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Thinking about a Tier VII German Cruiser ... now we have a choice.  I realize the Weimar is new, but what are the opinions between the two?  Which would you pick if you could only have one?

Thank you for your thoughts,

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I like the little German ships. The Munchen, Mainz etc. The weimar would be a good Ops ship. I own them all and will get the Weimar at some point. Its going to be profitable in Ops.

Not so much in human games. And is also a useful ribbion printer in Coop missions.

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30 minutes ago, Freak_O said:

Thinking about a Tier VII German Cruiser ... now we have a choice.  I realize the Weimar is new, but what are the opinions between the two?  Which would you pick if you could only have one?

Thank you for your thoughts,

If you are familiar with the T6 Nurnberg, Weimar has the same guns. Longer reload (8 vs 6 sec), shorter range but three more barrels. Munchen's guns are 150mm but shorter barrel (less velocity so floatier) but longer range with faster reload (5 sec). Also only eight barrels. 

If I HAD to pick one I'd probably go Weimar. I do like those guns. I liked Nurnberg and bought Mainz because of them. But I already have Munchen and will most likely get Weimar too. 😎

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München - her superior maneuverability and concealment allow you to control the engagements much easier. Weimar's engine boost and spotting aircraft aren't enough to offset that.

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Why not just Shchors?

I think Munchen is clearly better than Weimar. If you compare Shchors vs. Munchen, Munchen has much better concealment, 3 secs shorter reload time,  4 less guns, better torps. But I don't know, I just don't see Munchen has clear advantage over Shchors.

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3 minutes ago, Qilang said:

Why not just Shchors?

Because you have to grind it, and you can't rotate captains through it.

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Just now, Skpstr said:

Because you have to grind it, and you can't rotate captains through it.

she's only VII ship, very easy to get Shchors.

I already have Mainz and other German premiums, so no captain issue.

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I would NOT buy the Weimar. They put the disclaimer that they can nerf this boat.

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29 minutes ago, Qilang said:

she's only VII ship, very easy to get Shchors.

Can you grind Shchors in 60 seconds? I can get Weimar and Munchen in that time frame..... I can even earn the money to buy them faster.

Having said that, I don't pay money for ships, but you can see where I'm going with that ...

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49 minutes ago, Qilang said:

Why not just Shchors?

I think Munchen is clearly better than Weimar. If you compare Shchors vs. Munchen, Munchen has much better concealment, 3 secs shorter reload time,  4 less guns, better torps. But I don't know, I just don't see Munchen has clear advantage over Shchors.

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SeaRaptor explored this exact question on his stream last night and came to the conclusion that Weimar is hard pass due primarily to insufficient range.  Also, if I'm not mistaken while Weimar is a Yorck hull the armor was thinned at the extremities to match light cruiser values.  Granted, the sample size was small but he said he would not waste his money on Weimar; Muchen was far and away a better ship. 

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1 hour ago, Qilang said:

Why not just Shchors?

I think Munchen is clearly better than Weimar. If you compare Shchors vs. Munchen, Munchen has much better concealment, 3 secs shorter reload time,  4 less guns, better torps. But I don't know, I just don't see Munchen has clear advantage over Shchors.

Well Shchors is an RU ship. Did you mean the Yorck (Tier 7 DM CA)?

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30 minutes ago, dashtardly said:

Well Shchors is an RU ship. Did you mean the Yorck (Tier 7 DM CA)?

no, I mean Shchors. When you play a T7 CL, does it matter she's Russian ship or Germany ship?

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53 minutes ago, Skpstr said:

Can you grind Shchors in 60 seconds? I can get Weimar and Munchen in that time frame..... I can even earn the money to buy them faster.

Having said that, I don't pay money for ships, but you can see where I'm going with that ...

Yes.

actually anyone can freexp to T7 ship, not much FXP needed.

On the other hand, if you are a total rookie and buy a T7 right away, most likely you wont enjoy her fully.

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Just now, Qilang said:

no, I mean Shchors. When you play a T7 CL, does it matter she's Russian ship or Germany ship?

Sure - you might have a special captain for Germany but not Russia.  Certainly you have captains you want to train/re-train (more common than not to NOT have a special captain for a premium ship - just pop one of your tech tree captains in and play it).

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Munchen is the clear winner - she's quick and smart and if you build it right it's a long-range punisher. 

Weimar just seems like a Yorck with extra steps...and frankly, it's an interwar hull with bad range. 

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Weimar sounds like it would be a better ship than Munchen for Narai. I was a little dissatisfied with Munchen in Operation Narai. I think that Weimar's torps would be quite formidable in Narai when matched with 12 low arc guns. The speed boost might be quite a benefit also. If German captains had enhanced Gun Feeder skill, I would consider getting this just for Narai. As it stands I will stick with Boise, as my go to Narai ship.

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8 minutes ago, Sovereigndawg said:

Weimar sounds like it would be a better ship than Munchen for Narai. I was a little dissatisfied with Munchen in Operation Narai. I think that Weimar's torps would be quite formidable in Narai when matched with 12 low arc guns. The speed boost might be quite a benefit also. If German captains had enhanced Gun Feeder skill, I would consider getting this just for Narai. As it stands I will stick with Boise, as my go to Narai ship.

I bought Weimar more or less just for Narai.  So far I am VERY happy with her performance.  Her short range is obviously not a concern in there and the DPS/punch has been preforming fantastic.  She's a bit squishy but I am figuring out some lines and I think I will be running it in here very often.

Based on my runs so far, I would buy again in a second.  Keep in mind that this response is only from the perspective of Narai, I have only taken her into one random mode battle so far.

 

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1 minute ago, Burnsy said:

I bought Weimar more or less just for Narai.  So far I am VERY happy with her performance.  Her short range is obviously not a concern in there and the DPS is/punch has been preforming fantastic.  She's a bit squishy but I am figuring out some lines and I think I will be running it in here very often.

It might work out on my most trusted Boise line of attack. Here is the replay for this battle if you are interested. I think the speed would greatly enhance the effectiveness of this route, which is the Boise's biggest flaw. Good luck with her and let me know how she does please, 8,800 doubloons wouldn't break the bank.

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17 minutes ago, Sovereigndawg said:

It might work out on my most trusted Boise line of attack. Here is the replay for this battle if you are interested. I think the speed would greatly enhance the effectiveness of this route, which is the Boise's biggest flaw. Good luck with her and let me know how she does please, 8,800 doubloons wouldn't break the bank.

 

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Here is a run I just got out of.  I made some mistakes and I have room for improvement but it was a good run.

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3 minutes ago, Burnsy said:

Here is a run I just got out of.  I made some mistakes and I have room for improvement but it was a good run.

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Sweet, I may have to open the wallet for this one. I could imagine what that score would be like with all special signals and a good camo mounted. I thought it looked like a Narai monster ship. Very impressive damage @Burnsy

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3 hours ago, Gemlin said:

I would NOT buy the Weimar. They put the disclaimer that they can nerf this boat.

I highly doubt you will see any premium ship released without this disclaimer moving forward.

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4 hours ago, Qilang said:

Why not just Shchors?

I think Munchen is clearly better than Weimar. If you compare Shchors vs. Munchen, Munchen has much better concealment, 3 secs shorter reload time,  4 less guns, better torps. But I don't know, I just don't see Munchen has clear advantage over Shchors.

Schors and Munchen are very different.

 

Schors is the typical "Play Long Range or DIE" Russian CL.  Munchen is an improved "German Atlanta."

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Munchen is a little light in Ops Narai. However when played carefully she can be very much a part of the overall success. However munchen's guns are a little runt.

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