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One of the most-requested British ships is on her way to World of Warships as a Tier VI premium.  Here's a First Look at HMS Repulse.

 

 

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You need to actually look at Hood's armor scheme.  It doesn't have any stripped away for speed. There are traditional Tier VII BBs with less armor than Hood.

14" overmatch: 356/14.3=24.9

11" overmatch: 280/14.3=19.6

There is no BB gun in the game that does not overmatch Repulse's plating.  There are even cruisers in her MM spread that overmatch her plating.

This is not the case for Hood.

 

So, Hood is faster, better armored and better armed, has more health, has actual BB plating and is only a single tier higher.  Yeah, I wouldn't want to be Repulse in that matchup.

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19 minutes ago, Helstrem said:

So, Hood is faster, better armored and better armed, has more health, has actual BB plating and is only a single tier higher.  Yeah, I wouldn't want to be Repulse in that matchup.

So, what you're saying is Hood was built almost... to, 'suc-ceed' her predecessor class? Which I believe was the... :checks notes: ah, yes the Renown-class battlecruisers. 

In all seriousness though, I... waunt it? I really want to see some gameplay of her before I decide but IF she gets BC dispersion with those 15" guns, then yeah she could be a fun ship and serve as an excellent starting point to extrapolate out an entire British BC line. 

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3 minutes ago, Trophy_Wench said:

So, what you're saying is Hood was built almost... to, 'suc-ceed' her predecessor class? Which I believe was the... :checks notes: ah, yes the Renown-class battlecruisers. 

In all seriousness though, I... waunt it? I really want to see some gameplay of her before I decide but IF she gets BC dispersion with those 15" guns, then yeah she could be a fun ship and serve as an excellent starting point to extrapolate out an entire British BC line. 

Well, BB plating vs cruiser plating is entirely WG's arbitrary choice.  Otherwise it would be fine, but that cruiser plating basically makes Repulse a defenseless damage piñata.  He says in the video that it can kite, but it really can't since everything it faces can either AP overmatch its stern or HE pen it. 

My point about Hood is that it is much more of an improvement than you normally see in a single Tier.

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I feel like WOWS designed this ship for the 40 knots (adding swift in silence to her speed boost and flag will get you to 41 and change) memes, but that 16 mm armor just looks too squishy.  Any battleship she’ll face can overmatch her bow and stern, including Scharnhorst, and Graf Spee and the upcoming Congress will be able to do it too.  I mean, the ‘beating destroyers in a race’ thing is amusing, but not sure it will translate into an enjoyable experience.

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Man, have you ever tried to snipe in a Gneis? ... and this is what it looks like gun wise, a soft sniper Gneisenau. That ship main battery performance is exasperating, I really hope Repulse gets a significant accuracy buff over Gneis. All that speed won't mean anything unless you are able to hit something reliably, else it would be relegated to very situational hit & run tactics.

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FFS WG - give it 26mm plating like literally everything else and the same shells as Hood. It is literally a Hood with one less turret and less HP in exchange for being a tier lower. 

 

Either that, or make it a tier 9 large cruiser with an AA rebuild and CB dispersion, as it is basically a Siegfried. 

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The british ship lover in me: Man I want this ship, what a great historical addition to the game. 

The WOWs player in me: But MY GOD does she look crap, why would you spend money on this when you have a Hood and Belfast? 

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56 minutes ago, ArIskandir said:

Man, have you ever tried to snipe in a Gneis? ... and this is what it looks like gun wise, a soft sniper Gneisenau. That ship main battery performance is exasperating, I really hope Repulse gets a significant accuracy buff over Gneis. All that speed won't mean anything unless you are able to hit something reliably, else it would be relegated to very situational hit & run tactics.

Gneisenau has secondaries, torpedoes, and armor advantages, meaning to balance it meant making the main guns inaccurate. Expect Repulse to have accuracy closer to Thunderer.

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9 minutes ago, Shannon_Lindsey said:

Gneisenau has secondaries, torpedoes, and armor advantages, meaning to balance it meant making the main guns inaccurate. Expect Repulse to have accuracy closer to Thunderer.

Yeah, that's what I would expect but need to check it back in port. 214 mts at 19km with who knows what sigma doesn't look too impressive, at least at first sight. Do you remember Thunderer´s dispersion value?

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2 minutes ago, ArIskandir said:

214 mts at 19km with who knows what sigma doesn't look too impressive, at least at first sight.

Sigma's 2.0.  As for Thunderer's base dispersion value, it's 228m at 21.5km.

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2 minutes ago, landcollector said:

Sigma's 2.0.  As for Thunderer's base dispersion value, it's 228m at 21.5km.

Thank you. Then it looks similar to thunderer's indeed. Do you happen to have at hand Gneis dispersion values, to put this into perspective?

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16 minutes ago, ArIskandir said:

Thank you. Then it looks similar to thunderer's indeed. Do you happen to have at hand Gneis dispersion values, to put this into perspective?

255m at 19.5km.

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6 minutes ago, landcollector said:

255m at 19.5km.

Thank you again.

That's roughly 20% better dispersion than Gneis, I can't really tell how much of an improvement it would be considering ships at T6 ships are significantly smaller than Thunderer's couterparts... wait and see I guess. 

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From the Wiki:

Ship(s) Formulas
IJN BBs Range (R) x 7.2 + 84
American, British and German BBs R x 10 + 60
French and Italian BBs R x 9.8 + 66
Russian BBs R x 11.8 + 35
CA/CL R x 6.9 + 33
Destroyers and IJN CAs R x 7.5 + 15
Graf Spee and non-IJN large cruisers R x 8.4 + 48
Queen Elizabeth, Warspite, Hood, Vanguard and Ohio R x 10.3 +51
Mikasa R x 7.7 + 69
Azuma and Yoshino R x 9.5 + 15
Slava R x 5 + 105
*Chikuma, Albany, Aurora, Atlanta, Smolensk, Colbert R x 7.5 + 15
*Georgia, Thunderer R x 8.4 + 48
*Mogami mounted with the 155mm guns R x 6.9 + 33
*Nikolai I, Oktyabrskaya and Kronstadt R x 10 + 60

 

214m at 19.8km is Graf Spee/Large Cruiser/Thunderer dispersion.

@ArIskandir, Gneis has standard dispersion, but also has standard 1.8 sigma, with only six barrels.

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6 minutes ago, ZoomieG said:


214m at 19.8km is Graf Spee/Large Cruiser/Thunderer dispersion.

@ArIskandir, Gneis has standard dispersion, but also has standard 1.8 sigma, with only six barrels.

Thank you.

Graf Spee dispersion feels kinda terrible at max range, cranking that up to 19 km... not a fan. I don't see long range shots working all that great with just 6 barrels, at T10 is great because ships are huge and clumsy but T6 ships are tiny and very nimble, effective range will need be far closer... on a very soft ship. I'll need to wait and see how that works. 

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29 minutes ago, ZoomieG said:

From the Wiki:

Ship(s) Formulas
IJN BBs Range (R) x 7.2 + 84
American, British and German BBs R x 10 + 60
French and Italian BBs R x 9.8 + 66
Russian BBs R x 11.8 + 35
CA/CL R x 6.9 + 33
Destroyers and IJN CAs R x 7.5 + 15
Graf Spee and non-IJN large cruisers R x 8.4 + 48
Queen Elizabeth, Warspite, Hood, Vanguard and Ohio R x 10.3 +51
Mikasa R x 7.7 + 69
Azuma and Yoshino R x 9.5 + 15
Slava R x 5 + 105
*Chikuma, Albany, Aurora, Atlanta, Smolensk, Colbert R x 7.5 + 15
*Georgia, Thunderer R x 8.4 + 48
*Mogami mounted with the 155mm guns R x 6.9 + 33
*Nikolai I, Oktyabrskaya and Kronstadt R x 10 + 60

 

214m at 19.8km is Graf Spee/Large Cruiser/Thunderer dispersion.

@ArIskandir, Gneis has standard dispersion, but also has standard 1.8 sigma, with only six barrels.

What does Shikishima use?  At 26.6km it has a 232m dispersion with Aiming System Mod 1 installed.  Per my calculations Rx8.4+48 and Rx9.5+15 are both worse than what Shikishima displays. 

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16mm extremities?  She'll get Overmatched to hell and back by 229mm or larger AP shells. The protection scheme is also very poor.  "Don't go broadside then, duh!"

Except angling or worse, bow tanking is just as bad.  Common BB AP shells in mid tier, even 356mm, will Overmatch the 16mm extremities and plow into that awful armor scheme and get tons of Pens and Citadel hits.  WG even made it convenient to have flat Citadel surfaces to hit and punish when she tries to angle.

 

15" guns in Tier VI sounds fine until one realizes she only had 6 of them.  Unless these things are super accurate and reasonable in reload, her gunnery is already a Fail to me.  Most 6-8 gun BBs I have played have horrid gunnery and RNG really screws them over.  The best is Warspite, the rest are just horrible.

 

Doesn't look good to me with these initial impressions but she is there for the Royal Navy history fans.  She was real, and met her fate with Battleship Prince of Wales at the onset of the Pacific War in WWII.  The loss of Repulse & Prince of Wales in 1941 due to air attack was a big deal.  They were at sea, unlike the US Navy Battleships sitting still in Pearl Harbor.  There were doubts, even within the IJN, if air power could sink an actively sailing Battleship.  In "Japanese Destroyer Captain," Capt Hara said:
 

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When the first reports came in concerning action against the British ships, I was greatly concerned. There were only two Japanese cruiser-battleships in Malayan waters at the time. They were Haruna and Kirishima, both 27,500 tons. Built in 1912 and 1913, they were the oldest warships in service in the Imperial Navy. I did not think they would be any match for Britain’s “unsinkable” Prince of Wales and the combat-seasoned Repulse.

 

The flood of early messages from the vicinity of Malaya was bewildering and disturbing. Rear Admiral Shintaro Hashimoto (Commander Destroyer Squadron 3) reported that it would be difficult for his ships to make early contact with the British force. Submarine I-65 reported at 0430 on the 10th that it had lost sight of the British force because of rain squalls. Then radio signals began to jam each other and no intelligible broadcasts came through to us.

 

It was curious that not a single American warship would come out to fight us in the Philippines. But the British navy was now driving us panicky all over the area. Atmospherics suddenly cleared at 1400, and we picked up this message: “No aerial escorts observed above the British force.” Many more messages started coming in rapid succession:

“22nd Air Squadron bombs enemy battleship at 1420.”

“Enemy battleship torpedoed at 1430.”

“Aerial torpedo hit direct on enemy cruiser 1440. It now lists heavily to port.”

“One of five enemy destroyers set afire.”

“One enemy battleship exploded and is sinking at 1450.”

Now I was bewildered. Unbelievable things were happening. Japanese airplanes alone had sunk the Prince of Wales and Repulse!

 

The Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor never really impressed me as a measure of air strength because the enemy was taken unaware. As a destroyer specialist, my perspective was undoubtedly narrow. But the victory against the British in Malaya really shocked me. I had never considered airplanes to be so powerful.

 

My obstinacy was such that, even after the spectacular Malayan battle, I could not change my perspective. My confidence had been shaken, but I still believed that, since planes were hampered by weather, surface ships must still play a vital role, especially in all-weather battles. Thus, while I was forced to the realization that planes were certain to play an ever-increasing part in warfare, I clung stubbornly to the importance of my own field of interest and endeavor—destroyers.

 

It may well be that this very stubbornness, by maintaining my confidence in destroyers, increased my skill and enabled me to score the successes I did in the Pacific War and still survive so many savage battles.

 

I considered at length the British loss of that battleship and cruiser to aerial attack. But I could not possibly envisage that three years and four months later Japan would be suffering a parallel loss, and that I would be in command of the Japanese cruiser.

 

 

Repulse may be fast, but not faster than shells and definitely not faster than aircraft.

 

Thanks however, OP for the heads up.  I did not realize this ship was being worked on.

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Change that 16mm extremities to 25mm that same tier USN CAs have or 26mm that most t6 BBs have even if it means removing engine boost for balancing purposes, otherwise my wallet is closed.

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10 minutes ago, Rolkatsuki said:

Change that 16mm extremities to 25mm that same tier USN CAs have or 26mm that most t6 BBs have even if it means removing engine boost for balancing purposes, otherwise my wallet is closed.

Yeah, I feel like 31 knots (33 with speed flag) is plenty fast for a T6 BB, I’d take the armor for the speed boost straight up.

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2 hours ago, Helstrem said:

What does Shikishima use?  At 26.6km it has a 232m dispersion with Aiming System Mod 1 installed.  Per my calculations Rx8.4+48 and Rx9.5+15 are both worse than what Shikishima displays. 

Whelp, Ninja'd by the other thread (got called called away while typing my response here).

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Source: https://thedailybounce.net/world-of-warships/world-of-warships-update-0-9-4-changes-and-additions-supertest-datamining-submarines-are-coming/

 

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I think she actually looks ok overall. There's concern about the 16mm extremities - but hell, she's a T6 so she'll get the joy of seeing T8's with >380mm guns that overmatch even the normal 26mm plating at T6 anyway. Put her against a Warspite and they both merrily overmatch the other.

There are some ships that would be pretty awful - Hyuga with 12-barrels of overmatch, good accuracy and MBRB would be... a problem, as would say a good shooting Arizona with 12 barrels of overmatch.

On the plus side when angled her amidships is pretty AP resistant, and the side plating is very HE resistant too for a T6 battleship.

 

My concerns would be how some factors play together:

Sniper accuracy + long range (good) + slow shell flight times, weak AP pen and weak HE (bad) = yes you can theoretically get good dispersion, but against maneuvering or well armored targets, so what? Very easy to keep maneuvering and reduce the threat, or for most ships angle-against and hugely mitigate damage.

Incredible speed and engine boost (good) + very slow 3'/s gun traverse (bad) = shoot, or maneuver. If you look at the stats from LWM reviews for say Georgia/Jean Bart then they can achieve rates of turn of 4.1-4.3'/s and I suspect Repulse may be in the same ballpark. However those two ships get 4'/s and 5'/s turret traverse, while Repulse has 3'/s - better than QE and the same as Warspite, but on a hull that maneuverable and dependent on maneuvering? Worrying.

Incredible speed and engine boost (good) + abysmal AA (bad) = huzzah, I'm flanking the enemy - no wait, I'm getting smashed to bits for having the temerity to go anywhere by a carrier! Oh well, I'll just group up with my friends - oh well, they're 21kt battleships so now I have to troll around at half speed? I found that a problem with Normandie and Repulse looks bad there too. Good fast pushers like JB/Georgia have at least middling AA.

 

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4 hours ago, rallybackmonkey said:

Yeah, I feel like 31 knots (33 with speed flag) is plenty fast for a T6 BB, I’d take the armor for the speed boost straight up.

That base speed is super fast in Tier VI already, it makes 29.5kt Normandie look slow, and that's saying something.

 

Trade in Engine Boost for better extremities armor.

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Trade in Engine Boost for accurate 381mm guns and MBRB consumable, still keeping the light 16mm extremities.  This ship after all only has SIX guns and her AP is mediocre a.f.

3 hours ago, mofton said:

I think she actually looks ok overall. There's concern about the 16mm extremities - but hell, she's a T6 so she'll get the joy of seeing T8's with >380mm guns that overmatch even the normal 26mm plating at T6 anyway. Put her against a Warspite and they both merrily overmatch the other.

There are some ships that would be pretty awful - Hyuga with 12-barrels of overmatch, good accuracy and MBRB would be... a problem, as would say a good shooting Arizona with 12 barrels of overmatch.

On the plus side when angled her amidships is pretty AP resistant, and the side plating is very HE resistant too for a T6 battleship.

 

My concerns would be how some factors play together:

Sniper accuracy + long range (good) + slow shell flight times, weak AP pen and weak HE (bad) = yes you can theoretically get good dispersion, but against maneuvering or well armored targets, so what? Very easy to keep maneuvering and reduce the threat, or for most ships angle-against and hugely mitigate damage.

Incredible speed and engine boost (good) + very slow 3'/s gun traverse (bad) = shoot, or maneuver. If you look at the stats from LWM reviews for say Georgia/Jean Bart then they can achieve rates of turn of 4.1-4.3'/s and I suspect Repulse may be in the same ballpark. However those two ships get 4'/s and 5'/s turret traverse, while Repulse has 3'/s - better than QE and the same as Warspite, but on a hull that maneuverable and dependent on maneuvering? Worrying.

Incredible speed and engine boost (good) + abysmal AA (bad) = huzzah, I'm flanking the enemy - no wait, I'm getting smashed to bits for having the temerity to go anywhere by a carrier! Oh well, I'll just group up with my friends - oh well, they're 21kt battleships so now I have to troll around at half speed? I found that a problem with Normandie and Repulse looks bad there too. Good fast pushers like JB/Georgia have at least middling AA.

 

Her 16mm extremities will get Overmatched to hell and back by 229mm or larger AP shells... Which is pretty much everything with a BB icon.  Even Tier VIII Odin and her "puny" 305mm guns will Overmatch her easily.

 

Even if Tier VI Repulse gets a strictly mid tier game of only Tier V thru VII ships, pretty much every BB will Overmatch her to hell and back, even the 356mm armed ones.  There are many 356mm armed BBs in mid tiers and a number of them very good like Arizona, Fuso, King George V.  Hell, even Duke of York and her 356mm AP with special features will feast on Repulse.  The Tier V-VII French BBs with 340mm guns will Overmatch easily.

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