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I know that earning xp's (experience points) allow a commander to gain skills, but do the regular, non-free xp's that accumulate to an individual ship do that ship any good?  Seems the only thing you can do with a ship's xp is to use doubloons to convert it to free xp?   Is there something I'm missing? 

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4 minutes ago, MarkoKlingon said:

I know that earning xp's (experience points) allow a commander to gain skills, but do the regular, non-free xp's that accumulate to an individual ship do that ship any good?  Seems the only thing you can do with a ship's xp is to use doubloons to convert it to free xp?   Is there something I'm missing? 

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If you reset a line, all of that extra XP ends up on your tier 1 ship.  So you could instantly acquire the tier 2 ship.  The only other possible use would be anticipating a TT split.  

But as noted previously, there is little else that you do with it.

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And they give signals and special signals for this useless XP what a waste .

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It is so every now and again, you can look at how many doubloons it would take to convert all your ship XP and laugh.

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53 minutes ago, MarkoKlingon said:

I know that earning xp's (experience points) allow a commander to gain skills, but do the regular, non-free xp's that accumulate to an individual ship do that ship any good?  Seems the only thing you can do with a ship's xp is to use doubloons to convert it to free xp?   Is there something I'm missing? 

I'm assuming you mean after you upgrade the modules & the next ship?

In that case converting to FXP is all it's good for...

Most ships are pretty much only played enough to get to the next ship & after that aren't played much so it doesn't accumulate often...but for those ships you like to play for the fun of it after all modules & the next ship is researched (& it gains elite status)...FXP conversion is it.

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50 minutes ago, MarkoKlingon said:

I know that earning xp's (experience points) allow a commander to gain skills, but do the regular, non-free xp's that accumulate to an individual ship do that ship any good?  Seems the only thing you can do with a ship's xp is to use doubloons to convert it to free xp?   Is there something I'm missing? 

Son, you need a wiki pill

https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Economy#Experience

 

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What we do have is UNCONVERTED FXP accumulated on ship play. This is FXP that is tossed into the back room in relative secret after every game. When you have doubleloons and wish to convert to FXP you will be presented with potentially tens of millions of unconverted FXP which requires doubleloons to convert.

I have about 10 million unconverted. Ive burned through 6 million in the last 14 months converting with cold cash. And still accumulated. If I wanted to buy doubleloons and wait for the 1 to 35 conversion sale it will cost me approximately 290000 doubleloons OR normal 1 to 25 conversion... 400,000 doubleloons.

At the current retail cost of 120 US Dollars for 30,000 doubleloons I need about $1680.00 US dollars as of tonight to buy 400,000 doubleloons via Prem shop on these forums in upper left as a custom purchase. I can tell you right now my local bank will require a two factor passcode to challenge the transaction should I try to make it. (Spend all that money)

What can I do with 10 million? Well I have 6 18's in captians. They need about 1.7 million give or take each to get to 21. Or I need oh... A 850,000 FXP per 1 to T 10 ship tree to complete. I dont have that many ship trees unresearched. Its very possible should I spend this researching all of them I would probably very likely own the entire game's existing fleet of tech tree ships.


OR...

 

Spend the coin and purchase the entire ship premium store at coin sales. Buy the place. Be a number of ships. Once I researched the tech tree ships I will have the problem of buying them with credits. It takes about 70 million credits or 120 US Dollars to buy a whole reaearched T1 to T10 tech tree ships to use in battle, AND EVEN MORE credits at up to 10 million per ship to equip them with modules.

Its a nice little racket WG set up in this game if they can get 2000 dollars out of me tonight to buy all that crap. One of these days I'll do it. But first will have to fight the bank to make it happen.

Eff that. Its disgusting how it's a racket. IF you were to spend money. In the old arcades of the late 70's and early 80's if you hauled in a 100 dollars worth of 5's for quarters or tokens, you drained the cash machine. OR filled it up requiring the man to come and service the thing for your remaining dollar bills. I have burned through 100 or 200 in a day. Cutting school. Thats about 15 hours of gaming. Whew. Tron and star trek were the two.

Society wrings hands and say we are all going to be chain sawing doom adults later in life. Spending all those dollar bills. Pooh pooh. (First PC game Doom, featuring a chain saw which seriously enraged our media of that time.)

Fast forward to pre free to play games online. You can spend 100 dollars for a premium battlefield and get updates forever plus all the content. Just need another 5 to 10K dollars for a computer fast enough to run it well in battle without stuttering.

Now we are in free to play. How much do you think they mined out of me in the last 6 years just for wows? I added up my banking records going back 6 years and I am running about 1500 to 2000 a year more or less. This is the first year in 2021 thats been severely cut back to about 500 so far this year by new years in 2022. It is very likely its already more than a thousand spent going into Fall now. But again, other than medical bills and a electric bill etc there is nothing else to spend on. And I dont need a wife etc.

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1 hour ago, MarkoKlingon said:

I know that earning xp's (experience points) allow a commander to gain skills, but do the regular, non-free xp's that accumulate to an individual ship do that ship any good?  Seems the only thing you can do with a ship's xp is to use doubloons to convert it to free xp?   Is there something I'm missing? 

2200 games you don't know how to use XP to unlock the next ship?

45 minutes ago, iDuckman said:

This

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2 hours ago, DrHolmes52 said:

It is so every now and again, you can look at how many doubloons it would take to convert all your ship XP and laugh.

So true, and always beware. As by default, it selects ALL of your ships to convert. So you could get clicky and lose most of your dubs if you weren't paying attention. Or drunk.  Had a friend blow about 8k that way. Worst part for him was, it wasn't even on sale. If I ever convert, it's when it's on sale, and with gold I got from them. Couple hundred here or there.

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3 hours ago, Col_Nasty said:

Nope

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Simple and concise, i love it:Smile_great: (and you gotta love Spanky)

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6 hours ago, Col_Nasty said:

Nope

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Pretty much this.  WG intended for people to spend money and convert ShipXP -> FreeXP.

 

I used to do that when I was a new player until I realized how little XP I was getting for the money being spent.

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5 hours ago, IfYouSeeKhaos said:

In that case converting to FXP is all it's good for...

Most ships are pretty much only played enough to get to the next ship & after that aren't played much so it doesn't accumulate often...but for those ships you like to play for the fun of it after all modules & the next ship is researched (& it gains elite status)...FXP conversion is it.

Yep. It just sits there tempting me to buy doubloons and convert probably close to 10-12 million by now. Which, of course, I will never do.

It is a decent metric of the ships I play a lot, though. For example, I only have a handful that are over the 1 million mark, but each one tends to have a specific reasoning behind why I played it so much. Take my Helena, for example - of that million plus elite xp (minus a little bit if you want to get technical since I didn't have to research Cleveland) the vast majority came from running it in Narai, normally on the transport route. It also got one of my first 19 point captains (after NC and Monty, I believe) specifically to print tons of fxp and excp from running 4 and 5 ship Narai.

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3 hours ago, Acme1970 said:

 

Simple and concise, i love it:Smile_great: (and you gotta love Spanky)

And with the amount of money he's throwing out that window, he must be a favorite customer of WG too.

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3 minutes ago, HazeGrayUnderway said:

I used to do that when I was a new player until I realized how little XP I was getting for the money being spent.

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Same.  I used to spend 1000 doubloons at a time converting XP to FXP as I saved up for Alaska.  After I had bought it and then calculated how much it had actually cost, I never converted any more XP again.

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49 minutes ago, SeaGladius said:

Same.  I used to spend 1000 doubloons at a time converting XP to FXP as I saved up for Alaska.  After I had bought it and then calculated how much it had actually cost, I never converted any more XP again.

The ShipXP -> FreeXP conversion is a more dangerous trap for newer players.  Veteran, longtime players can have piles of FreeXP, to the point on FreeXP'ing to the Tier X on day 1 of a brand new ship line's release, and not even bat an eyelash on the points spent.  Newer players don't have that luxury.  What I saw as a new player was tons of XP sitting in ships I had already grinded past, or sitting on Premium Ships.

 

The temptation is really there... You're grinding and are on a ship that WG intended to suck, to get you to spend FreeXP.  If you're a newb you don't have that mountain of FreeXP to just say, "F--k it" and skip the misery altogether.  It's pretty annoying to see ships clearly intended as a Pay Wall / FreeXP Tax.  There's no good reason why that ship has to suck that bad, other than making players pay the tax.

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5 hours ago, xHeavy said:

What we do have is UNCONVERTED FXP accumulated on ship play. This is FXP that is tossed into the back room in relative secret after every game. When you have doubleloons and wish to convert to FXP you will be presented with potentially tens of millions of unconverted FXP which requires doubleloons to convert.

I have about 10 million unconverted. Ive burned through 6 million in the last 14 months converting with cold cash. And still accumulated. If I wanted to buy doubleloons and wait for the 1 to 35 conversion sale it will cost me approximately 290000 doubleloons OR normal 1 to 25 conversion... 400,000 doubleloons.

At the current retail cost of 120 US Dollars for 30,000 doubleloons I need about $1680.00 US dollars as of tonight to buy 400,000 doubleloons via Prem shop on these forums in upper left as a custom purchase. I can tell you right now my local bank will require a two factor passcode to challenge the transaction should I try to make it. (Spend all that money)

What can I do with 10 million? Well I have 6 18's in captians. They need about 1.7 million give or take each to get to 21. Or I need oh... A 850,000 FXP per 1 to T 10 ship tree to complete. I dont have that many ship trees unresearched. Its very possible should I spend this researching all of them I would probably very likely own the entire game's existing fleet of tech tree ships.


OR...

 

Spend the coin and purchase the entire ship premium store at coin sales. Buy the place. Be a number of ships. Once I researched the tech tree ships I will have the problem of buying them with credits. It takes about 70 million credits or 120 US Dollars to buy a whole reaearched T1 to T10 tech tree ships to use in battle, AND EVEN MORE credits at up to 10 million per ship to equip them with modules.

Its a nice little racket WG set up in this game if they can get 2000 dollars out of me tonight to buy all that crap. One of these days I'll do it. But first will have to fight the bank to make it happen.

Eff that. Its disgusting how it's a racket. IF you were to spend money. In the old arcades of the late 70's and early 80's if you hauled in a 100 dollars worth of 5's for quarters or tokens, you drained the cash machine. OR filled it up requiring the man to come and service the thing for your remaining dollar bills. I have burned through 100 or 200 in a day. Cutting school. Thats about 15 hours of gaming. Whew. Tron and star trek were the two.

Society wrings hands and say we are all going to be chain sawing doom adults later in life. Spending all those dollar bills. Pooh pooh. (First PC game Doom, featuring a chain saw which seriously enraged our media of that time.)

Fast forward to pre free to play games online. You can spend 100 dollars for a premium battlefield and get updates forever plus all the content. Just need another 5 to 10K dollars for a computer fast enough to run it well in battle without stuttering.

Now we are in free to play. How much do you think they mined out of me in the last 6 years just for wows? I added up my banking records going back 6 years and I am running about 1500 to 2000 a year more or less. This is the first year in 2021 thats been severely cut back to about 500 so far this year by new years in 2022. It is very likely its already more than a thousand spent going into Fall now. But again, other than medical bills and a electric bill etc there is nothing else to spend on. And I dont need a wife etc.

I can relate. Once upon a time, back in the stone age of Everquest and Castlevania, I was what you'd call a hard-core gamer. Even today I run a way better box than I need for pretty much any game out there. Like many, when I first started WOWS I got sucked into the spending vortex and it took me a couple years to realize it was all about my own instant gratification and nothing to do with gameplay advantage.

Lucky for me, WG has done a great job since around 8.0 of discouraging any spending at all. I'm now an unrepentant FTP leech with a port full of premiums I seldom play. It's nice to be able to watch all the tempting shinies come and go while I collect all the free enticements that just seem to accumulate on their own.

OP, it's your money and your choice. Just know that you can beat the system with a little patience. That left-over ship XP didn't cost you anything, isn't intrinsically worth anything, and you don't have to spend a penny to convert it if you don't want to. Premium ships aren't "I win" buttons.

WOWS (and all  FTP games) are like a casino. Enjoy the free comps, and never spend more than you can afford to lose because in the long run the house always comes out ahead.

Just my two cents worth from a beached whale.

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1 hour ago, HazeGrayUnderway said:

Pretty much this.  WG intended for people to spend money and convert ShipXP -> FreeXP.

 

I used to do that when I was a new player until I realized how little XP I was getting for the money being spent.

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I spent $25 to convert elite EXP to FXP in order to get Missouri before she was removed from sale.  I don't feel like a sucker....

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11 hours ago, xHeavy said:

What we do have is UNCONVERTED FXP accumulated on ship play. This is FXP that is tossed into the back room in relative secret after every game. When you have doubleloons and wish to convert to FXP you will be presented with potentially tens of millions of unconverted FXP which requires doubleloons to convert.

I have about 10 million unconverted. Ive burned through 6 million in the last 14 months converting with cold cash. And still accumulated. If I wanted to buy doubleloons and wait for the 1 to 35 conversion sale it will cost me approximately 290000 doubleloons OR normal 1 to 25 conversion... 400,000 doubleloons.

At the current retail cost of 120 US Dollars for 30,000 doubleloons I need about $1680.00 US dollars as of tonight to buy 400,000 doubleloons via Prem shop on these forums in upper left as a custom purchase. I can tell you right now my local bank will require a two factor passcode to challenge the transaction should I try to make it. (Spend all that money)

What can I do with 10 million? Well I have 6 18's in captians. They need about 1.7 million give or take each to get to 21. Or I need oh... A 850,000 FXP per 1 to T 10 ship tree to complete. I dont have that many ship trees unresearched. Its very possible should I spend this researching all of them I would probably very likely own the entire game's existing fleet of tech tree ships.


OR...

 

Spend the coin and purchase the entire ship premium store at coin sales. Buy the place. Be a number of ships. Once I researched the tech tree ships I will have the problem of buying them with credits. It takes about 70 million credits or 120 US Dollars to buy a whole reaearched T1 to T10 tech tree ships to use in battle, AND EVEN MORE credits at up to 10 million per ship to equip them with modules.

Its a nice little racket WG set up in this game if they can get 2000 dollars out of me tonight to buy all that crap. One of these days I'll do it. But first will have to fight the bank to make it happen.

Eff that. Its disgusting how it's a racket. IF you were to spend money. In the old arcades of the late 70's and early 80's if you hauled in a 100 dollars worth of 5's for quarters or tokens, you drained the cash machine. OR filled it up requiring the man to come and service the thing for your remaining dollar bills. I have burned through 100 or 200 in a day. Cutting school. Thats about 15 hours of gaming. Whew. Tron and star trek were the two.

Society wrings hands and say we are all going to be chain sawing doom adults later in life. Spending all those dollar bills. Pooh pooh. (First PC game Doom, featuring a chain saw which seriously enraged our media of that time.)

Fast forward to pre free to play games online. You can spend 100 dollars for a premium battlefield and get updates forever plus all the content. Just need another 5 to 10K dollars for a computer fast enough to run it well in battle without stuttering.

Now we are in free to play. How much do you think they mined out of me in the last 6 years just for wows? I added up my banking records going back 6 years and I am running about 1500 to 2000 a year more or less. This is the first year in 2021 thats been severely cut back to about 500 so far this year by new years in 2022. It is very likely its already more than a thousand spent going into Fall now. But again, other than medical bills and a electric bill etc there is nothing else to spend on. And I dont need a wife etc.

 

Well said.

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15 hours ago, MarkoKlingon said:

I know that earning xp's (experience points) allow a commander to gain skills, but do the regular, non-free xp's that accumulate to an individual ship do that ship any good?  Seems the only thing you can do with a ship's xp is to use doubloons to convert it to free xp?   Is there something I'm missing? 

I'm assuming you're talking about the XP which is accumulated on a ship AFTER you've unlocked all the upgrades and AFTER you've unlocked the next ship.

As a rule, I just let mine sit there. I've converted once, and the ship it got me would have cost far more had it been for cash, so I consider the money spent worthwhile. 

Ship XP on a ship that's already become "elite" forms part of the Commander XP that you earn per battle and is also the basis for calculating your free XP for that battle. It also goes toward fulfilling specific directive tasks that ask for it. So it's never truly wasted. 

The other thing to remember is that every now and then, WG does a line split or introduces a new line - and in that case the excess accumulated XP on a particular ship can suddenly and abruptly become very, VERY useful. Examples of line splits I've seen since I started playing the game include those which begin at the Omaha, Danae, Shchors, Ernst Gaede and Colorado, all of which now lead to branch lines as well as the one they originally fed into - and also the carriers, which now branch from destroyers instead of battleships.

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