Jump to content
Sign in to follow this  
You need to play a total of 20 battles to post in this section.
Snargfargle

New AA record for my Massy

21 comments in this topic

Recommended Posts

10,284
[PSP]
[PSP]
Members
15,739 posts

Why do CVs continue trying to sink the best AA ship on the enemy team?

image.thumb.png.375e43385323c59cae55d19662258bb9.png

  • Cool 1
  • Boring 3

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
164
[NES]
Members
267 posts
6,098 battles

I see your hand and I will raise you this 
shot-20_10.21_01_51.16-0242.thumb.jpg.92d2971e773e6e9f7aa5e18ece61622c.jpg

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2,885
[PVE]
Members
9,038 posts
25,427 battles
1 hour ago, jondoom said:

I see your hand and I will raise you this 
shot-20_10.21_01_51.16-0242.thumb.jpg.92d2971e773e6e9f7aa5e18ece61622c.jpg

But...he got 69 & you only got 66 planes shot down... that's not a raise.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
201
[KSD]
Members
302 posts
10,114 battles
4 hours ago, IfYouSeeKhaos said:

But...he got 69 & you only got 66 planes shot down... that's not a raise.

It's a tier lower and has worse AA.  So on balance, I can see how this is a raise. 

  • Funny 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1,114
Members
5,789 posts
11,624 battles

Nope - can't happen.  According to CCs and those "in the know" know - that AA is, and I quote "Useless"....  :)

Edited by CylonRed

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Members
519 posts
931 battles

And again. All the key details missing. Red CV tier. How many CV's. How many fighters. And you know, the WHOLE context of how the game went.

But. Massachusetts is a tough BB to grind down. Which is why it's a solid pick when the 1v1's come around.

Edited by Vasili_One_Bonk_only

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
157
[WOLFA]
Members
435 posts
23,971 battles

A few minutes ago....Alabama.

 shot-21_05.28_10_21.29-0058.thumb.jpg.4a2f35ededc8e1b3465fa11c2664817c.jpg

And this is for you Vasili :cap_like:.

Only 6 figthers, 34 tier 8 planes. 53 tier 6 planes. But they almost got me at the end. I believe Shokaku was stock.

shot-21_05.28_10_22.47-0735.thumb.jpg.3fb3e00ab7ae0706cac989495831fa04.jpg

 

  • Cool 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Members
519 posts
931 battles
8 minutes ago, Mala_suerte71 said:

A few minutes ago....Alabama.

 shot-21_05.28_10_21.29-0058.thumb.jpg.4a2f35ededc8e1b3465fa11c2664817c.jpg

And this is for you Vasili :cap_like:.

Only 6 figthers, 34 tier 8 planes. 53 tier 6 planes. But they almost got me at the end. I believe Shokaku was stock.

shot-21_05.28_10_22.47-0735.thumb.jpg.3fb3e00ab7ae0706cac989495831fa04.jpg

 

Nice. Context helps a lot.

  • Cool 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
171
[VAST_]
Members
297 posts
7,314 battles

@Snargfargle I have been experimenting w AA skills a bit lately, just wondering about your captain skills and equipment? Is this built for AA improvements at all?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1,266
[X-PN]
Members
2,110 posts
13,625 battles

It was a ranked sprint game (the 1 v 1 kind) but once did 154 planes with Mammy vs. Lexi.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
601
[KILL]
Members
1,100 posts
12,894 battles
2 hours ago, CylonRed said:

Nope - can't happen.  According to CCs and those "in the know" know - that AA is, and I quote "Useless"....  :)

Let me splain this to you in dummy terms.

Fighters which likely consitituted a lot of that are useless.   Shooting down useless planes is useless.

A CV who is a terrrible player is going to get a ton of planes shot down by high aa ships.   But the CV player is terrible so the planes are useless.   Once again, shooting down useless planes is useless.

Any other useless use of your useless aa results in more utter uselessness.

Got it?  good.

  • Cool 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
10,284
[PSP]
[PSP]
Members
15,739 posts
20 minutes ago, CapnCazuul said:

@Snargfargle I have been experimenting w AA skills a bit lately, just wondering about your captain skills and equipment? Is this built for AA improvements at all?

Because my Massachusetts is secondary-spec'd I have no AA skills selected. It seems to do just fine against planes without them.

image.thumb.png.943053fe26c205702177858f4350aeb8.png

image.png.acfda91ba27949a7f75b904498286dd6.png

  • Thanks 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1,355
[CAAT]
Members
2,351 posts
5,434 battles
9 hours ago, Snargfargle said:

Why do CVs continue trying to sink the best AA ship on the enemy team?

image.thumb.png.375e43385323c59cae55d19662258bb9.png

I still remember when my California downed SEVENTY PLANES!!!.....aaaand still sank to said planes. Big oof.

They continue trying to sink you because they can (assuming they're skilled enough to avoid flak, of course). Still, looks like you had a decent game : )

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1,355
[CAAT]
Members
2,351 posts
5,434 battles
23 minutes ago, WES_HoundDog said:

Let me splain this to you in dummy terms.

Fighters which likely consitituted a lot of that are useless.   Shooting down useless planes is useless.

A CV who is a terrrible player is going to get a ton of planes shot down by high aa ships.   But the CV player is terrible so the planes are useless.   Once again, shooting down useless planes is useless.

Any other useless use of your useless aa results in more utter uselessness.

Got it?  good.

In other words....AA is a whole lotta useless, got it :P

44 minutes ago, CapnCazuul said:

I have been experimenting w AA skills a bit lately, just wondering about your captain skills and equipment? Is this built for AA improvements at all?

I am not Snargfargle but I would like to answer this, since I have done testing of said AA skills, and I would HIGHLY recommend NOT investing into an AA build. Sure, you deplane CVs a little bit better but:

a) CVs aren't in every match, so the build is IMMENSELY situational.

b)CVs will still be able to strike you regardless of how many planes you shoot down. Especially at the beginning, your AA is not enough to stop the attacking planes. IIRC AA targets the LAST plane in the squadron, so you won't be hitting those attacking planes, even if said CV loses a few planes in the squadron. See here from the WoWs wiki itself on AA fire:

Continuous damage is applied to the last plane in the squadron.[6]

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
171
[VAST_]
Members
297 posts
7,314 battles
36 minutes ago, SaiIor_Moon said:

In other words....AA is a whole lotta useless, got it :P

I am not Snargfargle but I would like to answer this, since I have done testing of said AA skills, and I would HIGHLY recommend NOT investing into an AA build. Sure, you deplane CVs a little bit better but:

a) CVs aren't in every match, so the build is IMMENSELY situational.

b)CVs will still be able to strike you regardless of how many planes you shoot down. Especially at the beginning, your AA is not enough to stop the attacking planes. IIRC AA targets the LAST plane in the squadron, so you won't be hitting those attacking planes, even if said CV loses a few planes in the squadron. See here from the WoWs wiki itself on AA fire:

Continuous damage is applied to the last plane in the squadron.[6]

Thanks! I have a hard time trying to decide about AA skills/equipment. The other skills (in particular for cruisers) are so lackluster after the rebork that I figured might as well get a little extra actual damage output/somewhat of a deterrent. But your point A is one I too have considered. I do have ships I've built for AA (Baltimore, DM, Goliath) that seem to me to maybe deter CV attacks more than others but not sure how much of that is just perception.

 

Edited by CapnCazuul
  • Cool 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1,676
[ARR0W]
Members
4,244 posts
26,694 battles

Ah, the lesser Alabama. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
13,481
[WOLF3]
[WOLF3]
Members
32,203 posts
26,997 battles
11 hours ago, Snargfargle said:

Why do CVs continue trying to sink the best AA ship on the enemy team?

image.thumb.png.375e43385323c59cae55d19662258bb9.png

Even in the RTS CV days there were a lot of CV players that did so.  Just like with any other ship type, not all those CV players were Unicums.  Even after you slaughtered 2 waves of bombers completely with little to no damage done against you, they'd try again.  Sometimes the match situation forced them to do so, but other times it wasn't required, and they'd just throw away their planes.

 

Good example I still remember from way back in the day was my AA Spec Lyon.  It was the Early Access phase of the FRBB release, I just got her and I wanted to test her AA.  I sailed out in open water all alone and dared the Tier VII Kaga player to come after me.  If you remember, Kaga in the RTS days was a terrifying aerial beast in Tier VII.  RIP if you were a Tier V and Kaga wanted you dead.  Anyways, I felt this was a great chance to truly test Lyon's AA and she came through with flying colors.  Every attempt the Kaga tried I had butchered the planes with very high losses for the player.  The kicker was the Kaga tried multiple times through the beginning phase of the match.  It got to the point that the Kaga player basically deplaned itself against me without even trying to attack anyone else, especially our DDs and lower tier BBs with nonexistent AA (simultaneous Kaga torpedo bomber cross drops were hell for DDs).

  • Cool 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1,427
[RBMK]
Members
2,339 posts
36,760 battles
12 hours ago, Snargfargle said:

Why do CVs continue trying to sink the best AA ship on the enemy team?

image.thumb.png.375e43385323c59cae55d19662258bb9.png

Had the same experience. What were they thinking?

15FCD337-8F90-40C8-96E7-496470FD89D5.jpeg

  • Cool 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
10,284
[PSP]
[PSP]
Members
15,739 posts
2 hours ago, SaiIor_Moon said:

a) CVs aren't in every match, so the build is IMMENSELY situational.

I learned long ago that if your ship has the option of either hydro or defensive AA fire that it pays to take hydro in most situations.

  • Cool 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
164
[NES]
Members
267 posts
6,098 battles
13 hours ago, IfYouSeeKhaos said:

But...he got 69 & you only got 66 planes shot down... that's not a raise.

Scharnhorst has atrocious AA, even Gneisenau has better AA at the same tier. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
770
[-N-]
[-N-]
Alpha Tester
1,010 posts
14 hours ago, Snargfargle said:

Why do CVs continue trying to sink the best AA ship on the enemy team?

image.thumb.png.375e43385323c59cae55d19662258bb9.png

Just remember AAA doesn't work lol.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Sign in to follow this  

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

×