ago, acidfreedom said:

I literally just found out out about this just now cool vid. What do you guys think?

 

Stopping an attack by submarines equipped with rockets sounds like a reasonable idea for a Scenario Operation.  :cap_yes:

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WG doesn’t even know how to balance current submarines, how the f*ck do you expect them to balance subs with rockets on them?

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I think this is where WG monetization policy has really fallen down.  Under the current system, WG pushes horrible design ideas through in hopes of hitting that monetization pay dirt.  What they should be doing is bring bad design and development ideas to the community and have the community pay to keep that idea from ever seeing the light of day.

As an example, subs with homing torps and shotgun attacks, or subs with V1 rockets as described in this post, or stun bombs that knock out all consumables, or CV rework that will make AA useless, or a line of Russian CVs with planes that cannot be shot down ( just to name a few).  Present the new idea in the dev blog and ask the community to pay($1 or $5, etc) to NOT have it implemented.

This has the benefit of letting WG monetize their bad design choices and they never arrive in the game to wreck the otherwise well balanced duel between DD/CA/BB.  WG can still make money from their crusade at the expense of enjoyment to find new mechanics, interactions, etc but we don't have to have them in game!  Win, win!  

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35 minutes ago, Wolfswetpaws said:

Stopping an attack by submarines equipped with rockets sounds like a reasonable idea for a Scenario Operation.  :cap_yes:

That sounds super cool i hope the devs will make somthing like that.

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Eventually we'll have American Submarines with an airstrike call-in ability.  Because that's exactly what happened in Leyte Gulf, 1944, and resulted in the sinking of Musashi as well as damage to numerous other ships in Kurita's Center Force :Smile_trollface:

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54 minutes ago, HazeGrayUnderway said:

Eventually we'll have American Submarines with an airstrike call-in ability.  Because that's exactly what happened in Leyte Gulf, 1944, and resulted in the sinking of Musashi as well as damage to numerous other ships in Kurita's Center Force :Smile_trollface:

inb4 the Ping provides a dispersion buff to ships firing at the target... :cap_haloween:

 

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52 minutes ago, HazeGrayUnderway said:

Eventually we'll have American Submarines with an airstrike call-in ability.  Because that's exactly what happened in Leyte Gulf, 1944, and resulted in the sinking of Musashi as well as damage to numerous other ships in Kurita's Center Force :Smile_trollface:

Don’t forget USS Barb.

3 hours ago, Elijah2159 said:

Umm.... no. Just no.

3 hours ago, Coolkid_198 said:

Apart from being complete fantasy, how exactly do you want v1s in the game. They struggled to hit London and are a strategic weapon. Rocket U-Boats just don’t work

As above, USS Barb actually used rockets in combat, unlike the U-Boat in the posted video.

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3 minutes ago, ArIskandir said:

inb4 the Ping provides a dispersion buff to ships firing at the target... :cap_haloween:

 

Actual war is crazier, too.

 

Imagine being in port in WoWS, doing things like altering builds, buying new ships to add into your fleet.  Then, all the sudden, one of your Battleships suddenly blow up in harbor.  A player sneaked through all your heavy defenses undetected in a Submarine, and sank a BB!

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... Because that's exactly what happened early in WWII.  Type VIIB U-Boat U-47, same class as the current game's Tier VI German submarine, just an earlier version, did exactly that in October 1939.  She infiltrated Scapa Flow and torpedoed and sunk HMS Royal Oak, a Revenge-class Battleship.  U-47 even escaped.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_submarine_U-47_(1938)#Sinking_of_HMS_Royal_Oak

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"The crew of U-47 taking the salute from the crew of the Gneisenau-class battleship Scharnhorst on its return from Scapa Flow in October 1939."

 

 

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Just now, HazeGrayUnderway said:

Actual war is crazier, too.

 

Imagine being in port in WoWS, doing things like altering builds, buying new ships to add into your fleet.  Then, all the sudden, one of your Battleships suddenly blow up in harbor.  A player sneaked through all your heavy defenses undetected in a Submarine, and sank a BB!

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... Because that's exactly what happened early in WWII.  Type VIIB U-Boat U-47, same class as the current game's Tier VI German submarine, just an earlier version, did exactly that in October 1939.  She infiltrated Scapa Flow and torpedoed and sunk HMS Royal Oak, a Revenge-class Battleship.  U-47 even escaped.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_submarine_U-47_(1938)#Sinking_of_HMS_Royal_Oak

U-47s.jpg

"The crew of U-47 taking the salute from the crew of the Gneisenau-class battleship Scharnhorst on its return from Scapa Flow in October 1939."

 

 

I would immediately fall in love with that game!!! :Smile_playing:

 

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23 minutes ago, Estimated_Prophet said:

Don’t forget USS Barb.

As above, USS Barb actually used rockets in combat, unlike the U-Boat in the posted video.

I wasn't familiar with that bit of history.  So they did rocket targets ashore.  Those crazy guys even sent ashore some of the crew to do some sabotage in the home islands area of Japan.  Even taking out a train.  The train destruction is even on the flag at the bottom of the picture shown:

USS_Barb_crew_1945_i03570.jpg

 

So, imagine in WoWS terms:  You're sitting in port, and some player in a submarine rockets your clan's facilities, temporarily removing clan bonus depending on the buildings wrecked.  Then later on you see the train of the base getting blown up due to sabotage from said submarine.

 

Or USN Submarines employing Marine Raiders.

marine-raiders-1944.jpg?itok=u57g2Obu

 

"Why are my port's buildings suddenly blowing up???"

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26 minutes ago, Estimated_Prophet said:

Don’t forget USS Barb.

As above, USS Barb actually used rockets in combat, unlike the U-Boat in the posted video.

That will work great.

When we have islands as targets.

Barb and Fluckey were bad aft.

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11 minutes ago, HazeGrayUnderway said:

I wasn't familiar with that bit of history.  So they did rocket targets ashore.  Those crazy guys even sent ashore some of the crew to do some sabotage in the home islands area of Japan.  Even taking out a train.  The train destruction is even on the flag at the bottom of the picture shown:

USS_Barb_crew_1945_i03570.jpg

So, imagine in WoWS terms:  You're sitting in port, and some player in a submarine rockets your clan's facilities, temporarily removing clan bonus depending on the buildings wrecked.  Then later on you see the train of the base getting blown up due to sabotage from said submarine.

Or USN Submarines employing Marine Raiders.

marine-raiders-1944.jpg?itok=u57g2Obu

"Why are my port's buildings suddenly blowing up???"

Bots in Narai…

”Bwah hah hah! We sank all the transports! Wait… why did that facility just get captured?!?”

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13 minutes ago, Estimated_Prophet said:

Bots in Narai…

”Bwah hah hah! We sank all the transports! Wait… why did that facility just get captured?!?”

USS Nautilus also has interesting early war history.  She was old, too, commissioned in 1930.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Nautilus_(SS-168)

She also inadvertently was the reason why the Kido Butai's carriers were wrecked at Midway.  She spotted Nagumo's fleet and was going to attack Kirishima, but the attack failed and she got run off by the ASW effort.  The Japanese dispatched Destroyer Arashi to go after her while the fleet continued on.  For a good while Arashi did that but never got Nautilus.  She gave up and turned around to return to rejoin the fleet.  However, as she was doing this, the bombers from Yorktown and Enterprise were flying around.  They went where they expected the Carriers to be, but they weren't there.  Then they spotted from afar the big, white streak, the wake left behind by DD Arashi.  So much for Destroyer concealment from the air :Smile_trollface:  The Americans figured she was in a hurry to go somewhere important, like the Carriers.  So they looked at the course Arashi was doing and went that way.  The rest is history.

Douglas_SBD_Dauntless_dropping_a_bomb,_c

 

She'd do more work like sinking ships, including a Destroyer, and employing Marine Raiders.  Shiratsuyu-class DD Yamakaze after being torpedoed by Nautilus in 1942.

1920px-Torpedoed_Japanese_destroyer_Yama

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29 minutes ago, HazeGrayUnderway said:

She'd do more work like sinking ships, including a Destroyer, and employing Marine Raiders.  Shiratsuyu-class DD Yamakaze after being torpedoed by Nautilus in 1942.

  1920px-Torpedoed_Japanese_destroyer_Yama

But... but DDs were meant to fight Submarines, how is it that a Submarine is able to sink a DD just like that? :Smile_trollface:

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3 hours ago, ArIskandir said:

But... but DDs were meant to fight Submarines, how is it that a Submarine is able to sink a DD just like that? :Smile_trollface:

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4 hours ago, ArIskandir said:

But... but DDs were meant to fight Submarines, how is it that a Submarine is able to sink a DD just like that? :Smile_trollface:

It gets even better.  In the Pacific Theater, about the time the heavy naval surface fighting began at Guadalcanal, the IJN were suffering their share of Destroyer losses despite some of their early successes.  The USN, knowing full well that Japan would struggle to replace their Destroyers, passed orders for their submarines to actually go out of their way and attack Destroyers.

 

In the book, "Japanese Destroyer Captain," the author used to be a Division Commander aboard Shiratsuyu-class DD Shigure in 1942-1943, through the DD's most famous phase of its history.  He eventually got orders to do shore duty as his health was in decline for being in combat for so long.  He heard that in January 1945, his old Shigure was sunk by a Submarine (USS Blackfin) while escorting a convoy of ships.  I specifically remember him talking depressed about it, and saying it was like a mouse eating a cat when a Submarine sinks a Destroyer.

 

The IJN's DD losses were so heavy from so many factors.  The heavy surface fighting at the South Pacific (New Guinea, Bismarck Sea, Guadalcanal, Solomon Islands), and eventual Submarines dog piling in on it made life as a DD bleak.  Their DD losses were so high that Captain Hara Tameichi, the author of the book I mentioned, was the only pre-war IJN Destroyer captain to survive WWII.

Mofton had a thread a good while back showing the % losses of Destroyers to different threats in WWII.  For the Imperial Japanese Navy, Submarines were the greatest killer of their Destroyers.  Not surface fighting, not land or carrier based air power, not mines... Subs killed them more than anything else.

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