American Tech Tree Suggestion

[ElvenLord]

Hello all,

I realize that this isnt the suggestion forum, but I cant seem to be able to start a topic there.

 

I am looking at focusing on the American Line for this tech tree.

 

There will be 10 tiers. Types will include Cruisers, Destroyers, Battleships, and Aircraft Carriers.

 

Tier 1

 

Monterrey Class (1893)

http://en.wikipedia....Monterey_(BM-6)

 

This is a moniter, but the moniter/Iron clad vessels were considered the primary vessels from which all armoured vessels are descended from.

 

Displacement:  4,084 tons

Length:  260 ft 11 in (79.53 m)

Beam:  59 ft (18 m)

Draft:  14 ft (4.3 m)

Speed:  13.6 knots

Complement:  210

Armament:  2 × 12 in

2 × 10 in

6 × 6‑pdrs

 

Tier 2

 

This is when the Cruisers, Destroyers and Battleships are broen out.

Destroyer

Spoiler

USS Farragut (1897)

http://en.wikipedia....arragut_(TB-11)

 

This is considered the USN's first destroyer.

 

Displacement:  279 tons

Length:  214 ft (65 m)

Beam:  20 ft 8 in (6.30 m)

Draft:  6 ft (1.8 m)

Propulsion:  3 Thornycroft boilers, 2-shaft vertical triple expansion engines, 5,878 ihp (4,326 kW)

Speed:  30 kn

Complement:  66 officers and enlisted

Armament:  4 × 6-pounder guns

2 × 18 in (457 mm) torpedo tubes

 

Cruiser

 

Cruiser class (1887)

http://en.wikipedia....harleston_(C-2)

 

This is the first real Cruiser of the USN

 

Type:  Protected cruiser

Displacement:  3,730 long tons (3,790 t)

Length:  320 ft (97.5 m)

Beam:  46 ft (14.0 m)

Draft:  18 ft 6 in (5.64 m)

Speed:  19 knots (35.2 km/h; 21.9 mph)

Complement:  300 officers and men

Armament:  • 2 × 8 in (203 mm) guns

• 6 × 6 in (152 mm) guns

 

Battleship

 

Coastal Defense types (1895)

http://en.wikipedia....S_Maine_(ACR-1)

 

This is the beginning of the USN Battleship fleet

 

Type:  Second-class battleship

Displacement:  6,682 long tons (6,789 t)

Length:  324 ft 4 in (98.9 m)

Beam:  57 ft (17.4 m)

Draft:  22 ft 6 in (6.9 m)

Installed power:  9,293 ihp (6,930 kW)

Propulsion:

2 × shafts

2 × vertical triple expansion steam engines

8 × boilers

Speed:  16.45 kn (30.47 km/h; 18.93 mph)

Complement:  374 officers and men

Armament:

2 × 2 – 10 in (254 mm) guns

6 × 1 – 6 in (152 mm) guns

7 × 1 – Driggs-Schroeder 6-pounder (57 mm (2.2 in)) guns

4 × 1 – 1-pounder (37 mm (1.5 in)) Hotchkiss guns

4 × 1 – Driggs-Schroeder 1-pounder (37 mm (1.5 in)) guns

4 x 1 - Gatling guns .45-70 caliber

4 × 18 in (457 mm) torpedo tubes

Armor:

Belt: 12 in (305 mm)

Deck: 2–3 in (51–76 mm)

Turrets: 8 in (203 mm)

Conning tower: 10 in (254 mm)

Bulkheads: 6 in (152 mm)

 

This is a W.I.P

 

I will update it as I have time.

[RMS_Gigantic]

One of the developers have stated in response to a question in the Q&A thread that the USS Michigan (presumably the USS South Carolina class, but he mentioned the Michigan specifically) would be the Tier I ship for the United States. Pre-Dreadnoughts MIGHT get added as premium ships when the time comes.

[Drakenred]

theres a reason why he mentiones it

 

it was the first ship laid down, lauched and made operational of the class.

 

http://www.navy.mil/...gacy.asp?id=102

[RMS_Gigantic]

Oh, that makes sense, thanks! Why did they name the class after the second ship, though?

[Drakenred]

ok to clarify this for everyone else

 

theres a Tradition that the first ship of a new version or type of warship is the class leader

 

the Michigan was

 

Laid down first 17 December 1906 vs 18 December 1906

Built to completion(for launching, the guns were not mounted yet) and launched first 26 May 1908 Vs 11 July 1908

Officialy commissioned into the US Navy First 4 January 1910 Vs 15 December 1910

Stricken from the Naval List of Active Duty Ships first 1923 Vs 1924

 

None of that Matters to the US Navy.

What matters is this

 

BB 26 USS South Carolina

 

BB 27 USS Michigan

 

RMS_Gigantic, on 18 August 2012 - 07:24 AM, said:

Oh, that makes sense, thanks! Why did they name the class after the second ship, though?

Because it was BB 26 was the Designated to be the "Lead" ship during development, theres a reason for that, and why the Michigan was laid down launched and commisioned first, (to be fair they bascialy had to comission them in that order )

[Ariecho]

Tier-1 and Tier-2 BBs will also be the same.  Tier-2 will probably have the option to add some modules.

[mistformsquirrel]

I do hope they do the pre-Dreadnoughts at least as Premiums, because I really dig those ships, even if I realize they're a bit early for this game < . .>

[Goldeneye54]

mistformsquirrel, on 18 August 2012 - 01:38 PM, said:

I do hope they do the pre-Dreadnoughts at least as Premiums, because I really dig those ships, even if I realize they're a bit early for this game < . .>

Only way I see this happening is if there is a battle mode for only ships like this cause anything else in the game will destroy these ships no problem.

And can people please read other posts before making suggestions at what the tech trees will be like, they announced the tier 1's already.  It's nice to see suggestions but please start it at the right ships.

[ElvenLord]

Goldeneye55, on 18 August 2012 - 01:47 PM, said:

Only way I see this happening is if there is a battle mode for only ships like this cause anything else in the game will destroy these ships no problem.

And can people please read other posts before making suggestions at what the tech trees will be like, they announced the tier 1's already.  It's nice to see suggestions but please start it at the right ships.

Okay I am sorry about that. I havent seen that yet. if you could link me to that please. I will try again from there.

Side Note: Blast it, I had a great timeline too. Sigh... the Devs beat me to it....

[mr3awsome]

RMS_Gigantic, on 18 August 2012 - 06:18 AM, said:

One of the developers have stated in response to a question in the Q&A thread that the USS Michigan (presumably the USS South Carolina class, but he mentioned the Michigan specifically) would be the Tier 2 Battleship for the United States. Pre-Dreadnoughts MIGHT get added as premium ships when the time comes.

Fixed it.

[ElvenLord]

thanks. Yeah I missed that. I guess i will start over... :( And I had a good layout

[wardog224]

wait till they release more info

[Admiral_Thrawn_1]

Went looking back at the really old threads and I find it interesting/ odd that talk about iron clad ships, protected cruisers, pre Dreadnoughts were being discussed/ suggested and yet still not much done about it after all these years!? And we have had more recent threads about getting a pre Dreadnoughts game, or perhaps some negative tiers or something.

And yes I intentionally raising a long dead thread from the deafest depths of the forum because it proves the point of just how long people have been wanting pre dreadnought game play. Particularly when the proof is in the 2012 time stamps of the posts pre dating this post. And you can find more recent threads and posts about pre Dreadnoughts. So I would say it’s about time WG should start doing something in regards to getting pre dreadnoughts rolling more so than they have currently done.

[Grapefruitcannon]

Holy dead thread batman..

 

But yes..we need more ships from 1890-1920 era.

[0ldRichard]

22 minutes ago, Admiral_Thrawn_1 said:

Went looking back at the really old threads and I find it interesting/ odd that talk about iron clad ships, protected cruisers, pre Dreadnoughts were being discussed/ suggested and yet still not much done about it after all these years!? And we have had more recent threads about getting a pre Dreadnoughts game, or perhaps some negative tiers or something.

And yes I intentionally raising a long dead thread from the deafest depths of the forum because it proves the point of just how long people have been wanting pre dreadnought game play. Particularly when the proof is in the 2012 time stamps of the posts pre dating this post. And you can find more recent threads and posts about pre Dreadnoughts. So I would say it’s about time WG should start doing something in regards to getting pre dreadnoughts rolling more so than they have currently done.

     As they start to run out of real high-end ships and the paper fantasy fleet becomes more ridiculous, this may make a virtue out of necessity in opening the door to new low-tier ship additions marketing opportunities. Gotta keep the new-shiny buzz going somehow.

     I'd actually love to see it. Some of the pre-dreadnoughts and "semi-dreadnoughts" like the Satsuma, Connecticut, and Lord Nelson would be secondary monsters. Poor Mikasa... power-crept at Tier 2.

[Taichunger]

1 hour ago, Grapefruitcannon said:

Holy dead thread batman..

 

But yes..we need more ships from 1890-1920 era.

We cant. 2- and 3-CV crapfests are in 60% of T4 matches. Nobody will buy a T3 or T4 premium just to be Hosho food. 

Its completely insane that the devs would rather flood T3 and 4 with CVs and sell no premiums than remove those CVs to coop and start selling premiums again. 

[0ldRichard]

9 minutes ago, Taichunger said:

We cant. 2- and 3-CV crapfests are in 60% of T4 matches.

     A greatly expanded Tier 2, and possibly a re-vamped Tier 1 (replace the PG/Aviso types) would be immune to the CV plague. Tier 3 could easily have it's protected matchmaking adjusted. Perhaps introduce an MM "firewall" marking Tier 4 as a clear transition to the wonderful world of flying monkeys and torpedo soup.

    All purely hypothetical, of course. If WG does go down this road we can depend on the usual potpourri of balancing gimmicks, marketing scams, and a massively over-powered Tsarevitch.

[Admiral_Thrawn_1]

2 hours ago, So_lt_Goes said:

     As they start to run out of real high-end ships and the paper fantasy fleet becomes more ridiculous, this may make a virtue out of necessity in opening the door to new low-tier ship additions marketing opportunities. Gotta keep the new-shiny buzz going somehow.

     I'd actually love to see it. Some of the pre-dreadnoughts and "semi-dreadnoughts" like the Satsuma, Connecticut, and Lord Nelson would be secondary monsters. Poor Mikasa... power-crept at Tier 2.

Wargaming could actually make a World of Pre Dreadnoughts and quite possibly make a killing financially in doing so. In theory I would say that such a game would be faster paced and more intense as it would discourage camping and give more of the simply guns blazing gameplay. And it could be fun for many of us from historical, gamer, or even fairly mindless gamer perspective (lots of guns, less devastating citadels, and charging in acceptable so even mindless players would be more ok at it than in regular WOWs). Plus the battles could be faster which would benefit many of us that love WOWs but might be too busy to play 20 minute battles on some days. 

WG could even start out tier I to very low tier out with the old Ship of the Line ships, transition into the steam power, iron clads, then into pre Dreadnoughts. with the reduced weapons ranges many of these ships would have you could see how camping would be less common, CVs would be non existent as such a game would only reach about tier 3 in WOWs, and subs would be out as well or close to it. So if Wargaming were to lose WOWs platers with subs they could pick them right back up with World of Pre Dreadnoughts.

I really think WG is missing a nice untapped or mostly untapped market here. Although it would take them creating yet another game, but at least they could save on some of the R&D costs seeing as how they already have some of the required ships and game mechanics rendered and created with the maybe tweaks needed if placed into another game as well the additions of the earlier ships being required.

[Admiral_Thrawn_1]

1 hour ago, Taichunger said:

We cant. 2- and 3-CV crapfests are in 60% of T4 matches. Nobody will buy a T3 or T4 premium just to be Hosho food. 

Its completely insane that the devs would rather flood T3 and 4 with CVs and sell no premiums than remove those CVs to coop and start selling premiums again. 

That’s the beauty of what I am suggesting, it would mean an entirely new game where CVs and subs can’t exist as the tier X game would be tier 3 in WOWs. CVs start at tier IV in WOWs. So the things that turn off some players to WOWs would make a World of Pre Dreadnoughts appealing. And would be yet another money maker for Wargaming so everyone wins.