Subs are killing gameplay in ranked.

[Supercharged1110]

Either you are plagued by having crappy sub players on your team, or you are frustrated playing against sub captains with half a brain on the other team. A bad sub captain is, well, pretty terrible. A good one can be a thorn in the side. They have made ranked quite frustrating to play. The homing ability of the torpedoes is too powerful (and far fetched). As a surface ship, the only method of protection is to use your Damage Control consumable to somehow, "wash away invisible sonar pings"... Sounds pretty stupid because it is. Surface ships beware, especially cruisers and BBs, if your damage control party is not available and you have been double pinged, you are screwed. Subs have become surprisingly good cap bullies. Their ability to be able to spot and report the position of surface ships without even being at periscope depth blows my mind. I believe DDs are suffering the most. Now they must worry about, capping, CV planes and subs all in one game. I hope this class never makes it to randoms.

[LastoftheFallen]

Getting double pinged by sonar while hiding in a smoke screen, makes being inside smoke a death trap when the homing torps appear at near point blank range.

[wyoedbrown]

I have not wanted to pay Ranked Battles this season,  mainly because I don't want to deal with subs. I play against them in co-op, but bots are generally stupid and predictable. I, too, do not want to see them in Ranked, Random, or Clan Battles ever. I think they have a place in their own game mode, like was done with the "super" BBs in Grand Battles. 

[Wolfswetpaws]

17 minutes ago, LastoftheFallen said:

Getting double pinged by sonar while hiding in a smoke screen, makes being inside smoke a death trap when the homing torps appear at near point blank range.

Smoke-screens are torpedo-magnets anyway.  :-)

[CapnCazuul]

Agree w/the OP. Playing (at least as a DD) in Ranked right now is quite frustrating. The ping mitigation mechanism is ludicrous and makes Repair Party useless for, you know, repair... and the guided torps are just... well no way say it politely... fecal garbage. I have made it to 7 but I don't know if I'm gonna continue, this is supposed to be fun not... I don't know what it is, but it's not fun.

I really hope subs don't come to Randoms.

[alexf24]

Subs are killing Ranked. Exactly as intended, or so it seems.

I am done with Ranked. No fun when subs are in it.

In case WG has not seen my previous postings. I am staying while it is fun. My wallet is now closed as of the CC non-apology.

Having coop extend with a boring hunt for a lone hidden sub-bot is no fun, but still playable. Ranked is off now. Keep going WG. 

[Impitoyable_5929_x]

I'm glad you're not the only one to have the same thought. I used to get to the silver league within 30 games before the f-word st*pid subs come out. Now I still get stuck around R5 ~ R4 after 60 battles of extremely painful struggle. Since T6 ranked with subs can be that terrible, I can't really imagine how "incredible" it can be in T10 ranked. 

For this, I've changed my mind: if I can't make it to the qualification before Sprint 1 ends, I won't touch ranked battles again after receiving the worthless 1200 steels for the sake of my mental health and heart unless my masochism strikes. 

If WG is courageous enough to strongly push subs in random battles, I won't hesitate to quit the game. 

[arch4random]

with the payout that T6 gives with no signals or flags mounted and the experiment wows is running right now in ranks ...its just not worth my time to play ranks .. its a boring mode now ...i even jumped on a sub as a passenger and was not impressed ..i just cant find a positive thing to say about subs ...

think i will play ranks until the reset ...then play randoms  only ..  if they put subs in randoms  i would stop playing altogether .

not looking for boring game play and it has become that in ranks 

[Bill_Halsey]

I hear you,  stuck at R3 right now after playing the whole day.

but my issue is the number of spuds you tm with...

Your not going to win any high HP scores. Oh, I found out ramming works.  You ram a dd or a sub and live.

[BrianDavion]

5 hours ago, LastoftheFallen said:

Getting double pinged by sonar while hiding in a smoke screen, makes being inside smoke a death trap when the homing torps appear at near point blank range.

if you're getting doubkle pinged in a smoke screen you should be sub hunting. 

[myndpyre]

If you come out of the smoke to go sub hunting, everything you pissed off while being in the smoke is going to kill you.   

[XVirtusX]

People are so dramatic. I'm not having problems dealing with subs in any way. Very few people actually knows how to play them. In about 50 games in this ranked season so far, I was maybe killed twice by a sub. I played today as a sub and I actually liked it, got some decent damage and so on. There are still some tweaks to be made, of course. It's not a finished thing yet ppl, just don't jump to conclusions yet. Ppl were saying dutch cruisers were going to ruin the game. Are you having problems with the dutch cruisers? Yeah, me neither.

A lot of youtubers like to create dramatic videos about how a new feature will "kill the game". I specifically remember Flamu video were he showed how "broken" the dutchs were.

[YouSatInGum]

27 minutes ago, XVirtusX said:

People are so dramatic. I'm not having problems dealing with subs in any way. Very few people actually knows how to play them. In about 50 games in this ranked season so far, I was maybe killed twice by a sub. I played today as a sub and I actually liked it, got some decent damage and so on. There are still some tweaks to be made, of course. It's not a finished thing yet ppl, just don't jump to conclusions yet. Ppl were saying dutch cruisers were going to ruin the game. Are you having problems with the dutch cruisers? Yeah, me neither.

A lot of youtubers like to create dramatic videos about how a new feature will "kill the game". I specifically remember Flamu video were he showed how "broken" the dutchs were.

I'm not jumping to any conclusion.... but I am sure I am not liking ranked play as much as I normally do and subs are a big piece of that.  They really screw up trying to manage concealment which makes life hard for DDs and Cruisers.

[monarch09]

As usual, another new class to just add problems to the basic mix ... that use to work and was even fun.

Hey the cvs are perfect now... AA is great.... and balanced. 

Whatever. No money spent anymore by me. Nothing lost. There are enough idiots putting money into the game to keep it on life support. You can even get your 7 year old trained to gamble. 

Get a new premium! Spend that cash. That will give you that 60% win rate... LOL. 

It is hilarious the money that is spent here....play the game, have fun as you can. Just dont waste you cash on it. 

 

[Compassghost]

Subs have been making the experience interesting, but it's apparent a lot of people in ranked are trying the subs with zero experience. It's a complete massacre.

[vak_]

6 hours ago, Supercharged1110 said:

I hope this class never makes it to randoms.

Don’t worry, it’ll be shoehorned in one way or another. 

[Wye_So_Serious]

55 minutes ago, Compassghost said:

Subs have been making the experience interesting

I’m sure being in the direct path of a hurricane or tornado or runaway train could be construed as “interesting” as well but I’m certain I don’t to experience  those either.

[ArIskandir]

6 hours ago, LastoftheFallen said:

Getting double pinged by sonar while hiding in a smoke screen, makes being inside smoke a death trap when the homing torps appear at near point blank range.

That's kinda good, smoke spam is cheap 

6 hours ago, wyoedbrown said:

I have not wanted to pay Ranked Battles this season,  mainly because I don't want to deal with subs. I play against them in co-op, but bots are generally stupid and predictable. I, too, do not want to see them in Ranked, Random, or Clan Battles ever. I think they have a place in their own game mode, like was done with the "super" BBs in Grand Battles. 

Winter is coming mate. Better learn to deal with them while most are learning the ropes, they can be counterplayed. It will be harder once Sub captains get experience.

6 hours ago, CapnCazuul said:

Agree w/the OP. Playing (at least as a DD) in Ranked right now is quite frustrating. The ping mitigation mechanism is ludicrous and makes Repair Party useless for, you know, repair... and the guided torps are just... well no way say it politely... fecal garbage. I have made it to 7 but I don't know if I'm gonna continue, this is supposed to be fun not... I don't know what it is, but it's not fun.

I really hope subs don't come to Randoms.

In my experience, playing DDs is more or less the same, if anything Subs can relief DDs from cap duty. You just play a more support oriented role, surviving until late match becomes even more critical. 

1 hour ago, YouSatInGum said:

I'm not jumping to any conclusion.... but I am sure I am not liking ranked play as much as I normally do and subs are a big piece of that.  They really screw up trying to manage concealment which makes life hard for DDs and Cruisers.

Concealment games and Cap contest will indeed change dramatically, but not necessarily in a bad way. I think Subs will help to "unlock" matches, I'm finding they can spearhead pushes really nice, they can be excellent central pivots and can free DDs to work the flanks. It is yet too early of course, but imo the ride might be interesting.

50 minutes ago, Compassghost said:

Subs have been making the experience interesting, but it's apparent a lot of people in ranked are trying the subs with zero experience. It's a complete massacre.

Enjoy the "Happy Time", this is the summer of '40. They'll learn (well, just being optimistic here), it won't last. 

26 minutes ago, vak_ said:

Don’t worry, it’ll be shoehorned in one way or another. 

TBH, Randoms will be the perfect habitat for Subs. With enough time and space at their disposal they'll shine. 

[Murcc]

Well, a lot of good ranked games were ruined today.     Subs are either top of the scoring, or bottom.   The win usually indicates which was on your team.  I have been playing BBs.  I discovered that you can't launch planes  at subs if subs are within a short radius of your ship.  So, they can come in close and then torp you with high speed torps without fearing your air launched depth charges.  DDs and CAs are typically gone early because they just yolo into caps and die for no good use.  It used to be that even a yolo cap run was at least somewhat useful because you could at least shoot the ships that were targeting your yoloers.  Even if you didn't kill them, you could still deal with them later in the game.  Now, when they die, you are done.  You can't deal with subs without them.

[ArIskandir]

1 minute ago, Murcc said:

Well, a lot of good ranked games were ruined today.     Subs are either top of the scoring, or bottom.   The win usually indicates which was on your team. 

You can be reasonably sure that Sub players that land top score, would land top score all the same in other ship types. I can positively assure you, it is easier to carry games in other ship types. Subs can be powerful but they are not incredibly flexible and can be countered quite hard by good players. 

6 minutes ago, Murcc said:

  So, they can come in close and then torp you with high speed torps without fearing your air launched depth charges.  

This is just plain wrong, any BB is faster than a submerged Submarine and can reposition as needed. From operational depth, the torps need at least 2 km to "climb" to surface and I'm fairly sure the minimun range for Airstrikes is something along those lines. 

[Murcc]

1 minute ago, ArIskandir said:

You can be reasonably sure that Sub players that land top score, would land top score all the same in other ship types. I can positively assure you, it is easier to carry games in other ship types. Subs can be powerful but they are not incredibly flexible and can be countered quite hard by good players. 

This is just plain wrong, any BB is faster than a submerged Submarine and can reposition as needed. From operational depth, the torps need at least 2 km to "climb" to surface and I'm fairly sure the minimun range for Airstrikes is something along those lines. 

A good sub player would probably be good in any ship, but at least you feel you have a fighting chance against them in any other ship.

If you need to contest a cap, then you can't run away from the area or you lose.  The sub can dictate where you need to engage him, even if he is slow.  Repositioning isn't always easy in some games given the location of islands and caps.

[paradat]

8 hours ago, Supercharged1110 said:

Either you are plagued by having crappy sub players on your team, or you are frustrated playing against sub captains with half a brain on the other team. A bad sub captain is, well, pretty terrible. A good one can be a thorn in the side. They have made ranked quite frustrating to play. The homing ability of the torpedoes is too powerful (and far fetched). As a surface ship, the only method of protection is to use your Damage Control consumable to somehow, "wash away invisible sonar pings"... Sounds pretty stupid because it is. Surface ships beware, especially cruisers and BBs, if your damage control party is not available and you have been double pinged, you are screwed. Subs have become surprisingly good cap bullies. Their ability to be able to spot and report the position of surface ships without even being at periscope depth blows my mind. I believe DDs are suffering the most. Now they must worry about, capping, CV planes and subs all in one game. I hope this class never makes it to randoms.

Sounds like normal ranked

 

[Delicious_Flat_Chest]

I think the issue with rank is that everyone's running dd to counter subs which leads to lopsided matches since let's be honest, the average player sucks at dd and suicides to try to kill the sub and that leads to the blowouts.

[Zaydin]

You should change your title to 'Potatoes are killing ranked'. Because bad players are let into ranked and are active deteriments to their teams. Had a game earlier where a Duca D'Acosta on my team was having a temper tantrum due to being on a losing streak and so they just suicided right into the enemy team. We won in spite of that, thankfully, but it would be karmic if behavior like that cost you a star even if your team won.

[Bill_Halsey]

Had an epicenter match when we had the ship and point advantage. And we had control of the epicenter. someone typed "Go dark"  and a BB and A CA ran away to the corners. The left a dd and myself in a CA left to defend the cap and none of the duo even fired.  I asked why they left and the response was "gong dark"