51,364 [MAUS] LittleWhiteMouse Retired WoWS Community Contributors 13,619 posts Report post #1 Posted July 4 Look, I appreciate what the art department was trying to do by placing snow on the ships. But it's reflective qualities are all wrong. It looks like someone sprinkled baking soda from the galley all over the deck. It doesn't look like snow. 18 3 2 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,751 [CAAT] SaiIor_Moon Members 4,876 posts 7,023 battles Report post #2 Posted July 4 52 minutes ago, LittleWhiteMouse said: Look, I appreciate what the art department was trying to do by placing snow on the ships. But it's reflective qualities are all wrong. It looks like someone sprinkled baking soda from the galley all over the deck. It doesn't look like snow. Also, probably getting a little too technical here, but wouldn't the snow totally get blown off when a battleship's guns fire? The muzzle blast alone can literally kill somebody. I would assume that this level of concussive force (the pressure wave) would have SOME effect on snow nearby the turrets.... 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
51,364 [MAUS] LittleWhiteMouse Retired WoWS Community Contributors 13,619 posts Report post #3 Posted July 4 3 minutes ago, SaiIor_Moon said: Also, probably getting a little too technical here, but wouldn't the snow totally get blown off when a battleship's guns fire? The muzzle blast alone can literally kill somebody. I would assume that this level of concussive force (the pressure wave) would have SOME effect on snow nearby the turrets.... It depends on how heavy (wet) the snow is. Muzzle blasts are hot too, so they'll cause melting. But the issue is the reflective quality of snow. Snow reflects between approximately 75% to 95% of light shone upon it. Depending on the snow texture, this can be almost like glass (cold, hard packed snow) to heavily refracted (fresh, loose snow). But in any case, the snow we have in game is matte with no reflective qualities at all, so it looks like baking soda or flour. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,751 [CAAT] SaiIor_Moon Members 4,876 posts 7,023 battles Report post #4 Posted July 4 2 minutes ago, LittleWhiteMouse said: It depends on how heavy (wet) the snow is. Muzzle blasts are hot too, so they'll cause melting. But the issue is the reflective quality of snow. Snow reflects between approximately 75% to 95% of light shone upon it. Depending on the snow texture, this can be almost like glass (cold, hard packed snow) to heavily refracted (fresh, loose snow). But in any case, the snow we have in game is matte with no reflective qualities at all, so it looks like baking soda or flour. so just have reflections affect snow, basically. That should be Ok though...it's not like reflections aren't in the game. It's pretty possible, I think. It might be SLIGHTLY more taxing on certain machines, but it shouldn't really affect your gameplay or graphics too much in terms of lag. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
51,364 [MAUS] LittleWhiteMouse Retired WoWS Community Contributors 13,619 posts Report post #5 Posted July 4 (edited) 9 hours ago, SaiIor_Moon said: so just have reflections affect snow, basically. That should be Ok though...it's not like reflections aren't in the game. It's pretty possible, I think. It might be SLIGHTLY more taxing on certain machines, but it shouldn't really affect your gameplay or graphics too much in terms of lag. We already have the effect with water on deck. They just need to apply some reflective (specular) effects to the snow so it doesn't look like baking soda. Edited July 4 by Admiral_Bingo removed drug reference 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
333 Lazy_Joe Members 564 posts Report post #6 Posted July 4 1 hour ago, LittleWhiteMouse said: Look, I appreciate what the art department was trying to do by placing snow on the ships. But it's reflective qualities are all wrong. It looks like someone sprinkled baking soda from the galley all over the deck. It doesn't look like snow. And please keep it as it is. I don't want want any more disturbing reflections which hampers my gameplay experience just so it looks more realistic. The sun beams on "Tears by dessert" were already too much. I vote to keep it as is. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1 [USFC] dsnyder Members 9 posts 28,330 battles Report post #7 Posted July 4 also, no good captain would allow the snow to build up on the decks in good weather 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
116 Cirdane Members 269 posts 9,278 battles Report post #8 Posted July 4 (edited) Hmmm I guess a Canadian would know about snow. Little White Mouse , you guys have like 635 words for it. We in Michigan I think only have about 472.............. Edited July 4 by Cirdane 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4,194 [BEA5T] Asym_KS Members 6,460 posts 32,276 battles Report post #9 Posted July 4 2 hours ago, LittleWhiteMouse said: Look, I appreciate what the art department was trying to do by placing snow on the ships. But it's reflective qualities are all wrong. It looks like someone sprinkled baking soda from the galley all over the deck. It doesn't look like snow. Maybe, it's all of the innovation they have..... Or, it's all they can afford. After all, the game is ESRB-T rated........so, if a 13 year old thinks it's cool stuff, that's all they need. 1 hour ago, LittleWhiteMouse said: It depends on how heavy (wet) the snow is. Muzzle blasts are hot too, so they'll cause melting. 105 (M68A1) and 120 (M256) tank guns are so dangerous, they kill birds roosting in trees within 50 yards of the muzzle...... Cause ear drums and sinuses to rupture.... the drivers must be buttoned up. Imagine, a 16 inch gun......there'd be no snow at all because the concussion itself would simply move it and the heat envelopes would surely melt it...... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,090 [PAT] SuperSSL Members 1,093 posts 14,381 battles Report post #10 Posted July 4 I don't know if adding reflections to the splattery white stuff is the play here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
272 [AK-49] Aurora_7 Members 592 posts 12,848 battles Report post #11 Posted July 4 8 hours ago, dsnyder said: also, no good captain would allow the snow to build up on the decks in good weather Seems to be a crew problem. Have you noticed no one ever seems to be on deck? I don't know how the external AA guns manage to fire. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
89 [SFOR] verkhne Beta Testers 465 posts 12,491 battles Report post #12 Posted July 4 1 hour ago, Aurora_7 said: Seems to be a crew problem. Have you noticed no one ever seems to be on deck? I don't know how the external AA guns manage to fire. Telling comment on current AA 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
489 [TOG] BCGrog Members 354 posts 12,874 battles Report post #13 Posted July 4 (edited) But I like the snow effect. Makes my ships look sweet 🧁🎂. Dangit now I want a doughnut. Off to Timmy's. ☺️ Edited July 4 by BCGrog Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
601 GoldDust2015 Members 891 posts 7,498 battles Report post #14 Posted July 4 11 hours ago, SaiIor_Moon said: Also, probably getting a little too technical here, but wouldn't the snow totally get blown off when a battleship's guns fire? The muzzle blast alone can literally kill somebody. I would assume that this level of concussive force (the pressure wave) would have SOME effect on snow nearby the turrets.... Yes that would get rid of the snow, also the mist washing across the deck from waves would wash away the snow. It would either be gone or turned into ice which would be even more dangerous to people trying to move around the deck. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
508 [SUB4] MN1234 Members 1,003 posts 9,825 battles Report post #15 Posted July 4 12 hours ago, SaiIor_Moon said: Also, probably getting a little too technical here, but wouldn't the snow totally get blown off when a battleship's guns fire? The muzzle blast alone can literally kill somebody. I would assume that this level of concussive force (the pressure wave) would have SOME effect on snow nearby the turrets.... I'm pretty sure the crew would clear snow off the decks. Safety issue. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,751 [CAAT] SaiIor_Moon Members 4,876 posts 7,023 battles Report post #16 Posted July 4 13 hours ago, LittleWhiteMouse said: We already have the effect with water on deck. They just need to apply some reflective (specular) effects to the snow so it doesn't look like baking soda. Yep. Basically what I was thinking. It should be fine. I'm all for more realism added to the game :D Speaking of realism, any chance we can uhhh, get an option to NOT apply camo to our planes Wargaming?! Still need that option. 12 hours ago, Asym_KS said: Imagine, a 16 inch gun......there'd be no snow at all because the concussion itself would simply move it and the heat envelopes would surely melt it...... Yeah, that's literally what I was saying: 14 hours ago, SaiIor_Moon said: Also, probably getting a little too technical here, but wouldn't the snow totally get blown off when a battleship's guns fire? The muzzle blast alone can literally kill somebody. I would assume that this level of concussive force (the pressure wave) would have SOME effect on snow nearby the turrets.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,751 [CAAT] SaiIor_Moon Members 4,876 posts 7,023 battles Report post #17 Posted July 4 2 hours ago, MN1234 said: I'm pretty sure the crew would clear snow off the decks. Safety issue. Maybe we don't actually need the snow then! Like, SLIGHT sprinkles of snow, fine. But not the amount on our ships currently. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
51,364 [MAUS] LittleWhiteMouse Retired WoWS Community Contributors 13,619 posts Report post #18 Posted July 4 Keep in mind that there are lots of different qualities of snow. It behaves different at different temperatures and densities. Light, dry powder will get blown away by a muzzle blast where as packed, icy stuff might crack or just compress further and not scatter much at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,184 [CYPHR] xTheCanadianx Alpha Tester, Members, Beta Testers 4,309 posts 24,995 battles Report post #19 Posted July 5 21 hours ago, Lazy_Joe said: And please keep it as it is. I don't want want any more disturbing reflections which hampers my gameplay experience just so it looks more realistic. The sun beams on "Tears by dessert" were already too much. I vote to keep it as is. wear sun glasses :P Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
569 [-1] dimzzy Members 892 posts 14,465 battles Report post #20 Posted July 5 On 7/3/2022 at 10:01 PM, LittleWhiteMouse said: Look, I appreciate what the art department was trying to do by placing snow on the ships. But it's reflective qualities are all wrong. It looks like someone sprinkled baking soda from the galley all over the deck. It doesn't look like snow. I also have a long standing complaint that the water is too dirty in some maps. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,057 [FORM] TheArc Members 2,829 posts 15,132 battles Report post #21 Posted July 5 On 7/3/2022 at 10:01 PM, LittleWhiteMouse said: Look, I appreciate what the art department was trying to do by placing snow on the ships. But it's reflective qualities are all wrong. It looks like someone sprinkled baking soda from the galley all over the deck. It doesn't look like snow. Agreed. One of the few times that the art department didn't do their usual outstanding work. It looks ok zoomed all the way out, but definitely not good - and especially when zoomed in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
170 [H_] S16_Hunter Members 950 posts 15,456 battles Report post #22 Posted July 5 Honestly.. who cares, didn't need "snow" in the first place didn't need Erupting volcano's, etc. etc.. what we wanted and have been asking for for years is NEW MAPS.. oh boy we got 1 this year... whoopee... So alot of the existing players will be dead and gone by the time they refresh the map lists.. geez.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
171 [-PVE-] Mykawa Members 418 posts 15,321 battles Report post #23 Posted July 5 On 7/4/2022 at 10:19 AM, MN1234 said: I'm pretty sure the crew would clear snow off the decks. Safety issue. Our ships have no crew! Just a captain who yells a lot sometimes in a very female voice. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
508 [SUB4] MN1234 Members 1,003 posts 9,825 battles Report post #24 Posted July 5 1 minute ago, Mykawa said: Our ships have no crew! Just a captain who yells a lot sometimes in a very female voice. My ex is a ships' captain? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
70 [ICLAD] Airacobra [ICLAD] Beta Testers 158 posts 16,818 battles Report post #25 Posted July 5 It looks like baking powder because it IS baking powder. It's just preparation for the roasting the HE shells are about to bring. Yummm yum. Country fried BB with a side of DD spears. Lightly sprinkled in dive bombers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
