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British DD Split or Commonweatlh line

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I had previously posted this before some months ago but im now going to revisit it to make some changes to it to suggest they add a british dd split or a Commonwealth dd line

The line as a british dd split is more torpedo and support  focused having Slightly different Consumables from the main line with the chioce between Defensive aa fire and repair party, Short burst Smoke and standard hydro but as a Commonwealth line they have Crawling Smoke / or Radar  and engine boost but lack access to a heal or HE shells but the AP is the same as british light cruiser AP

 Tier 6 :   Inglefield (swaps places with icarus in the main line  who is the start of the new line)(British Version Only)

While not actually part of the line it replaces Icarus in the main line who gets moved to the new line . in the commonwealth version of the line Ingelfied becomes HMAS Stuart instead

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Specs:

Hitpoints:

11,100 - 13,200

Main Battery

120 mm/45 QF Mk IX 5 х 1 pcs.

Rate of Fire 11 shots/min.

Reload Time 5.3 sec.

Rotation Speed10 deg./sec.

180 Degree Turn Time18 sec.

Firing Range10.55 km.

Maximum Dispersion102 m.

HE Shell120 mm HE 

Maximum HE Shell Damage1,700 

Chance of Fire on Target Caused by HE Shell8 %

Initial HE Shell Velocity808 m./s.

HE Shell Weight22.68 kg.

AP Shell120 mm AP 

Maximum AP Shell Damage2,100 

Initial AP Shell Velocity808 m./s.

AP Shell Weight22.68 kg.

Same perfomance as Icarus but the reload is slower to compensate for having one more barrel

Torpedoes

533 mm QR Mk II2 х 4 pcs.

Rate of Fire0.63 shots/min.

Reload Time 95 sec.

Rotation Speed 25 deg./sec.

180 Degree Turn Time 7.2 sec.

Torpedo533 mm Mk V 

Maximum Damage 11,967 

Torpedo Speed 59 knot

Torpedo Range 6 km

same as icarus

AA

12.7 mm Mk III 2 х 4 pcs.

. . . Average Damage per Second 4.2 

. . . Firing Range 1.2 km

Less than Icarus as it  trades the Oerlikons for and extra gun

Maneuverability

Maximum Speed 36 knot

Turning Circle Radius 560 m.

Rudder Shift Time 4.2 sec.

Concealment

Surface Detectability Range 7.1 km.

Air Detectability Range 2.84 km.

She's slightly longer than Icarus at 330m so she compensates with a higher detection radius and turning circle and slightly faster speed

 

Tier 7 :   Battleaxe

From Icarus we are greeted by Battleaxe who lets you down on speed and is overall an improvement in the gun area

Commonwealth Version : HMCS Tomahawk (Fictional Name)

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Basically she's a black swan with torpedoes

Hitpoints:

12,100 - 14,900

Main Battery

102 mm/45 QF Mk XIX 3х 2 pcs.

Firing Range 10.7 km.

Rate of Fire20 shots/min.

Reload Time 4 sec.

HE Shell102 mm HE 35 lb 

Maximum HE Shell Damage 1,500 

Initial HE Shell Velocity 811 m./s.

Chance of Fire on Target Caused by HE Shell 6 %

uses Black Swan's old Ap shell with the same dmg all the turrets are 360 degrees and the stock hull has her refit that added squid launchers in place of the b gun

Torpedo Tubes

533 mm PR Mk II 2 х 5 pcs.

Rate of Fire 0.5 shots/min.

Reload Time120 sec.

Rotation Speed25 deg./sec.

180 Degree Turn Time7.2 sec.

Torpedo533 mm Mk VII 

Maximum Damage15,733 

Torpedo Speed 59 knot

Torpedo Range 8.02 km.

Gets 1km more range than Jervis to help differentiate the two a bit more

AA Defense

 

102 mm/45 QF Mk XIX 3 х 2 pcs.

. . . Average Damage per Second  37.6 

. . . Firing Range5.01 km

40 mm STAAG 2 х 2 pcs.

. . . Average Damage per Second 26.8 

. . . Firing Range 3.51 km.

40 mm Bofors Boffin2 х 1 pcs.

. . . Average Damage per Second 17.4 

. . . Firing Range 3.51 km

same aa as jutland

Maneuverability

Maximum Speed 31 knot

Turning Circle Radius 590 m.

Rudder Shift Time 5.9 sec.

historically a sluggish ship so its sluggish again

Concealment

Surface Detectability Range 7.3 km.

Air Detectability Range 3 km

slightly longer and wider than Jervis so it gets .1 km less

 

Tier 8 :  Gurhka

the odd ball of the line in a sense as it has the most gun barrels technically in both lines

Commonwealth Name : HMIS Gurkha

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Hitpoints:

12,800 - 15,600

Main Battery

102 mm/45 QF Mk XIX 4х 2 pcs.

Firing Range 11.5 km.

Rate of Fire 20 shots/min.

Reload Time 3 sec.

HE Shell102 mm HE 35 lb 

Maximum HE Shell Damage 1,500 

Initial HE Shell Velocity 811 m./s.

Chance of Fire on Target Caused by HE Shell 6 %

uses Black Swan's old Ap shell with the same dmg

When Broadside she has four Turrets but most of the time  can only use three due to bad firing arcs on the rear turrets

the  turrets are all 360 

Torpedoes

 

533 mm QR Mk IV2 х 4 pcs.

Rate of Fire0.57 shots/min.

Reload Time126 sec.

Rotation Speed25 deg./sec.

180 Degree Turn Time7.2 sec.

Torpedo533 mm Mk IX 

Maximum Damage15,433 

Torpedo Speed61 knot

Torpedo Range8.01 km.

AA

102 mm/45 QF Mk XIX 4 х 2 pcs.

. . . Average Damage per Second  37.6 

. . . Firing Range5.01 km

40 mm/39 QF Mk VII1 х 4 pcs.

. . . Average Damage per Second12.9 

. . . Firing Range2.49 km.

12.7 mm Mk III2 х 4 pcs.

. . . Average Damage per Second4.2 

. . . Firing Range1.2 km.

slight downgrade in aa

Maneuverability

Maximum Speed 36 knot

Turning Circle Radius590 m.

Rudder Shift Time 5.3 sec.

Concealment

Surface Detectability Range 7.04 km.

Air Detectability Range 3.07 km.

Same odd ball of the line type as lightning but with one more barrel with higher reload and less pen with slightly more detect and less health to nerf it

 

Tier 9 :  Savage

The gun count goes down significantly compared to the tier before like the jump from lightning to jutland

Commonwealth Name : HMAS Success

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Hitpoints:

13,100 - 15,200

a decrease as she's even smaller than Jervis but its more than Battleaxe who is closer in size to her for balance at high tier

Main Battery

113 mm/45 Mk IV 1 х 2 / 1 х 2 pcs.

Rate of Fire 15 shots/min.

Reload Time  3.5 sec.

Rotation Speed20 deg./sec.

180 Degree Turn Time9 sec.

Firing Range11.37 km.

Maximum Dispersion100 m.

HE Shell113 mm HE 5crh 

Maximum HE Shell Damage1,700 

Chance of Fire on Target Caused by HE Shell8 %

Initial HE Shell Velocity746 m./s.

HE Shell Weight24.95 kg.

AP Shell113 mm SAP 55 lb 

Maximum AP Shell Damage2,100 

Initial AP Shell Velocity746 m./s.

AP Shell Weight25 kg

gets Jutland's current as of the date of this post maxed out reload to compensate for having fewer guns at the same tier which when maxed out has a similar reload to daring's Stock Reload  but with worse aiming due to two of the guns being in single turrets of which one does not go 360 degress edit: although ahistorical to the ship b hull gives it another double mount in exchange for the two single mounts

Torpedoes

533 mm PR Mk II 2 х 4 pcs.

Rate of Fire0.45 shots/min.

Reload Time 106 sec.

Rotation Speed25 deg./sec.

180 Degree Turn Time7.2 sec.

Torpedo533 mm Mk IX** 

Maximum Damage15,533 

Torpedo Speed62 knot

Torpedo Range9.99 km

AA

113 mm/45 Mk IV 1 х 2 pcs.

. . . Average Damage per Second29.8 

. . . Firing Range5.01 km

20 mm Oerlikon Mk IV 5 x 2/ 2 х 1 pcs.

. . . Average Damage per Second14.4 

. . . Firing Range 3.01 

Maneuverability

Maximum Speed 36 knot

Turning Circle Radius 590 m.

Rudder Shift Time 5.3 sec.

Concealment

Surface Detectability Range 7.0 km.

Air Detectability Range 2.9 km.

Basically a Kagero and yugumo killer will have trouble fighting off other dds due to the low hp

 

Tier 10 :  Gael

The only paper ship, it was to be an improved weapon class but ingame its more of an improved savage

Commonwealth name : HMNZS Gift

its a secretive design and the only picture I could find was of a model but if it was built it'd look similar to daring 

 the armament specs are from wikipedia

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Hitpoints:

 17,200

this puts her as the smallest high tier dd other than shima in terms of hitpoints and in terms of displacement she is the smallest by far

Main Battery

113 mm/45 RP 41 Mk VI 2 х 2 pcs.

Rate of Fire 21.43 shots/min.

Reload Time 2.5 sec.

Rotation Speed25 deg./sec.

180 Degree Turn Time7.2 sec.

Firing Range12.78 km.

Maximum Dispersion110 m.

HE Shell113 mm HE 5crh 

Maximum HE Shell Damage1,700 

Chance of Fire on Target Caused by HE Shell8 %

Initial HE Shell Velocity746 m./s.

HE Shell Weight24.95 kg.

AP Shell113 mm SAP 55 lb 

Maximum AP Shell Damage2,100 

Initial AP Shell Velocity746 m./s.

AP Shell Weight25 kg.

gets vampire 2's reload to compensate for the one less barrel and both go 360 degress

Torpedoes

533 mm PR Mk II2 х 5 pcs.

Rate of Fire0.48 shots/min.

Reload Time125 sec.

Rotation Speed25 deg./sec.

180 Degree Turn Time7.2 sec.

Torpedo533 mm Mk IXM 

Maximum Damage16,767 

Torpedo Speed62 knot

Torpedo Range9.99 km

AA113 mm/45 RP 41 Mk VI 2 х 2 pcs.

. . . Average Damage per Second53.4 

. . . Firing Range5.01 km.

40 mm Bofors Mk V1 х 2 pcs.

. . . Average Damage per Second12.3 

. . . Firing Range3.51 km.

40 mm STAAG2 х 2 pcs.

. . . Average Damage per Second26.8 

. . . Firing Range3.51 km

Maneuverability

Maximum Speed 33 knot

Turning Circle Radius 560 m.

Rudder Shift Time 4.3 sec.

Concealment

Surface Detectability Range 7.3 km.

Air Detectability Range 3.2 km.

will struggle at tier ten with faster ships like kleber but will have a low enough detect to avoid them

 

Consumables

no engine boost like main line or propulsion mod

defensive aa fire /Short burst smoke generator (tier 6-8)

Hydroacoustic search 100s  3km torp detect 5km ship detect 3 charges

Repair party (tier 6-8 ) /Advanced Repair teams (tier9-10) 2 charges 

 Defensive aa fire (tier 9-10) 40s 4 charges

Icarus, Battleaxe and Gurkha have access to hydro and repair party but must choose between Defensive aa fire or smoke

Savage and Gael have access to all

commonwealth versions use the same consumable set as vampire 2 with the exception of radar which is 6km for 25 seconds which is tier 8 and up

 

comment your thoughts below I think they'd work but also kinda powercreep four lines also  : german  dds in general ijn torpboats and lower tier eu dds

i did not add any wartime emergency dds other than savage as I found her to be the most unique and the others are quite lacking in firepower but they could be possible premiums

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Nice proposal.

But by unstated policy and forum convention, your survey needs a “bacon” choice. 

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So, I put that this line was broken, and in hindsight, was kinda wrong. 

However, what would the playstyle of the line be? Looking at this is seems like the guns are crappier, but there are more of them, and apart from that they just look like rn dds. 

Also, aa power bounces around severely. Tier VII has objectively better AA than tier IX.

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41 minutes ago, Commissar_Carl said:

So, I put that this line was broken, and in hindsight, was kinda wrong. 

However, what would the playstyle of the line be? Looking at this is seems like the guns are crappier, but there are more of them, and apart from that they just look like rn dds. 

Also, aa power bounces around severely. Tier VII has objectively better AA than tier IX.

the only broken ship is possibly the tier 8 , the ten maybe but who knows

the line plays as a more torpedo and support focused version of the main line and as common wealth dds plays more like  British light cruisers mixed with pan asian destroyers

the aa would be scaled to tier and the tier 7 could fit at nine but itd end up causing weird gun swaps  and generally being a worse jutland

the only ship with more guns is the tier 8 the rest have less guns or a lower caliber compared to the main line and as a commonwealth dd the tier 8 would end up playing like cossack and haida merged

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Well thought out proposals.

Noticed the Ghurka has a typo. Listed with 20rpm but a 3 sec reload.

At first glance they seem a bit weak. I assume they retain Brit energy retention/accelleration.

Smaller guns may have issues doing damage (HE) to other DDs. These don't get the IJN 100mm/65 baked in bonus'. Easier for DDs to bounce the AP also.

Line finishes with 4 gun ships. Savage at T9 would match to Neustrashimy but I feel the Russian boat is far superior in spite of the hydro. Admittedly the Neust sets a pretty high bar but you have to have a reason to only bring 2 turrets to the  fight. The Jutland has 33% more guns. In any gunfight you are almost assured to lose an engine/rudder and a turret

How is the Gael competitive with the Daring? 33kts with no speed boost can be painful for a DD, Once again 33% less guns and I'm not seeing what she gets to compensate.

Let me know if I am overlooking something.

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The real test is how well they survive a BB HE broadside. You know Darings just dare to explode. Jutlands just jut out and die. Lightning gets dev-struck. The rest die gloriously with BB players laughing. 

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3 hours ago, Sabot_100 said:

Well thought out proposals.

Noticed the Ghurka has a typo. Listed with 20rpm but a 3 sec reload.

At first glance they seem a bit weak. I assume they retain Brit energy retention/accelleration.

Smaller guns may have issues doing damage (HE) to other DDs. These don't get the IJN 100mm/65 baked in bonus'. Easier for DDs to bounce the AP also.

Line finishes with 4 gun ships. Savage at T9 would match to Neustrashimy but I feel the Russian boat is far superior in spite of the hydro. Admittedly the Neust sets a pretty high bar but you have to have a reason to only bring 2 turrets to the  fight. The Jutland has 33% more guns. In any gunfight you are almost assured to lose an engine/rudder and a turret

How is the Gael competitive with the Daring? 33kts with no speed boost can be painful for a DD, Once again 33% less guns and I'm not seeing what she gets to compensate.

Let me know if I am overlooking something.

oopsie on the rpm for gurkha but savage and gael gain better conceal and torp reload compared to daring and jutland and both have better base reload than the two to offset not having a b turret and  all of the ships guns behave like jutland and darings improve richochet angles and these are mostly torp boats except for gurkha  and yes they would retain british accel if they were british but would lose it as the commonwealth version

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1 hour ago, SteelRain_Rifleman said:

The real test is how well they survive a BB HE broadside. You know Darings just dare to explode. Jutlands just jut out and die. Lightning gets dev-struck. The rest die gloriously with BB players laughing. 

fr tho british dds die easily to bb shells as if they have a secret citadel...

 

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14 minutes ago, lolpip said:

and  all of the ships guns behave like jutland and darings improve richochet angles

For the 113's this would make sense (parameters are already established) but would the 102's get any special treatment? Would the Black Swan be the prime example? No special angles on those.

ROF is often heavily adjusted by WG. At one time there was at least some basis in reality but that time has passed.

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35 minutes ago, Sabot_100 said:

For the 113's this would make sense (parameters are already established) but would the 102's get any special treatment? Would the Black Swan be the prime example? No special angles on those.

ROF is often heavily adjusted by WG. At one time there was at least some basis in reality but that time has passed.

yes exactly what i said the 102s get them too

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I'd suggest leaving this as a British DD split, and doing something different for a Commonwealth DD line.

 

Here's what I'd like to see for Commonwealth:

Tier 2: HMCS Patriot (Thornycroft M class destroyer, broadly similar to British T2 Medea)
Tier 3: HMAS Anzac (Parker class destroyer leader, relatively similar but larger than British T3 Valkyrie)
Tier 4: HMAS Vendetta (Admiralty V class, similar to T3 British Valkyrie but with triple instead of twin torps)
Tier 5: HMAS Stuart (Scott class destroyer leader, similar to Pan-Asia T5 Jianwei)
Tier 6: INS Rajput (R class destroyer, similar but bigger than British T6 Icarus)
Tier 7: HMCS Crusader (Cr class destroyer, like Rajput but with 113mm instead of 120mm guns)
Tier 8: PNS Badr (Battle class 1942 batch, similar to British T9 Jutland but without aft turret and only 2x4 instead of 2x5 torps)
Tier 9: HMAS Tobruk (Battle class 1944 batch, similar to British T9 Jutland but without aft turret and with the same faster-firing guns as Daring)
Tier 10: HMAS Voyager (Daring class, would have to largely be Daring except with different consumables)

Starting at T7 the focus would be the 113mm guns, and the T8-9 would both be unique in that they're DDs with all-forward turrets. My original conception of this line was that they'd be a hybrid of the British and American DD lines, having American smoke like the T3 premium Vampire. But now I'm more inclined toward making them a creeping smoke line. My priorities when choosing which ships I want for the line were to when possible choose classes that weren't already in the British DD line (hence HMAS Stuart at T5 instead of the other option I considered, HMCS Saguenay which is the same class as HMS Acasta), and including multiple nations rather than exclusively Canada and Australia (hence India and Pakistan each getting a ship). Unfortunately there are no New Zealand destroyers, and the only options from South Africa and India were both T6 material so I deemed India a higher priority. Perhaps South Africa could be given a paper ship in the Commonwealth cruiser line instead.

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37 minutes ago, Lord_Magus said:

Here's what I'd like to see for Commonwealth:

I think that's a reasonable and middle of the road/easy approach. It should work out well. 

The risk it has is being a bit too 'British but with creeping smoke', going to 4.5's earlier is a good move in my view and one I think the RN line could have done, saving some 4.7's for more interesting splits. 

 

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8 hours ago, mofton said:

I think that's a reasonable and middle of the road/easy approach. It should work out well. 

The risk it has is being a bit too 'British but with creeping smoke', going to 4.5's earlier is a good move in my view and one I think the RN line could have done, saving some 4.7's for more interesting splits. 

 

hence why  i made the commonwealth version of my line have Ap only and  have acess to radar much like pan asian destroyers there still has to be something that makes them stand out from their sisters And i really want Gurkha not end up as a premium since im broke id rather grind for it

8 hours ago, Lord_Magus said:

I'd suggest leaving this as a British DD split, and doing something different for a Commonwealth DD line.

 

Here's what I'd like to see for Commonwealth:

Tier 2: HMCS Patriot (Thornycroft M class destroyer, broadly similar to British T2 Medea)
Tier 3: HMAS Anzac (Parker class destroyer leader, relatively similar but larger than British T3 Valkyrie)
Tier 4: HMAS Vendetta (Admiralty V class, similar to T3 British Valkyrie but with triple instead of twin torps)
Tier 5: HMAS Stuart (Scott class destroyer leader, similar to Pan-Asia T5 Jianwei)
Tier 6: INS Rajput (R class destroyer, similar but bigger than British T6 Icarus)
Tier 7: HMCS Crusader (Cr class destroyer, like Rajput but with 113mm instead of 120mm guns)
Tier 8: PNS Badr (Battle class 1942 batch, similar to British T9 Jutland but without aft turret and only 2x4 instead of 2x5 torps)
Tier 9: HMAS Tobruk (Battle class 1944 batch, similar to British T9 Jutland but without aft turret and with the same faster-firing guns as Daring)
Tier 10: HMAS Voyager (Daring class, would have to largely be Daring except with different consumables)

Starting at T7 the focus would be the 113mm guns, and the T8-9 would both be unique in that they're DDs with all-forward turrets. My original conception of this line was that they'd be a hybrid of the British and American DD lines, having American smoke like the T3 premium Vampire. But now I'm more inclined toward making them a creeping smoke line. My priorities when choosing which ships I want for the line were to when possible choose classes that weren't already in the British DD line (hence HMAS Stuart at T5 instead of the other option I considered, HMCS Saguenay which is the same class as HMS Acasta), and including multiple nations rather than exclusively Canada and Australia (hence India and Pakistan each getting a ship). Unfortunately there are no New Zealand destroyers, and the only options from South Africa and India were both T6 material so I deemed India a higher priority. Perhaps South Africa could be given a paper ship in the Commonwealth cruiser line instead.

This is a great idea when i first proposed this i even had tobruk as a premium albeit under a different name to represent the third batch of battles that werent built other than for australia the only problem is that voyager would have to play completely different from daring and vampire 2 else it would intrude on their territories maybe for example having radar but no hydro and like british cruiser smoke and badr will need serious firepower to stop itself from being bullied by cossacks and akizuki maybe it has jutlands original reload or something and the tier 5 for my line i named the commonwealth version after it since i was to lazy to find another  picture

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15 hours ago, lolpip said:

fr tho british dds die easily to bb shells as if they have a secret citadel...

 

It's no secret. Obviously MI-6 bungled that one.

Any player can find that secret.

And what is worse is the hammy death scenes by the players as if saying something dramatic makes the ordeal all that interesting.

"Oh poo! My ship and crew! Set ablaze!🔥 By BBs gaze! Cry Thunderer! I hate her! Bleh!"

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