Does the new Dutch line need a gimmick to be viable???

[CrazyHorse_Denver]

The road leading this game to becoming WoWPlanes includes the new Dutch line. Now I haven't checked the stats on any of the ships... I'm sure that Lert has and probably a few others. What I'm wondering is are these ships so weak they needed an additional weapon gimmick or could they have stood alone as viable ships in the game? I can think of a few lines that need attack aircraft to overcome shortcomings but is the new Dutch line one of those.

Opinions welcome... 

[goldenpollywog]

They can make the Dutch line whatever they want to do this is a fantasy game after all. 

 But if I was a Dutch sailor I'd be pretty insulted that WG thinks I'm so weak I would have to call in the RNAF for support. 

[Dr_Powderfinger]

I'm guessing if you took away the planes that Dutch cruisers would need some sort of buff - the base firepower and gunnery is probably underwhelming on it's own.

That said I'm not a  huge fan of basing new lines of ships on "gimmicks", especially ones that bring more planes(boooo!) into matches.

[ArIskandir]

I'll tell you when I test them tho... the question is bit senseless as national flavor=gimmicks. So the dutch AND every other nation become viable by their gimmicks

[TheArc]

Unfortunately, based on the other ships stats, I think yes they need something. WG seems to be thinking (and perhaps purchases reward it...) that new ships can't be subtle changes and unique in little ways, but rather larger ones. And IMO it's screwing up the balance of the game significantly with each new gimmick.

But when subs come out, if they do better balancing them than what they've shown on test... everything will be different than it was anyway, so... for now, it just all feels temporarily in suspension to me.

[Spud_butt]

Hiiiiii everybody!! :o)

Everybody on my dad's side of the family moved to the USA from Denmark, and more than a few served in the Danish Navy. why don't we have a danish tech tree line!!?? i have photos of the Danmark!! it's real. They could start an entire Danish BB line based on the Danmark, armed with pistols and Finnish knives. because you know about the Finns and their (edited) knives, right??

i voted, and did not get a button. I got vaccinated, and did not get a prize, nor win a lottery. 

i LOVE what WG has done with planes in the game, and can hardly wait till subs are in the game! oh, goody!!

Here's a list of everything that i love about planes, CVs and Subs so far:

 

 

(ed. note: pretty sure is responsible for the Dutch line... and he was SOO patient!! :o) 

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[PotatoMD]

I think the Dutch cruisers can cut out a niche for themselves by being the only tech tree supercruisers 

[LuckyStarFan]

Without a gimmick their base stats are mediocre.  No radar, no torpedoes, nothing special about their guns.  There's no real reason to play them over other heavy cruiser lines.

[Lert]

With their relatively short range and slow reloads, they need something else added to be viable. Take away the gimmick, buff their gunnery and they should be fine.

[paradat]

Well we have soooo many lines now that....well... yeah they need something to be different.

[CrazyHorse_Denver]

3 hours ago, ArIskandir said:

I'll tell you when I test them tho... the question is bit senseless as national flavor=gimmicks. So the dutch AND every other nation become viable by their gimmicks

 

2 hours ago, paradat said:

Well we have soooo many lines now that....well... yeah they need something to be different.

 

2 hours ago, Lert said:

With their relatively short range and slow reloads, they need something else added to be viable. Take away the gimmick, buff their gunnery and they should be fine.

I always thought that an entire tech tree line of Dutch ships... possibly the only one we'll get... was enough of a gimmick to make them "different" with their own "national flavor". It was all I needed to want to play them.

The question now becomes did they nerf the guns to add on this gimmick or were the real life guns so weak they needed the gimmick to make up for it. If it's the first and the attack aircraft don't do enough damage than they've just gimped an entire line of ships.

[Lert]

6 minutes ago, CrazyHorse_Denver said:

The question now becomes did they nerf the guns to add on this gimmick or were the real life guns so weak they needed the gimmick to make up for it.

No. In fact, the T8 premium De Zeven Provincien had a stated reload of between 4 and 6 seconds, depending on gun elevation. In its current iteration in game it has 7.5s reload.

[Knetka]

I think the idea behind their planes is very solid and good for the game. To deal with island campers and smoke when you have no radar. They just need their planes to be able to be shot down, as that is the only problem I've seen so far really apart from there ability to delete a ship instantly, but that is because of the multiple charges issue , which they seem to be working on fixing, apart from that they are a supercruiser line which is something people have wanted for a good while, also good to have cruisers that can tank, though without fighting them myself I can not say if there citadels are a bit much or whatnot.