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This is a proposal to the WG staff to create and offer a US Coast Guard Treasury-class cutter as a premium ship in the Tier II – III range in the US Tech Tree.

During World War II, these ships (also known as the Secretary-class or 327s), were used extensively in the Battle of the Atlantic, escorting merchant convoys throughout the war. Toward the end of the war, these ships also served as amphibious task force flagships during America’s island-hopping campaign against Japan. As a testament to their quality and reliability, Treasury-class cutters went on to serve in Korea and Vietnam. Originally thought to serve for 25 to 30 years, they continued to sail into their late 40s and even early 50s.

Based off the US Navy’s Erie-class gunboat (the Tier 1 ship in the US Tech Tree), Treasury-class cutters were built in 1937 and designed to be highly adaptable and boast exceptional seakeeping characteristics. Before WWII, the ships were equipped with two 5-inch/51-caliber guns in the two forward mounts. When the cutters entered WWII service, armament was changed several times. The most common weapon configurations for Treasury-class cutters during WWII came in two varieties, with one configuration unique to the Taney (WPG/WAGC/WHEC-37):

  • 3 x 5”/51 cal
  • 3 x 3”/50 cal
  • Depth charge racks, mixture of Y-gun, K-guns

OR

  • 2 x 5”/51 cal
  • 4 x 3”/50 cal
  • Depth charge racks, mixture of Y-gun, K-guns

Unique to the Taney (1943)

  • 4 x 5”/38 cal dual-purpose
  • Depth charge racks, mixture of Y-gun, K-guns

From 1941 to 1944, Treasury-class cutters typically boasted 8 x 20mm AA guns, in addition to the 5” and 3” guns, resulting in good anti-aircraft protection. Torpedo tubes were also added aft of the ship after WWII during the Cold War. Maximum speed has been cited at 21 knots.

Offering these ships at the Tier II or III level would put them in good stead with fellow ships within this range in terms of speed and armament. It would also make them more widely accessible in terms of doubloon cost to the World of Warships playing community. Additionally, two of these cutters were preserved and now serve as museum ships: Taney, in Baltimore, and Ingham (WPG/WAGC/WHEC-35), in Key West, Florida.

The US Coast Guard has served in every major war and conflict America has been involved in, and has served in exemplary fashion, often punching far above their weight class. However, the service has yet to be represented in WoWs; this class of ships offers an excellent opportunity. This author proposes to the WG staff that a ship from the Treasury-class be offered on August 4, the US Coast Guard’s birthday.

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USCGC Ingham is in Key West? I haven't seen her since she was in Patriots Point and I haven't been to Key West since they had USCGC Mohawk, and she was sunk in 2012. I think the PT boat was moved to Ohio before then, I feel like she wasn't there the last time I went.

To be honest, it feels like Wargaming is avoiding low tiers, probably cause the general population hasn't been playing anything lower than a tier 5. That, or they just figured they're better off making money on the higher tiers. A lot of early dreadnaughts I'd love to see, but I'd just be happy to see Samuel B Roberts, I think she'd be a good low tier.

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I like the notion of adding USCG vessels to the game.

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12 hours ago, Fallschirmfuchs said:

To be honest, it feels like Wargaming is avoiding low tiers, probably cause the general population hasn't been playing anything lower than a tier 5. 

Seems more like a chicken and egg thing to me. Low tiers get avoided because WG is neglecting them in favor of the tiers where more expensive premiums can be sold.

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I can get behind this, would be a nice shout out to the Coast Guard and also these ships that were rugged little workhorses from what I've read. 

Plus acouple of new low tier premiums would be nice once in a while....

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On 7/1/2021 at 9:09 AM, Lord_Magus said:

Seems more like a chicken and egg thing to me. Low tiers get avoided because WG is neglecting them in favor of the tiers where more expensive premiums can be sold.

Missions almost universally begin at Tier V, which I feel is why the lower, fun tiers are glossed over.

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Coast guard cutters and even many early destroyer escorts (and in UK parlance, sloops and corvettes) perhaps could and should make up the brunt of tier 1..... A handful of tier 1 ships (namely, Black Swan and Gryf) could easily be tier 2 because they can lay down a wall of fire unmatched by several tier 2s.

I doubt WG/WoWs would see justification in it, but a new set of operations, based around historic "brown water" and river patrol scenarios for the lower half of the tiers (ships with shallower draught)  might appeal to a lot of players. Call it "Gunboat Diplomacy" missions.

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On 6/30/2021 at 9:50 PM, Fallschirmfuchs said:

To be honest, it feels like Wargaming is avoiding low tiers, probably cause the general population hasn't been playing anything lower than a tier 5.

WG doesn't permit missions below t5. So unless your a seal clubber, a ww1 buff or a new player, anything below t5 is detrimental to your in game progression; any progression.

When the rewards are as high as they have been (dockyard events/campaigns/vanishing reward ships) lost progression hurts allot; especially to those with limited disposable time.

There needs to be not one but several dedicated low tier campaigns, and dedicated daily, or weekend low tier missions for the t2-3 range.

Tiers 4 and should get their exclusive daily mission range. T4 and 5 ships feel too unique to be squeezed into the t6/7 range due to the drastically more powerful BBs at that tier.

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I'd be up for that: cutters, sloops, corvettes, destroyer escorts, and specific missions tailored to those classes....

WG needs to recognize: no matter how much pressure to climb the ranks, or advertising on the backs of someone else's franchise, or fantasy class ships they add,

we're not all buying it. We're not all interested in that stuff, especially when a game starts to feel too much like a second or third job.

Casuals don't want pressure, we want fun. Forced, time-limited grindfests are not a definition of "fun" for all of us.

Yeah, we get it: WG wants everybody to buy the big expensive ships and bundles. But casuals just aren't going to commit that level of time and $$$ when the same amount of money can buy someone else's entire game complete with season passes.

 

Maybe just to see how much interest it attracts from the community, create some kind of PTS with these lighter ships doing specific missions suited to their capability range (some people hate escort missions, some don't mind them depending on the complexity, requirements, and difficulty), but without being exposed to and getting slaughtered by bigger vessels.

Sub hunts. Escort/protect the convoy... I'm sure getting creative with this class of ships wouldn't be difficult. (almost gets into torpedo boat category... that could be a mission for cutters and DEs: protect a convoy from PTs and E boats and hunt them down. That's almost a "World of Warships Lite"....)

Speaking of, I'll see your USCG Cutters, and raise you the USS Slater, last surviving USN destroyer escort. https://ussslater.org/

 

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Taney and a USCG low-tier premium have been discussed by the community at length over the past 5 years of WoWs, and unfortunately I don't think we're any closer to getting one.

Given the current soft constraints WG has self-imposed:
- updates maintain a regular cadence of tech tree additions
- tech trees come with a new gimmick
- focus on high-tier premiums (for anything that isn't part/parcel of the next techtree patch)
- probably no t2-4 premiums

And their stated harder constraints:
- 0 development effort on new (non-seasonal) PvE content
- no T1 premiums

I think the only faint hope is that they do something in the neighborhood of the Dunkirk, Superbattleship, and Bathtub Battles modes.  Fill a slow Q1/Q3 content gap with a special subs vs. sub-chasers game mode or Op with a handful of special ships available for it as a way to rope more people into sub gameplay.  Perhaps something like - 

Mode: Hidden Attackers
Maps: Archipelago, Polar, Big Race
Ships: T6 German, Italian, or Japanese subs, and special ships USCGC Taney (T4), HMCS Sackville (T4), USS Stewart (T4), etc.

Players: Maybe 7v5, with more players in subchasers than subs.
Allied team starts with 5 transports and a bot T6 BB (any US or UK).  The transports move from green base to red base; each transport that makes it to the circle scores 200 points for Allies (subchasers).  Axis (subs) cannot cap the allied base, but sinking a transport awards 200 points each.  Game ends when either team hits 1000 points or eliminates all enemies.  Cap points tick up normally to keep it from becoming needlessly drawn out.

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I second your idea, also I think playing a transport ship, and healing other ships or giving out some type of buff etc. would be a fun ship to run in a mission like your talking about above.  Like a landing ship playstyle for certain operations.  Just imho to mix up the fun stuff.

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On 6/30/2021 at 9:23 PM, uscg__1790 said:

The US Coast Guard has served in every major war and conflict America has been involved in, and has served in exemplary fashion, often punching far above their weight class. However, the service has yet to be represented in WoWs; this class of ships offers an excellent opportunity. This author proposes to the WG staff that a ship from the Treasury-class be offered on August 4, the US Coast Guard’s birthday.

If that were to happen it would need to be next year. It takes some time to develop a new ship. Even in the case of the Treasury class where the basic hull could be copy-pasted from Erie, the armor model would still have to be redone since they don't have Erie's belt armor.

My solution to the balance issues with these ships would be to class them as destroyers. Gun-only DDs are already an established thing now. And smoke plus engine boost would help get around the issues of their low speed. Ingham (1941, 3x1 5"/51) could be T3 or Taney (1943, 4x1 5"/38) could be T4.

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On 6/30/2021 at 8:23 PM, uscg__1790 said:

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This is a proposal to the WG staff to create and offer a US Coast Guard Treasury-class cutter as a premium ship in the Tier II – III range in the US Tech Tree.

During World War II, these ships (also known as the Secretary-class or 327s), were used extensively in the Battle of the Atlantic, escorting merchant convoys throughout the war. Toward the end of the war, these ships also served as amphibious task force flagships during America’s island-hopping campaign against Japan. As a testament to their quality and reliability, Treasury-class cutters went on to serve in Korea and Vietnam. Originally thought to serve for 25 to 30 years, they continued to sail into their late 40s and even early 50s.

Based off the US Navy’s Erie-class gunboat (the Tier 1 ship in the US Tech Tree), Treasury-class cutters were built in 1937 and designed to be highly adaptable and boast exceptional seakeeping characteristics. Before WWII, the ships were equipped with two 5-inch/51-caliber guns in the two forward mounts. When the cutters entered WWII service, armament was changed several times. The most common weapon configurations for Treasury-class cutters during WWII came in two varieties, with one configuration unique to the Taney (WPG/WAGC/WHEC-37):

  • 3 x 5”/51 cal
  • 3 x 3”/50 cal
  • Depth charge racks, mixture of Y-gun, K-guns

OR

  • 2 x 5”/51 cal
  • 4 x 3”/50 cal
  • Depth charge racks, mixture of Y-gun, K-guns

Unique to the Taney (1943)

  • 4 x 5”/38 cal dual-purpose
  • Depth charge racks, mixture of Y-gun, K-guns

From 1941 to 1944, Treasury-class cutters typically boasted 8 x 20mm AA guns, in addition to the 5” and 3” guns, resulting in good anti-aircraft protection. Torpedo tubes were also added aft of the ship after WWII during the Cold War. Maximum speed has been cited at 21 knots.

Offering these ships at the Tier II or III level would put them in good stead with fellow ships within this range in terms of speed and armament. It would also make them more widely accessible in terms of doubloon cost to the World of Warships playing community. Additionally, two of these cutters were preserved and now serve as museum ships: Taney, in Baltimore, and Ingham (WPG/WAGC/WHEC-35), in Key West, Florida.

The US Coast Guard has served in every major war and conflict America has been involved in, and has served in exemplary fashion, often punching far above their weight class. However, the service has yet to be represented in WoWs; this class of ships offers an excellent opportunity. This author proposes to the WG staff that a ship from the Treasury-class be offered on August 4, the US Coast Guard’s birthday.

A brilliant suggestion, plus they'd be ideal as a counter to subs.

Semper Paratus!

Though I would suggest they fix their crap with Missouri first, though I am not going to turn this into one of those threads.

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