Bring back German Secondaries!!!

[TarasBulba_]

Dear WoWs, 

 

Please bring back the secondaries for the German fleet. By nerfing them, you basically emasculated them. That's the thing that makes the German line great.

[Sinboto]

I've just come back from a break, old PC caught on fire and I needed a new one, all I hear is how much the high tier secondary guns suck now so I'm afraid to pull them out because I loved them before and don't want the disappointment.

[frankfletcher_1]

German secondaries matter

All secondaries matter

[SaiIor_Moon]

1 hour ago, TarasBulba_ said:

Dear WoWs, 

 

Please bring back the secondaries for the German fleet. By nerfing them, you basically emasculated them. That's the thing that makes the German line great.

Pshhh, bring back secondaries PERIOD. Secondaries accuracy across the board is abysmal. Buff ISBA to at LEAST -45% dispersion and that will go a long way to making secondary builds viable on battleships without improved secondaries dispersion, German BBs, AND the USN improved secondaries whilst simultaneously reining in the overperforming USN secondaries BBs, which I firmly believe was the reason they over-nerfed secondaries in the first place, in such a manner.

[SaiIor_Moon]

26 minutes ago, frankfletcher_1 said:

German secondaries matter

All secondaries matter

[Padoru_]

not gonna happen cause WG only is babysitting CVs and now ships with planes.

Maybe they will buff submarines too, and all the crap they balance by population and not actual gameplay.

[SaiIor_Moon]

1 hour ago, Sinboto said:

I've just come back from a break, old PC caught on fire and I needed a new one, all I hear is how much the high tier secondary guns suck now so I'm afraid to pull them out because I loved them before and don't want the disappointment.

WELL....Let's put it this way, the secondaries dispersion area has grown by 164%, accuracy is effectively down by 63%. These are the actual results if you do the math. That 25% buff drop has a MUCH BIGGER effect on the dispersion than 25%, that's for double sure.

So let's look at these quick values a sec (just horizontal dispersion):

123.2m (that's Massachusetts max dispersion at 11.3km using the old Manual Secondaries (extrapolated from a full secondaries build without ISBA, then taking that number and subtracting 60% of that value, which is the -60% dispersion value))

200m (that's Massachusetts max dispersion at 11.3km using the ISBA skill (-35% dispersion))

200 - 123.2 = 76.8 (that's the difference of dispersion in meters)

[76.8/123.2] x100 = 62.34% MORE dispersion (and remember, that's JUST the horizontal dispersion. This is basically more than doubled because of vertical dispersion)

Head to WoWs Fitting Tool and try it out yourself! All the values are there, it's really handy! Oh, and this massive dispersion gain applies ACROSS THE BOARD, to ALL battleships.

Yep. Secondaries were beyond over-nerfed. That is a verifiable fact, and the math actually proves it. Which is sad, because secondaries builds are amazing, and a lot of fun. They promote brawling, which is a LOT of fun too! Yes, you can technically brawl without secondaries, but it's fun to get your secondaries in on the action!

[Princess_Daystar]

4 hours ago, SaiIor_Moon said:

WELL....Let's put it this way, the secondaries dispersion area has grown by 164%, accuracy is effectively down by 63%. These are the actual results if you do the math. That 25% buff drop has a MUCH BIGGER effect on the dispersion than 25%, that's for double sure.

So let's look at these quick values a sec (just horizontal dispersion):

123.2m (that's Massachusetts max dispersion at 11.3km using the old Manual Secondaries (extrapolated from a full secondaries build without ISBA, then taking that number and subtracting 60% of that value, which is the -60% dispersion value))

200m (that's Massachusetts max dispersion at 11.3km using the ISBA skill (-35% dispersion))

200 - 123.2 = 76.8 (that's the difference of dispersion in meters)

[76.8/123.2] x100 = 62.34% MORE dispersion (and remember, that's JUST the horizontal dispersion. This is basically more than doubled because of vertical dispersion)

Head to WoWs Fitting Tool and try it out yourself! All the values are there, it's really handy! Oh, and this massive dispersion gain applies ACROSS THE BOARD, to ALL battleships.

Yep. Secondaries were beyond over-nerfed. That is a verifiable fact, and the math actually proves it. Which is sad, because secondaries builds are amazing, and a lot of fun. They promote brawling, which is a LOT of fun too! Yes, you can technically brawl without secondaries, but it's fun to get your secondaries in on the action!

Some ships cant really brawl without then though :(

Brawling in a Bismarck used to be alot more fun than it is now.(even with the bugged secondary firing angles), but now id rather brawl in a NCarolina, its shells do more damage and are more accurate, along with better firing angles and an extra barrel.

[Sinboto]

17 hours ago, SaiIor_Moon said:

WELL....Let's put it this way, the secondaries dispersion area has grown by 164%, accuracy is effectively down by 63%. These are the actual results if you do the math. That 25% buff drop has a MUCH BIGGER effect on the dispersion than 25%, that's for double sure.

So let's look at these quick values a sec (just horizontal dispersion):

123.2m (that's Massachusetts max dispersion at 11.3km using the old Manual Secondaries (extrapolated from a full secondaries build without ISBA, then taking that number and subtracting 60% of that value, which is the -60% dispersion value))

200m (that's Massachusetts max dispersion at 11.3km using the ISBA skill (-35% dispersion))

200 - 123.2 = 76.8 (that's the difference of dispersion in meters)

[76.8/123.2] x100 = 62.34% MORE dispersion (and remember, that's JUST the horizontal dispersion. This is basically more than doubled because of vertical dispersion)

Head to WoWs Fitting Tool and try it out yourself! All the values are there, it's really handy! Oh, and this massive dispersion gain applies ACROSS THE BOARD, to ALL battleships.

Yep. Secondaries were beyond over-nerfed. That is a verifiable fact, and the math actually proves it. Which is sad, because secondaries builds are amazing, and a lot of fun. They promote brawling, which is a LOT of fun too! Yes, you can technically brawl without secondaries, but it's fun to get your secondaries in on the action!

Just out of a odin battle 53 hits in a brawl with multiple ships, disappointment doesn't even begin to cover it. 

[xHeavy]

Nope.

Hang a ram flag.

Badabump.

[SaiIor_Moon]

1 hour ago, Sinboto said:

Just out of a odin battle 53 hits in a brawl with multiple ships, disappointment doesn't even begin to cover it. 

Geez, that's just.....soul-crushingly bad. 53 hits? THAT'S IT?! And that's the German BB secondaries dispersion...imagine on a battleship WITHOUT even that!!! It's absolutely just horrid.