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While there could be any number of causes, my first thought jumped to either mob or cartel-run construction. The building dates from the 80s, and organized crime was huge in south Florida at that time. 

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No point speculating right now as it could be any number of things. I'm sure the History Channel will run a special saying it could have been a mini black hole caused by aliens though.

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Just now, Estimated_Prophet said:

Looks like a building demolition...

3!

 3 comments to get to man made detonation. smells like conspiracy

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1 minute ago, skillztowin said:

3!

 3 comments to get to man made detonation. smells like conspiracy

No, didn't mean that specifically; just that the way it fell seemed very similar.

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38 minutes ago, Estimated_Prophet said:

Looks like a building demolition...

It sure did.

And it wouldn't need to be pure criminal activity.

I've seen enough crappy construction to not be surprised if they found out it was plain incompetence.

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32 minutes ago, DrHolmes52 said:

It sure did.

And it wouldn't need to be pure criminal activity.

I've seen enough crappy construction to not be surprised if they found out it was plain incompetence.

Would ‘ignored result’ or ‘pencil whipped the building inspection,’ fall under that?

I can’t imagine this just happened without some kind of warning indication. Corrosion, other types of material degradation, doors that won’t close properly, etc…

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2 hours ago, Estimated_Prophet said:

Looks like a building demolition...

That's actually pretty normal for a unplanned large building collapse as well. Gravity is the main force bringing a building down, and it only works one way. The real difference is how big a mess it makes, and how accurately it lands on it's own foundation.

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5 hours ago, Battleship_DukeofYork said:

While there could be any number of causes, my first thought jumped to either mob or cartel-run construction. The building dates from the 80s, and organized crime was huge in south Florida at that time. 

Sad.

I hope a full investigation will reveal the cause, and provide closure.

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The worst deaths must have been for those people living in the far right (seaside) units. If you were in the middle, at least it happened quickly - those ones on the end were likely shaken awake, could feel the room swaying like a drunk, and only then did it fall. There are few ways to go that are more horrific to me than falling chased by crushing. *Shudder.* Just terrible.

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6 hours ago, Estimated_Prophet said:

Looks like a building demolition...

Doesn't need to be due to explosive.  (And I don't see evidence of one.)  In a controlled demolition, an explosive is used to break some columns.  Here one likely just snapped.  The rest follows "naturally", i.e. the increased stress breaks adjacent weakened columns, and it cascades from there.

I bet they find that the concrete and rebar were insufficient to withstand salt water corrosion. Or that they weren't protected against it as they should have been.


Surely the death toll is higher than one now?

 

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6 hours ago, iDuckman said:

Doesn't need to be due to explosive.  (And I don't see evidence of one.)  In a controlled demolition, an explosive is used to break some columns.  Here one likely just snapped.  The rest follows "naturally", i.e. the increased stress breaks adjacent weakened columns, and it cascades from there.

I bet they find that the concrete and rebar were insufficient to withstand salt water corrosion. Or that they weren't protected against it as they should have been.


Surely the death toll is higher than one now?

 

I'm sure the death toll is at least 80. They're hearing sounds from the rubble, and am convinced they'll rescue 2-3 more people. But the idea that most of the 99 missing are coming out of this is - unfortunately - fantasy. This was the equivalent of a mid-sized airliner crash, and most people involved aren't walking away. I only hope that a number of other coastal highrises are condemned nationwide before it happens again, but I'm not holding my breath.

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You would think that they'd start an investigation into all of the other possible building code violations in the city but they probably won't. If there was enough corruption to skimp on building quality to begin with there probably is still enough corruption for other builders to continue getting away with it. There's going to be a load of lawyers get rich off this though if they can find a "big bad" with enough money. 

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