(concealment while capping)I'm a destroyer player...and i think...

[soulsedge]

I'm a destroyer player, and i think in the current state of gameplay.   Concealment on destroyers needs to be toned down a little.   I have been in, and done. and watched....battleships, that can spot ships from 16+ km's away, unable to see destroyers that are within the flags.....while battleships are just outside flag capture area......torp the battleship down, without ever being seen. once.    and they aren't on the edge of the flag area.    they are 3/4 way in.

 

I find it a bit odd that a battleship can spot cruisers etc, 16+ km's away.......but yet, can't see a destroyer within the flag area and they are right next to it.  

again. i'm not a battleship player....i'm 50/50 destroyer and cruiser.    

 

but i'm finding it a bit unbalanced.     This last game i just watched a destroyer singlehandedly win the game after we dominated it, because he was capping and nobody, and i mean nobody could see him til you were nearly on top of him.....and he's just launch a wave of 9 torpedo's and sink battleship after battleship.    (including my cruiser)       My cruiser dying was my own fault.   i was a bit too aggressive.   But the battleships were literally helpless, they couldn't do anything to stop the flag cap, short of getting closer, and getting within range of easy torp kills on em.   

 

concealment on destroyers needs to be toned down.....IF......they are flag capping.    and only if they are flag capping.   It should be set to their default torp distance.

if your capping as a ship,  any ship, your concealment should automatically equal your highest weapons range.....unless your concealment range, is worst then gun range. then it should remain same.

[Triela50]

I'm a destroyer player, and i think in the current state of gameplay.   Concealment on destroyers needs to be toned down a little.   I have been in, and done. and watched....battleships, that can spot ships from 16+ km's away, unable to see destroyers that are within the flags.....while battleships are just outside flag capture area......torp the battleship down, without ever being seen. once.    and they aren't on the edge of the flag area.    they are 3/4 way in.

 

I find it a bit odd that a battleship can spot cruisers etc, 16+ km's away.......but yet, can't see a destroyer within the flag area and they are right next to it.  

again. i'm not a battleship player....i'm 50/50 destroyer and cruiser.    

 

but i'm finding it a bit unbalanced.     This last game i just watched a destroyer singlehandedly win the game after we dominated it, because he was capping and nobody, and i mean nobody could see him til you were nearly on top of him.....and he's just launch a wave of 9 torpedo's and sink battleship after battleship.    (including my cruiser)       My cruiser dying was my own fault.   i was a bit too aggressive.   But the battleships were literally helpless, they couldn't do anything to stop the flag cap, short of getting closer, and getting within range of easy torp kills on em.   

 

concealment on destroyers needs to be toned down.....IF......they are flag capping.    and only if they are flag capping.   It should be set to their default torp distance.

if your capping as a ship,  any ship, your concealment should automatically equal your highest weapons range.....unless your concealment range, is worst then gun range. then it should remain same.

yeah because torpedo runs are so much easier when when they can spot you 12 km away. It's not like they are going to shoot at you or have enough time to maneuver to avoid your torps. So yeah lets make DDs easier to spot  

[soulsedge]

yeah because torpedo runs are so much easier when when they can spot you 12 km away. It's not like they are going to shoot at you or have enough time to maneuver to avoid your torps. So yeah lets make DDs easier to spot  

 

lets be honest. in reality, you think a battleship couldn't spot a destroyer more then 6km's away.....if they are known to be in a certain area?  coordinates given, etc?    

I think they could.    Or perhaps we could even make the concealment, 1km deviation from their max torp range.   torp range is 9km?  make em spottable at 8km...but only while capping.   Unless of course you blow smoke.  

 

Remember: i'm a Destroyer player if you can look up my stats, do so, if you dont think i am.  its my opinion that it's unfair.   it's just that.  A OPINION!

[Battleship_Unknown2]

+1 OP. It's ludicrous that battleships should have to sail INTO THEIR OWN CIRCLE just to see the destroyer that's capping it. Why do I have to unduly expose myself to a full torpedo spread and death because some pud wants a cheap victory?

[iballew]

Being an avid DD/BB player, I just thought I'd say I completely agree.

[Kitano_Honoka]

Having played a little bit of all the ship classes, I can say that the smoke benefits are too pronounced right now. Not by a huge margin, but enough to warrant some slight tweaking to the mechanic.

[Triela50]

 

lets be honest. in reality, you think a battleship couldn't spot a destroyer more then 6km's away.....if they are known to be in a certain area?  coordinates given, etc?    

I think they could.    Or perhaps we could even make the concealment, 1km deviation from their max torp range.   torp range is 9km?  make em spottable at 8km...but only while capping.   Unless of course you blow smoke.  

 

Remember: i'm a Destroyer player if you can look up my stats, do so, if you dont think i am.  its my opinion that it's unfair.   it's just that.  A OPINION!

what would be the point of a DD even trying to cap if the enemy team can spot them the second they enter the cap. Just because you know he is in the cap doesn't mean you know where in the cap he is. Remember DDs live and die by their concealment if you tamper with that no DD will ever try to cap again 

[Harkonen_siegetank]

yeah because torpedo runs are so much easier when when they can spot you 12 km away. It's not like they are going to shoot at you or have enough time to maneuver to avoid your torps. So yeah lets make DDs easier to spot  

 

what would be the point of a DD even trying to cap if the enemy team can spot them the second they enter the cap. Just because you know he is in the cap doesn't mean you know where in the cap he is. Remember DDs live and die by their concealment if you tamper with that no DD will ever try to cap again 

 

Someone afraid their precious DD gonna get nerfed.....QQ no more one-volley torp for you.

 

IN MY OPINION, i dont really mind detection range, but they have to tone down torp damage (yes including Torp Bombers). I know they are some sort of an equalizer, but one volley stuff from full health, that's just nonsense.

[Triela50]

 

 

Someone afraid their precious DD gonna get nerfed.....QQ no more one-volley torp for you.

 

IN MY OPINION, i dont really mind detection range, but they have to tone down torp damage (yes including Torp Bombers). I know they are some sort of an equalizer, but one volley stuff from full health, that's just nonsense.

Sounds like someone just doesn't know how not to tunnel vision QQ more when your Fuso gets blasted because you don't have your head on a swivel

 

OP please explain how the air and water are different inside a cap circle then outside one Do ships magically become bigger inside a cap circle?     

[Harkonen_siegetank]

Sounds like someone just doesn't know how not to tunnel vision QQ more when your Fuso gets blasted because you don't have your head on a swivel

 

OP please explain how the air and water are different inside a cap circle then outside one Do ships magically become bigger inside a cap circle?     

 

I play cruiser lel.

[WhimsicalPacifist]

It is fine as is.  For a DD to have successfully capped out evinces multiple levels of failure on the enemy team.

[EasyMode]

Lift of DD concealment in close range and that DD is gone for good when face a decent BB player.

 

Better fix FPS consuming by smoke screen.

[SirenSounds]

They should also disable special abilities in the cap circle too. You know, for reasons.

 

 

[QuicksilverJPR]

It's simply game balance.  Nothing more than that....

[Notdeadyet60]

I would say if the DD did not pop smoke then they should be detected due to their normal detection range. If they do pop smoke then just as in RL it will be hard to spot them. Taffey 3 comes to mind. Torpedo strength is fine, and I am a Cruiser/BB player for the most part. But if there is a problem with detecting a DD who is out in the open and did not use smoke then their is a spotting mechanic problem.

 

When concealed with smoke attacking a DD one at a time is handing the DD player the advantage but attacking from 3 or more points simultaneously will greatly improve the chance of taking the DD down

 

Disabling the special abilities is not fair to the DD player as smoke is the only way a DD can survive when in the open... Just my opinion on this matter

[MetalMouse]

It is fine as is.  For a DD to have successfully capped out evinces multiple levels of failure on the enemy team.

 

Agreed...your team failed not the mechanics of the game.