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Speed Boost NERFS Incomparable's Acceleration

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Encountered this "issue" when determining whether or not BRISK improves the acceleration of the INCOMPARABLE.

I was quite amazed to find that activating SPEED BOOST (Engine Boost) significantly decreases (nerfs) the Incomparable's acceleration.  Needless to say, I find it hard to believe the observed behavior reflects what was intended.

INCOMPARABLE without the BRISK commander skill:
  Observed max speed
    w/ flag and
    w/ speed boost  :  37.3 kts

  Base Max Speed   = 33.0
  33.0 * 1.08      = 35.64 (+2.64) SPEED BOOST ACTIVE
  33.0 * 1.05      = 34.65 (+1.65) SPEED FLAG/SIGNAL
  33 + 2.64 + 1.65 = 37.29 (which corresponds to observed max speed)

           SPEED BOOST:  (max 37.3kts)
                         -------- -------- ----------
                         0-15kts  0-30kts  0-37.3kts
                         -------- -------- ----------
               RUN #01:  11.9s    25.8s    63.8s
               RUN #02:  11.9s    25.7s    63.9s
               RUN #03:  11.9s    25.9s    64.0s

        NO SPEED BOOST:  (max 34.6kts)
                         -------- -------- ----------
                         0-15kts  0-30kts  0-34.6kts
                         -------- -------- ----------
               RUN #01:  6.6s     21.6s    55.8s
               RUN #02: ~7.1s     21.8s    55.8s

  ** RESULTS APPEAR TO INDICATE THERE IS A BUG WITH SPEED BOOST.
     I.E., WHEN ACTIVE, THE INCOMPARABLE TAKES MORE TIME TO REACH
     15 KNOTS as well as 30 KNOTS.
=======================================================================

INCOMPARABLE WITH BRISK:
  Observed max speed when BRISK active
    w/ flag and
    w/ speed boost  :  40.8 kts

  33.0 * 1.08      = 35.64 (+2.64)
  33.0 * 1.05      = 34.65 (+1.65)
  33.0 * 1.10      = 36.3  (+3.3 )
  33 + 2.64 + 1.65
     + 3.3         = 40.59 ** which DOES NOT correspond
                              to observed max speed!

  40.755 = ((33.0 + 1.65) * 1.10) + 2.64
  ** which does correspond to observed max speed.
     So BRISK appears to be applied to the
     base speed w/ the speed flag's additional 5% boost!

           SPEED BOOST:  (max 40.8kts)
                         -------- -------- ---------- ---------
                         0-15kts  0-30kts  0-34.6kts  0-40.8kts
                         -------- -------- ---------- ---------
               RUN #01:  10.9s    22.1s    27.1s      58.9s
               RUN #02:  11.1s    21.8s    27.0s      58.1s

        NO SPEED BOOST:  (max 38.1kts)
                         -------- -------- ---------- ---------
                         0-15kts  0-30kts  0-34.6kts  0-38.1kts
                         -------- -------- ---------- ---------
               RUN #01:  5.7s     18.3s    26.1s      52.4s
               RUN #02: ~6.0s     18.0s    26.0s      52.8s

  ** AS WHEN RUNNING WITHOUT BRISK, THE
     RESULTS APPEAR TO INDICATE THERE IS A BUG WITH SPEED BOOST.
     I.E., WHEN ACTIVE, THE INCOMPARABLE TAKES MORE TIME TO REACH
     15 KNOTS as well as 30 KNOTS.
=======================================================================

Unlike the INCOMPARABLE, SPEED BOOST improves both ACCELERATION and
MAX SPEED for the KLEBER.

KLEBER w/ Speed Flag:
                   --------- --------- ----------- ------------
                   0-20 kts  0-30 kts  0-46.1 kts  0-55.1 kts
                   --------- --------- ----------- ------------
   NO SPEED BOOST:
          RUN #01:  ~6.1s     ~9.6s     ~36.0s     N/A
          RUN #02:  ~6.2s     ~9.8s     ~35.8s     N/A

 WITH SPEED BOOST:
          RUN #01:  ~4.1s     ~6.5s     ~12.2s     ~42.1s
          RUN #02:  ~4.3s     ~6.4s     ~12.2s     ~42.1s

=======================================================================

 

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Was wondering this myself. Looks like you did the math to prove it, great job! Hope WG will fix it now.

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15 minutes ago, Condor_Legion said:

Hope WG will fix it now.

Does WG consider it a bug? 

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3 minutes ago, sdj_2016 said:

Does WG consider it a bug

They may always call it a feature.

But more seriously, as Incomparable is the first ship with RN CLs' acceleration gimmick AND speed boost it might easily be some bug in the code, that has not yet had a chance to be discovered.

Oh, wait, Cossack also has speed boost AND improved acceleration. Can you test her too, @ObnoxiousPotato?

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1 minute ago, Yamashiro42 said:

Oh, wait, Cossack also has speed boost AND improved acceleration. Can you test her too, @ObnoxiousPotato?

I'll probably take a look at it tomorrow (or wait and see what WG has to say about it).  :)

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8 hours ago, Yamashiro42 said:

Can you test her too, @ObnoxiousPotato?

The GALLANT is also "British" and has Speed (Engine) Boost.

The effect of Speed Boost improves the acceleration for both the COSSACK and GALLANT, as well as increases the maximum speed by 8%.  So it seems much more likely that the "decreased acceleration" observed for the INCOMPARABLE when Speed Boost is active, is indeed a "bug".

=======================================================================
COSSACK:
                   --------- --------- ----------- ------------
                   0-15 kts  0-25 kts  0-37.9 kts  0-40.8 kts
                   --------- --------- ----------- ------------
   NO SPEED BOOST:  ~4.0s     ~5.5s     ~31.3s     N/A
 WITH SPEED BOOST:  ~3.7s     ~4.9s     ~11.2s     ~29.5s
=======================================================================
GALLANT:
                   --------- --------- ----------- ------------
                   0-15 kts  0-25 kts  0-37.9 kts  0-40.8 kts
                   --------- --------- ----------- ------------
   NO SPEED BOOST:  ~4.9s     ~8.5s     ~36.8s     N/A
 WITH SPEED BOOST:  ~4.0s     ~6.9s     ~15.1s     ~32.7s
=======================================================================
NOTE: For both COSSACK and GALLANT, the game's port UI lists the
      maximum speed (with speed flag) as 37.8 knots -- which is 0.1 knots
      slower than the value displayed when in battle
at max speed.

Base speed: 36 knots
            36 * 1.05 = 37.8  (+1.8)  <-- for speed flag
            36 * 1.08 = 38.88 (+2.88) <-- speed boost
            (36 + 1.8) * 1.08 = 40.824
            So like the INCOMPARABLE, speed boost bonus is applied
            to the base speed with the 5% speed flag bonus.
=======================================================================

 

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51 minutes ago, ObnoxiousPotato said:

The GALLANT is also "British" and has Speed (Engine) Boost.

The effect of Speed Boost improves the acceleration for both the COSSACK and GALLANT, as well as increases the maximum speed by 8%.  So it seems much more likely that the "decreased acceleration" observed for the INCOMPARABLE when Speed Boost is active, is indeed a "bug".

=======================================================================
COSSACK:
                   --------- --------- ----------- ------------
                   0-15 kts  0-25 kts  0-37.9 kts  0-40.8 kts
                   --------- --------- ----------- ------------
   NO SPEED BOOST:  ~4.0s     ~5.5s     ~31.3s     N/A
 WITH SPEED BOOST:  ~3.7s     ~4.9s     ~11.2s     ~29.5s
=======================================================================
GALLANT:
                   --------- --------- ----------- ------------
                   0-15 kts  0-25 kts  0-37.9 kts  0-40.8 kts
                   --------- --------- ----------- ------------
   NO SPEED BOOST:  ~4.9s     ~8.5s     ~36.8s     N/A
 WITH SPEED BOOST:  ~4.0s     ~6.9s     ~15.1s     ~32.7s
=======================================================================
NOTE: For both COSSACK and GALLANT, the game's port UI lists the
      maximum speed (with speed flag) as 37.8 knots -- which is 0.1 knots
      slower than the value displayed when in battle
at max speed.

Base speed: 36 knots
            36 * 1.05 = 37.8  (+1.8)  <-- for speed flag
            36 * 1.08 = 38.88 (+2.88) <-- speed boost
            (36 + 1.8) * 1.08 = 40.824
            So like the INCOMPARABLE, speed boost bonus is applied
            to the base speed with the 5% speed flag bonus.
=======================================================================

 

Thanks a lot!

(Btw Gallant is an old premium, released before the gimmicky researchable RN DD line, so she does NOT have their built-in improved acceleration.)

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