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[crazyeightyfive]

It's honestly sickening, the Forums these days.

Way too many white-knights screeching about LWM, way too many people snivelling about Missouri, or loot boxes.  Way too many people looking to complain about every poorly-translated comment, or post, or out-of-place apostrophe in everything WG says.

If some of you screeching goblins put half as much effort into playing the game as you do furiously beating your hate-boners over it, you wouldn't have anymore fodder for "The MM screwed me over!" or "Russians are eeeeeviilllll!"

Actually look at the top two or three pages in these Forums.  It's disgusting.  So much effort wasted, by people who probably think "Crossing the 'T' " is a viable WoWs tactic.  I ran out of 'boring' reactions in about two minutes.

I thought the average age around here was like 40?

All evidence to the contrary apparently.

[vikingno2]

Lol complaining about people complaining, to show you are against complaining lol

 

hope you see the irony in that

[Skuggsja]

7 minutes ago, crazyeightyfive said:

It's honestly sickening, the Forums these days.

Way too many white-knights screeching about LWM, way too many people snivelling about Missouri, or loot boxes.  Way too many people looking to complain about every poorly-translated comment, or post, or out-of-place apostrophe in everything WG says.

If some of you screeching goblins put half as much effort into playing the game as you do furiously beating your hate-boners over it, you wouldn't have anymore fodder for "The MM screwed me over!" or "Russians are eeeeeviilllll!"

Actually look at the top two or three pages in these Forums.  It's disgusting.  So much effort wasted, by people who probably think "Crossing the 'T' " is a viable WoWs tactic.  I ran out of 'boring' reactions in about two minutes.

I thought the average age around here was like 40?

All evidence to the contrary apparently.

You are my spirit animal this week.

I feel the same way. Im not thrilled with WG regardless, but these 40 year old men are throwing the biggest tantrums.

I dont like that LWM was treated poorly and I'm not a fan of all the monetization tactics. However, this is far from the end of the world to me.

What I am truly riled up about is how horribly some CCs that didnt quit have been treated by the community. I'm also annoyed at match qaulity of players than can complain to no end about balance but throw away their ships in the opening minutes of the game. Finally I'm annoyed that so much of the community is so selfish, disillusioned, and fanatical  but tries to hide it behind false virtue signaling.

 

[Skuggsja]

4 minutes ago, vikingno2 said:

Lol complaining about people complaining, to show you are against complaining lol

 

hope you see the irony in that

At this point why not? Apparently that's all the forum is for now.

[z9_]

19 minutes ago, crazyeightyfive said:

I thought the average age around here was like 40?

The game is designed for 7 year-olds. Try to fit in please.

[Raven114]

If you have been here from the beginning you would have seen the constant lying and deception that has transpired, the past 5 years so a little frustration will occur. LWM has donated more time and energy to the player base than WG ever did.

[vikingno2]

5 minutes ago, Skuggsja said:

At this point why not? Apparently that's all the forum is for now.

Noticed you didn't refute the point I brought up lol 

[Skuggsja]

Just now, vikingno2 said:

Noticed you didn't refute the point I brought up lol 

Haha nah, I am aware of how much I complain as well. I just like to complain about in-game mechanics more than business practices or balance. Like right now, I'm typing a post about Research Bureau sucking. I'm sure it'll get downvoted to oblivion like many of my complaints that arent insanely negative toward WarGaming.

[SkaerKrow]

Oh hey look, an angry apologist who knows that they’re on the losing side. Yawn. 

[Asym_KS]

Oh GoD, here we go again...... 

[vikingno2]

2 minutes ago, Skuggsja said:

Haha nah, I am aware of how much I complain as well. I just like to complain about in-game mechanics more than business practices or balance. Like right now, I'm typing a post about Research Bureau sucking. I'm sure it'll get downvoted to oblivion like many of my complaints that arent insanely negative toward WarGaming.

Yeah I don't like how the RB kinda murdered the Free XP ships.  

[Skuggsja]

20 minutes ago, vikingno2 said:

Yeah I don't like how the RB kinda murdered the Free XP ships.  

I dont want to derail this thread anymore but here's a link to the thing I just posted if you want to talk there.

[anonym_dwPXzz2asd6M]

Sub-O is that you?

[iBrowEcc0]

I seen plenty of grandpas/dads mentioned they play with their grandkids/kids in this game.

[anonym_dwPXzz2asd6M]

You are correct OP, we should all just shut up and be happy that WG exists, it's not as if they have done anything to deserve any of this "complaining" that we are doing...

Alabama-Gate - Back when there was barely any premium ships and I want to think the only T8 BB was Tirpitz at the time, WG wanted to compensate supertesters with a unique ship for their dedication to testing the game (which they deserve), but the ship they would receive would be Alabama ST, with no words before of the regular players getting an Alabama. The outrage led to Alabama being added to the game promptly for the rest of the players.

Clash of the Elements- event that was the PR grind before the PR grind for a Kamikaze. Had to make the game a full time job to get her.

Attempted nerfing of Gulio Cesare - was a pitch to players to make pulled premiums available again by nerfing and balancing premium ships. The first target for this was the Cesare which was tested to see how she would perform at T6 instead of T5. Outrage was incredible for its time and prevented it (a shame too. Probably would have had a better game). However this happened RIGHT AFTER the Christmas loot boxes that had people gamble for her in her broken state as part of the selling point to buy them, trying to resolve a problem but making money first.

Adding desired items behind loot boxes - started with the Azur lane collaboration. Some didn’t care too much because weebs, but it was clearly the beginning.

Update that changed how shells interacted with armor - a nice change but it’s main downside was it breaking German battleships (yes, they used to be extremely good)

Graf Zeppelin - she was nerfed at the last minute before release, breaking the ship. This was after all the reviews on her were posted. WG gated her for over a year testing her until the carrier rework before being made available again

T9s available for purchase - a broken promise and it started with Jean Bart

New lines being monetized instead of just being added - can’t remember if this started with the British Destroyers I think… remember when they just dropped the entire line in with no shenanigans? Or at least back when they gave us a earnable premium ship per line?

Naval training center - prestige system that gave in match bonuses to players would either no lifed or bought their way into prestiging enough times to buff their ships.

Smolensk existing

Puerto Rico

Carrier Rework

Soviet BBs

Reworking IFHE to break the sub-T8 light cruisers that depended on it for damage

Adding the research bureau after the players said no to the original

Removing unique upgrade missions

Commander skill reword - Deadeye lol

Adding carriers to clan battles

Slava existing

Not allowing CCs to show off up and coming ships

Moskva players not being reimbursed for the dubs they spent on her premium camo(s) when she became a “special” ship (I WANT MY MONEY BACK WG!)

Shikishima being added, breaking the promise of no guns bigger than Yamato

The heartbreaking nerf to Agir (rest in peace secondary Agir. You were too pure for this world)

Kong and Godzilla lazy voiceovers

ichase being removed wrongly from the CC program

Slava being added

Christmas loot box shortlist

SELLING A T10 FOR DUBS - ARP Yamato

Carrier hybrids

AIRSTRIKES?!?!

Subs - another broken promise from launch

Subs in ranked on the live server

Subs underwater map interfering with torps and ships

Torpedo bug not being fixed

Yukon Disaster

Soviet carriers

SELLING A NON-WEEB T10 FOR ACTUAL MONEY - Napoli

Distant voyagers containers lie

Missouri credit earnings being nerfed into a mission

Missouri credit earnings discovered to actually be worse

Missouri then being locked behind loot boxes for a holiday

The CCs leave

Edit: First, thank you all for your support and comments. Knew y’all would help me with the ones I missed. Second, I’ll add ones y’all brought up to help the list feel more complete (and more insane to read):

Murmansk-Gate: first actual PR disaster during beta. She was available only through humble bundle and would not carry over to the live server. Ouch.

The OG ARP event: bunch of free premium kongos, myokos and an Atago behind an event grind. Missions differed between servers and NA had it really easy while EU had very difficult missions.

The OG Christmas convoys: NA only got the mission chain for tech tree ships, a camo for the Tirpitz and other goodies.

Christmas Santa Crates: the first loot boxes in the game before Azur lane. Gives you access to premium ships no longer available. However, this isn’t when new items where locked behind boxes (Azur lane).

Belfast existing: incredibly broken in release and was marketed as the competitive cruiser for T7 ranked. Those who still dared to play dd that season, you have my sympathies, and those that still did well, my utmost respect.

Stealth fire nerfs: back in the day, there was a bloom mechanic, where your detection bloomed out to a certain range when firing instead of your maximum firing range. This could allow certain ships to fire and remain undetected in open water with the right build and proper positioning. Silly mechanic but it’s removal messed with a lot of ships that relied upon it, blyskawica most notably.

YuYang nerfs: back in the day, this girl was the only dd option for early clan battles because of the radar. WG answered this issue with nerfing the guns and torps and NOT THE GIMMICK that made her competitively viable. There is a reason no one plays her now.

Benham event: brutal grind that required you to play every day to get this T9 torp god. It was in the summer so those of us who didn’t have a job then didn’t mind as much as those who did. Good thing they sold the solution to mend the gap.

Thunderer existing: often overshadowed by Smolensk as she was literal cancer to the game. Still she was still absurd and unhealthy for the game in her own right.

Removing signal flags being earnable after getting achievements: really guys?

Locking ships behind loot boxes: Agincourt and pulled Konig Albert and until we raged, Missouri

The money laundering scandal: apparently the middleman company our money passes through to wargaming whenever we make a purchase is being investigated for money laundering.

One note on the commander rework I should have added: broke a lot of ships and nerfed many ships, including premiums without touching their stats. Personal gripe for me is the super cruisers. Used to have 45 sec fires before becoming 60 to counterbalance people running fire prevention and basics of survivability on their Stalingrads.

Magic Radar that sees through islands.. they actually made a version in house that did not, but said it was to hard on cruisers... ( cough)

The NA Clan Cross Server Screwing - Clans blew holes in schedules to test early morning on Sat/Sun. Both time canceled at the last minute. Clans had jumped through hoops to clear schedules so they paid the price up front. Then WG refused to give these clans the award promised. Beyond that, attempts to explain why the NA Clans were upset were just rejected and ignored. It would have cost WG literally nothing but the time to add the awards to the users accounts, but they would not even listen. Huge wave of pissed off people on this move.

Nerfing the Atlanta's AA. It was a tinfoil monster.. hit it once and she blows up, but it had amazing AA and a well trained captain could make the guns work. .. but now... the AA over all is a joke, but they took away *the* item that made the Atlanta amazing.

Forcing the NA to hold it's own competitions because St Pete couldn't be bothered to support the NA

Ignoring every single piece of feedback ever given.

[BONJOVI_82]

I AGREE JUST PLAY. NOTHING REALLY IS GOING TO CHANGE.   AND I;M NOT FORTY I THINK I;M OLDEST OUT HERE I;M 82

[wildgooseman]

1 hour ago, z9_ said:

The game is designed for 7 year-olds. Try to fit in please.

Get it right.... 7 year olds with credit cards... 

[DrHolmes52]

2 hours ago, Skuggsja said:

Haha nah, I am aware of how much I complain as well. I just like to complain about in-game mechanics more than business practices or balance. Like right now, I'm typing a post about Research Bureau sucking. I'm sure it'll get downvoted to oblivion like many of my complaints that arent insanely negative toward WarGaming.

Then you are missing the point.  You state (in your RB thread) that the research bureau is about (re) grinding and spending resources.  That is working as intended.

Sure, WG could do things about mechanics, balance, encouraging skilled and competitive gameplay, but how does that benefit WG financially?  Compared to have endless grinds and resource sinks (and $80 premium ships and loot boxes).

This game is set up to hoover as much time and money as possible out of the player base.  

I'm not raging about what WG is or virtual signaling, but you are okay with one part of the game, but want this other part changed.  They are all the same part.

[Nevermore135]

People in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.

[Skuggsja]

31 minutes ago, DrHolmes52 said:

Then you are missing the point.  You state (in your RB thread) that the research bureau is about (re) grinding and spending resources.  That is working as intended.

Sure, WG could do things about mechanics, balance, encouraging skilled and competitive gameplay, but how does that benefit WG financially?  Compared to have endless grinds and resource sinks (and $80 premium ships and loot boxes).

This game is set up to hoover as much time and money as possible out of the player base.  

I'm not raging about what WG is or virtual signaling, but you are okay with one part of the game, but want this other part changed.  They are all the same part.

I dont think I'm missing the point. Yes, that's exactly what its about and yes it does work as intended for the few who regularly participate. I would wager a large amount that 85% of players dont use RB, that 10% of those that do only do so when the bonus is at X2, and the rest do it as is with no complaints. Yes, those numbers are made up but the lack of RB ships in most matches, aside from Unicum level players, and the expressed unhappiness amongst players about using RB sort of reinforces the point.

My idea, in that thread, addresses one of the issues I, and apparently others, have. Keep your ships but still being able to get the points to reduce the grind feeling and redundancy. However, my suggestion still allows for WG to make money as it still works in a way that would allow players to spend money for free experience to quicken the process.

Also, yes they want you to play. However, are you more likely to play with mechanics you like or dislike? What level of frustration is enough to push you or other players away. The best concept would be to encourage players to engage in the game but be happy to do so by rewarding them and providing mechanics they like. It's that simple.

They're hardly the same part. You don't have to spend a dime to regrind. Regrind for RB is targeting players like me, that have it all and nothing else to do. I don't spend any money but use up the ludicrous amount of experience boosting items I receive. The option for me to spend money is there but I won't. Some will. My idea basically works the same, in allowing players to either do it the hard way or the easy way (money) but by making it slightly more appealing to a broader portion of the player base.

Finally, yeah I'm ok with most of the game. Things that make it suck are blowout matches from the number of bad players, lack of things to do, and unmeaningful rewards. I dont care if they sell random bundle or loot boxes. I'm a grown a** man that can decide to spend his money how he wants. Would I like to see them move away from that system, sure. Are they going to move away from that system, no. No need to cry over spilled milk.

I'm afraid you missed the point. Actual game play mechanics are what I want slightly altered at points. I dont want WG to go under and turn the servers off. Thats a lot of lost time and money.

[DrHolmes52]

1 hour ago, Skuggsja said:

I'm afraid you missed the point. Actual game play mechanics are what I want slightly altered at points. 

How much is that worth to WG?  They push people to do everything.  Ranked isn't about being good.  Ranked is about perseverance for steel(to the point of Yolo/Botting).  Clan battles isn't about skill and team work.  It is about finding the format that gets the most participation (to the point of allowing 2 CVs)

Research Bureau?  A credit and FXP sink.  For a small percent of the player base. 

Changing the RB as you suggested might get more participation, but what is the payoff to WG?  Knowing that the resources to make these (and all the other player base wants) changes are limited.  The devs aren't allowed to work on everything.

[Skuggsja]

1 minute ago, DrHolmes52 said:

How much is that worth to WG?  They push people to do everything.  Ranked isn't about being good.  Ranked is about perseverance for steel(to the point of Yolo/Botting).  Clan battles isn't about skill and team work.  It is about finding the format that gets the most participation (to the point of allowing 2 CVs)

Research Bureau?  A credit and FXP sink.  For a small percent of the player base. 

Changing the RB as you suggested might get more participation, but what is the payoff to WG?  Knowing that the resources to make these (and all the other player base wants) changes are limited.  The devs aren't allowed to work on everything.

Ok follow along. 

My suggestion still allows players to use free experience. It just doesn't take way their boats. It in fact encourages more participation in RB. However, it still may be frustrating enough to have people purchase doubloons to expedite the process with a free experience. Except now, more people are likely to do it because more of them are engaged in the mechanic that is RB. Anyway, if you want to discuss this than can you at least do it in the thread I made and not derail OP's topic anymore?

 

[SeamanBowmont]

14 hours ago, crazyeightyfive said:

It's honestly sickening, the Forums these days.

Way too many white-knights screeching about LWM, way too many people snivelling about Missouri, or loot boxes.  Way too many people looking to complain about every poorly-translated comment, or post, or out-of-place apostrophe in everything WG says.

If some of you screeching goblins put half as much effort into playing the game as you do furiously beating your hate-boners over it, you wouldn't have anymore fodder for "The MM screwed me over!" or "Russians are eeeeeviilllll!"

Actually look at the top two or three pages in these Forums.  It's disgusting.  So much effort wasted, by people who probably think "Crossing the 'T' " is a viable WoWs tactic.  I ran out of 'boring' reactions in about two minutes.

I thought the average age around here was like 40?

All evidence to the contrary apparently.