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Is Downtier Damage Worth More?

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I thought I was doing pretty good, smacking three tier 7 battleships with my tier 5 Konig, but not only do the hits not hit much, it looks like there isn't much experience there either.

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2 minutes ago, Swervenkill said:

I thought I was doing pretty good, smacking three tier 7 battleships with my tier 5 Konig, but not only do the hits not hit much, it looks like there isn't much experience there either.

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In COOP,  earnings are reduced significantly

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1 minute ago, Boomer625 said:

In COOP,  earnings are reduced significantly

This.

Also, it's not the raw damage number that matters it's the percent damage done to ships. So 10K to a BB is worth far less than 10K to a DD. But yes, the higher tier the target is the more XP you will get from damaging them. So while you did a good amount of damage it was almost all to BBs which is going to be worth less than if done to other ships.

But the bigger issue here is that you're in coop which has terrible rewards.

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I'm OK with Coop being less points, but here's the next game:

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I did absolutely horribly with a Hawkins (What can I say, they red ships went everywhere else) and still only made 100 less experience. 

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7 minutes ago, Swervenkill said:

I'm OK with Coop being less points, but here's the next game:

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I did absolutely horribly with a Hawkins (What can I say, they red ships went everywhere else) and still only made 100 less experience. 

This is because you shot cruisers and DDs, where 8k and 3k damage is worth a significantly more percentage of a cruiser or DDs hp pool than a BB, so you got more xp.

3k on a 34,000 hp BB is not much, but the same 3k deal to a 10,000 hp DD is much more significant (literally 30% of its max hp).

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You get rewarded for the relative percentage of health you take away from a target. So 20k to a 100k hp battleship is worth a lot less than 20k from a 25k hp cruiser, since you're taking away 20% of that battleship's health and 80% of that cruiser's health.

There's a 10% xp / credits bonus per tier for damaging higher tier targets and a 10% reduction in xp / credits per tier for damaging lower tier targets.

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Let's see how that works out. Here's the percentage of damage on all the ships involved:

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Even if you include possible damage control the percentage to the battleships is substantially more. 

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5 minutes ago, HamptonRoads said:

In the second game, you also had a solo cap which is worth a lot of XP.

Good point, IIRC a cap is worth one sunk ship. The first battle I had a million potential damage and 5700 aircraft damage, but neither is worth much.

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39 minutes ago, Swervenkill said:

Good point, IIRC a cap is worth one sunk ship. The first battle I had a million potential damage and 5700 aircraft damage, but neither is worth much.

Solo cap is worth 2/3 a ship (this is also subject to tier adjustment.)

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33 minutes ago, Swervenkill said:

Let's see how that works out. Here's the percentage of damage on all the ships involved:

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Even if you include possible damage control the percentage to the battleships is substantially more. 

 

30 minutes ago, Swervenkill said:

Good point, IIRC a cap is worth one sunk ship. The first battle I had a million potential damage and 5700 aircraft damage, but neither is worth much.

Another discrepancy you need to account for is spotting and how it's weighted. You say the second match is in a Cruiser, in which you get over 4000 spotting damage vs 1000 in a BB. Thing is that DD's get the most XP for spotting, followed by Cruisers, with BB's and CV's depending on type of spotting swapping who has the worst xp gains for spotting (which is why CV's don't spend half the match being glorified spotting aircraft - it literally does not pay to and a win bonus means nothing if it's multiplying nothing). I believe one of the types has, or did, have a higher weighting on planes shot down, I forget which but yeah plane damage seems to be irrelevant usually. Battleships at one point got more XP for something, can't recall what after all these years.

Assuming the Wiki is up to date (because there have been plenty of times it's not) - the BB would get 10% of the spotting damage to the ship, versus the cruisers 30% out of 4000. First spot of a ship/spot after 90 seconds off map also generates bonuses as does torpedo spotting on a smaller scale and what not. 

https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Base_Earnings

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I find rolling dice in the dark on a full moon Friday night is a great way to predict your XP from any given game.

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On 6/25/2021 at 1:50 PM, Swervenkill said:

I'm OK with Coop being less points, but here's the next game:

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I did absolutely horribly with a Hawkins (What can I say, they red ships went everywhere else) and still only made 100 less experience. 

Is it just me, but is Hawkins just about the worst tech tree ship?

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2 hours ago, WM1957 said:

Is it just me, but is Hawkins just about the worst tech tree ship?

I don't think Hawkins is a bad ship, the biggest problem is that she is frequently up-tiered and is easy prey for high tier ships (both battleships, and cruisers.)  This goes for all t-5 cruisers, especially light cruisers.

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2 hours ago, WM1957 said:

Is it just me, but is Hawkins just about the worst tech tree ship?

It's not good.

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