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Have Halsey and Yamamoto from the campaigns, both nice to have but kinda meh. Their major talents only proc after you've slaughtered the other team, so not particularly useful. Also have a couple of the mini-specials like Honore, mostly for the improved AR or fire chance. 

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Kuznetsov seems like a no-brainer for the emergency recovery talent alone. A Neustrashimy would basically become invincible.

Lutjens also seems very strong. In a Z-52, the heal would be darned useful and the reload increase would be pretty easy to trigger. And the secondary boost in a Schlieffen....

Sansonetti, middling. The range increase could be cool. Two kills in a Venezia and you're slinging SAP from 20km. Also might be very good for the upcoming RM DDs, which are currently looking at 8-9km max range. Another negative here is that he's only obtainable through gambleboxes.

Swirski is in the same category as Sansonetti, but I might prefer him just for the AR boost. I love AR in my Friesland, which is built out with a 21-point full-dakka captain. I've had full health Yugumos open up on me because I was at 15-20% and been able to 100-0 them in seconds. Objectively this is a smaller benefit than Sansonetti's, but since I play Friesland a good bit it might be personally better.

Of these Kuznetsov is probably the favorite, if only because I play Soviet ships more than German.

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I think you covered the major 4 (plus Yamamoto and Halsey) to get. Some of the other captains seem very meh. Getting one of the Rong brothers isn't bad idea b/c they are cheap and at least provide some extra health for the PA DDs. Wouldn't use Swirski though on Friesland, he is pretty much built for the torpedo boats.

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Kuznetsov is a must have. And Gunther is cool as well, I was running him on my elbing for that reload buff but since moved him over to Schlieffen.

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If you get an opportunity to get Adm. Lütjens, and you play German ships regularly, don't delay. He's worth it.

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29 minutes ago, JamesTomb said:

Another negative here is that he's only obtainable through gambleboxes.

For coal, so that's less gamble and more pick and shovel. You'll get him eventually and it won't cost you a cent. Good if you're heavily invested in Italian cruisers because he has the boosted gun-feeder skill and can swap between HE (Napoli, Duca cruisers)/SAP and AP very quickly when someone shows broadside. I got him from the launch event.

Lutjens gets more useful the more German premiums you have, and the more types (Cruiser, DD, BB, CV) you have. With GK becoming a coal ship soon, those of you who like her and want to put him on her BUT also want him for something else (e.g. a destroyer) can now have your wish.

Kuznetsov is next on my list, for the auto-regeneration feature. I have the coal, but I'm waiting until my Khaba becomes a coal ship.

I got Swirski through the temporary campaign; it seems to me his perfect match is for Halland. That's where mine is going eventually, but I suspect that if I'd never obtained him in that way I might have a low priority for paying coal for him.

 

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A Znamensky makes Gremy comfortable to play due to the enhanced GTG skill. 

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Is Aboyneau, the French captain still available? He's pretty good as well. 

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1 hour ago, JamesTomb said:

Another negative here is that he's only obtainable through gambleboxes.

The average number of lootboxes needed to obtain Sansonetti is 25.55 which makes him actually cheaper than 175k coal (the price of other legendary commanders). And you get some extra stuff from these boxes on top of the commander.

Also don't forget about his improved expert loader skill that pushes any cruiser or battleship he commands to a new level.

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13 minutes ago, Yamashiro42 said:

The average number of lootboxes needed to obtain Sansonetti is 25.55 which makes him actually cheaper than 175k coal (the price of other legendary commanders). And you get some extra stuff from these boxes on top of the commander.

Also don't forget about his improved expert loader skill that pushes any cruiser or battleship he commands to a new level.

it's a gamble, i saw people complained all boxes are dupes, max cost will be something like 300k, and bigger problem is there's no premium italian ships that are great that i want to spend that much coal to put him in, so until there are better ships, wait and see

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Lutgens is probably the best one due to his wide ranging versatility.  He works well in every class of the game....in fact he's so good I wish there were two of him.... I'd love to have him in Schleiffen, but he's too good in Hindy to pull him out of it. 

For second I'd say a three way tie between Sansonetti, Cunningham, Kuznet....depend on which ships you like to play.  Sansonetti is easy to proc in Venezia, Cunningham makes Thunderer even more OP (sub 20 second reloads is nuts), and Kuznet can boost just about any ship.... but I'll say his talents while easiest to proc are also probably the weakest.  His emergency heal usually will only save your bacon in ships like Kremlin or Staly... even in Petro most of time I see the flair go it just extends their life another for another salvo or two. 

Isn't too bad either, but I find his perks to be active usually only late game (and we're getting less long games by the day) or somewhat hard to notice.  A 1% fire chance is nice and all, but it's hard to know if it helped you or not.  His dev strike perk though makes him worth getting but I'd say only after the others above or if you really like Baguette DDs or Bourgogne.

Swirski is the most situational and last on my list.  He really only helps Halland or Oster.

BTW - Sansonetti is currently obtained through containers.... if you get good RNG, you can possibly get him for less coal than the others. 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, YouSatInGum said:

BTW - Sansonetti is currently obtained through containers.... if you get good RNG, you can possibly get him for less coal than the others

Even with reasonably bad RNG he is still cheaper.

For 175k coal you can have theoretical 29.1667 boxes. The chance of not getting Sansonetti from 29 boxes is about 4.4%

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I'd say the ones I get most use out of are Cunningham in Daring/Thunderer, Lutjens in all KM premium BBs and Z and Sanosetti in Ven. Yamamoto is also good but I have him in my Mush where I occasionally get first kill and krakens which activate his best skills. 

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I don't have the 175k captains yet.  I do have some of the cheaper ones.  Here's my take on them.

 

TOP TIER

Honore (France):  Excellent.  Grease the gears and AR are both staples for BB builds.  He can also be picked up pretty cheap via containers.  A no brainer to get if you're working French BB line, or have a nice premium like Dunkerque or Jean Bart.

Doe (USN):  Ideal for heavy cruisers and super cruisers where proper ammo selection is key.  Not bad for BBs.

 

SOLID

Suzuki (IJN):  Abilities synergize nicely with DD or CV play.  Survivability expert is pretty much standard for both.

Rong (Pan Asian):  Two good skills that work nicely with DDs.  More fires and more HPs are always good.

 

MEH

Znamensky (RUS):  Not great, not terrible.  The Russian BBs come with a fast cooldown on damage control anyways so emergency repair specialist is not really needed.  If you intend to take PM and GtG then ok for BBs or maybe cruisers.

Dunkirk (RN):  Ok.  For DDs consumables enhancement is alright; more smoke is always good, but with the short RN smoke grenades the 12.5% boost is really just a few seconds.  For cruisers, GtG and the consumables buffs are better.  More hydro is always welcome and the cruisers need smoke even more than the DDs do to survive.  I almost put Dunkirk into the "solid" tier but I just have a hard time getting excited about the skills.

Jutland (KMS):  Meh.  Consumables specialist is trash, especially for a KMS BB.  Vigilance is underwhelming for BBs.  I took him for the upper tier KMS BBs to stack vigilance with hydro for uber torpedo detection but its not strictly necessary.

 

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3 hours ago, JamesTomb said:

Sansonetti, middling. The range increase could be cool. Two kills in a Venezia and you're slinging SAP from 20km.

1. Only takes one kill with Sansonetti to get the range benefit

2. With the range mod installed in the upgrade slot, you have 19.9 km range all the time.

 I run Italian ships a lot. GC is virtually a guarantee of activating that skill every time out. Roma does, most of the time. Venizia, not as often, but it tends to activate Sansonetti’s other “triggered” skills more often.

I put Sansonetti second only to the Russian KutzNutzoff in usefulness.

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I would say Lutgens first. There are so many German ships that he works with. With the new line of secondary BBs, he just makes them more fun. Works well in Mainz and Munchen as well. Kutzenov would be my second choice or the French admiral who would do very well in any French DD. Really depends on the Nationalities that you favor.  Number of premiums that you own are important too because you can switch out a 21 point commander at no cost. 

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I'd say that all have their value - if you can activate their talents.  I have all of them save Cunningham and Aboyneaux, and have hesitated to get those two because I'm not sure how frequently I would trigger their talents.  Aboyneaux seems tailored for the French DDs, which I am not very good in. 

Lutjens is great in multiple ship types, Kuznetsov is good though his 'save me' heal often just delays the inevitable by a few seconds.  Sansonetti is great on the Italian cruisers IMO, though he can also work in the BBs.  Swirzky is ideal for the high tier IKEA DDs; you can really shave some time off the Halland torpedo reload.  Halsey and Yamamoto I have but don't seem to trigger their talents very often. 

Many of the captains with enhanced skills are quite nice too; the Does, Rongs, Suzukis, Michiel de Ruyter, etc.  Not a fan of the German ones, they seem to have gotten less beneficial enhancements (Vigilance and consumable reload IIRC). 

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2 hours ago, Uncle_Lou said:

I'd say that all have their value - if you can activate their talents.  I have all of them save Cunningham and Aboyneaux, and have hesitated to get those two because I'm not sure how frequently I would trigger their talents.  Aboyneaux seems tailored for the French DDs, which I am not very good in. 

Lutjens is great in multiple ship types, Kuznetsov is good though his 'save me' heal often just delays the inevitable by a few seconds.  Sansonetti is great on the Italian cruisers IMO, though he can also work in the BBs.  Swirzky is ideal for the high tier IKEA DDs; you can really shave some time off the Halland torpedo reload.  Halsey and Yamamoto I have but don't seem to trigger their talents very often. 

Many of the captains with enhanced skills are quite nice too; the Does, Rongs, Suzukis, Michiel de Ruyter, etc.  Not a fan of the German ones, they seem to have gotten less beneficial enhancements (Vigilance and consumable reload IIRC).  

Yamamoto's talents are kinda meh cause they rarely activate, but the enhanced skills are useful, especially traverse.

Vigilance used to be more useful before they cut down on the classes that can use it though.

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Gunther.

 

Gunther.

 

Gunther. lolz.

Halsey is the hardest. Confederate by shooting at 6+ enemies is something I never did get. Not at the required thresholds anyway to activate him. I was chased by a Iowa once that had a Halsey in it that got activated and started reloading really fast. My little runt Prinz Eugen was no contest until I find a island to ambush him with torps. He did not sail in. He knew better.

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Definitely  QUAN RONG & DA RONG, because having those 2 CV skills is just so important as a Pan-Asian captain...

 

/s  lame WG

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13 hours ago, Yamashiro42 said:

Even with reasonably bad RNG he is still cheaper.

For 175k coal you can have theoretical 29.1667 boxes. The chance of not getting Sansonetti from 29 boxes is about 4.4%

Perhaps during the upcoming Italian DD event they're going to give out free containers again (like they did during the Italian BB event), so I'm going to wait until after they event to buy those containers to get Sansonetti.

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15 hours ago, Pugilistic said:

A Znamensky makes Gremy comfortable to play due to the enhanced GTG skill. 

This is my go-to commander for RU cruisers in Clan Battles, since Kuznetsov's talents don't trigger there and he doesn't have any particularly useful enhanced skills for cruisers. Znamensky at least has the enhanced Grease the Gears skill and those enhanced skills work even in Clan Battles.

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9 hours ago, DolphinPrincess said:

Thanks so much for your perspective. A question and an observation:

- With the Schlieffen now released do you still think that Lütjens is best placed on the Hindenburg?

- Re. Kuznetsov: His "Will for Victory" talent has saved my bacon a number of times in ranked, but I am a barely average player. Perhaps the better a player you are, the less useful this talent is?

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