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Eurobeat (Yuro) is righ!!

1) The time has come for Uncle WG to make models with slight differences for Hiei, Haruna and Kirishima (They are basically copied/pasted from Kongo's model)

2) Fully upgraded Kongo (and their clones) have more Hit Points than German BB Odin?  Really?.... REAAAALLLYYYYY?

Tier V Kongo (and their clones): 54100 Hp

Tier VIII Odin: 52800 Hp

 

 

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Actually, they are all the Hiei.

The Kongo, Haruna, and Kirishima have longer towers.  The Hiei was made as a prototype for the Yamato.

Kongo class model inaccurate - Battleships - World of Warships official forum

 

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14 minutes ago, AVR_Project said:

Actually, they are all the Hiei.

The Kongo, Haruna, and Kirishima have longer towers.  The Hiei was made as a prototype for the Yamato.

Kongo class model inaccurate - Battleships - World of Warships official forum

 

Back when accurate models was a concern

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37 minutes ago, Xwing_Red1 said:

Tier V Kongo (and their clones): 54100 Hp

Tier VIII Odin: 52800 Hp

Odin has torps and secondaries...

Kongo is not that good of a ship at tier 5...

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6 minutes ago, Navalpride33 said:

Odin has torps and secondaries...

Kongo is not that good of a ship at tier 5...

Kongo is the second best BB at Tier V....

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8 minutes ago, Navalpride33 said:

Odin has torps and secondaries...

Kongo is not that good of a ship at tier 5...

Well. you almost got a point; Sadly, Scharnhorst, as a tier 7 BB has torps, secondaries and... 56300 Hp

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1 minute ago, Xwing_Red1 said:

Well. you almost got a point; Sadly, Scharnhorst, as a tier 7 BB has torps, secondaries and... 56300 Hp

But not hydro.

Odin was grossly over powered when it had ~60k health.  As it is Odin is doing just fine.

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3 minutes ago, Helstrem said:

Kongo is the second best BB at Tier V....

Even more reason to compare, food for thought... Kongo dont face the same threats as the Odin...

At worse an ATL or Flint or a good schor... Therefor it survives longer even a potato can score decent in a match...


Odin has more offensive and defensive advantages the Kongo Wishes it had....

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14 minutes ago, Navalpride33 said:

Odin has torps and secondaries...

Kongo is not that good of a ship at tier 5...

What the hell did you just say about the best non-premium tier v battleship?

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Just now, Navalpride33 said:

Even more reason to compare, food for thought... Kongo dont face the same threats as the Odin...

At worse an ATL or Flint or a good schor... Therefor it survives longer even a potato can score decent in a match...


Odin has more offensive and defensive advantages the Kongo Wishes it had....

Odin is not in need of any buffs.  I was just objecting to the description of Kongo as a poor ship.  It is quite good, but I do suspect it has a higher skill cap than most BBs.

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Just now, Helstrem said:

Odin is not in need of any buffs.  I was just objecting to the description of Kongo as a poor ship.  It is quite good, but I do suspect it has a higher skill cap than most BBs.

In same tier yes...

In tier 6 match meh

Tier 7 match oh no she is not the best...


So in turn this is a perspective issue more then anything else... My perception is (IMO) the Kongo is a meh ship overall...

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I would like for Odin to have more health. It's never going to happen because more health would probably make Odin OP. Has anyone got a screenshot of a Kongo match, co-op or random, where they survived and brought in numbers like this? BTW, this match is from this morning. Odin was money well spent. She looks unique and is fun to play.

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17 minutes ago, Xwing_Red1 said:

Well. you almost got a point; Sadly, Scharnhorst, as a tier 7 BB has torps, secondaries and... 56300 Hp

And Tirpitz at tier 8 has torpedoes, secondaries and..69300 HP, So yea..i unno what they hell they did with the odin. I love mine, buut...Tirpitz is better imo in every aspect. Still one of the best tier 8 premiums IMO.

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18 minutes ago, Navalpride33 said:

In same tier yes...

In tier 6 match meh

Tier 7 match oh no she is not the best...


So in turn this is a perspective issue more then anything else... My perception is (IMO) the Kongo is a meh ship overall...

I'd take Kongo over any Tier V BB, save perhaps Giulio Cesare, in a Tier VII match because only Kongo has speed to control her fate in a Tier VII match.

It is completely unreasonable to expect any ship to dominate when it is bottom tier.

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4 minutes ago, Singularity_invader said:

The second best is Oktyabrskaya Revolutsiya, comrade. 

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Yeah, no.  12" guns and 21 knots do not make for second best.  I am not saying it is bad, but it is very limiting to what you can do, call it a low skill ceiling.  Kongo's skill ceiling is much higher.

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33 minutes ago, HamAndCheez said:

I would like for Odin to have more health. It's never going to happen because more health would probably make Odin OP. Has anyone got a screenshot of a Kongo match, co-op or random, where they survived and brought in numbers like this? BTW, this match is from this morning. Odin was money well spent. She looks unique and is fun to play.

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Well, it depends.  Was your Odin match a pure 8 or an 8-10 spread?  You have to remember that even if just pure 8, you have a lot more damage potential to deal vs T5 for the simple reason that ships at that tier have a lot more HP.  So to pull numbers like that would only be feasibly possible if Kongo is bottom tier.  Not saying impossible, just not likely.  That being said (and note it is a pure T5 Co-Op match in HSF Hiei):

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I have both Kongo and HSF Hiei spec'd exactly the same in Commanders skills and module selection.  I saw zero difference between their numbers so this should count. :Smile_Default:  I was only running eco flags, no specials.

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Ima let you finish, but Odin does not have the lowest HP pool at T8. That honor belongs to Champagne.

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1 minute ago, Volron said:

Well, it depends.  Was your Odin match a pure 8 or an 8-10 spread?  You have to remember that even if just pure 8, you have a lot more damage potential to deal vs T5 for the simple reason that ships at that tier have a lot more HP.  So to pull numbers like that would only be feasibly possible if Kongo is bottom tier.  Not saying impossible, just not likely.  That being said (and note it is a pure T5 Co-Op match in HSF Hiei):

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I have both Kongo and HSF Hiei spec'd exactly the same in Commanders skills and module selection.  I saw zero difference between their numbers so this should count. :Smile_Default:

That was co-op.  That doesn't count at all.

That said, I have had comparable Kongo class matches in PvP, but I don't have a screenshot of it.

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12 minutes ago, Helstrem said:

That was co-op.  That doesn't count at all.

That said, I have had comparable Kongo class matches in PvP, but I don't have a screenshot of it.

I was responding to Ham's post specifically, not to topic in general.  He asked if anyone had a screenshot of a Kongo Co-Op or Random match of numbers similar to his Co-Op Odin match.

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50 minutes ago, Torenico said:

What the hell did you just say about the best non-premium tier v battleship?

Pyotr Velikiy and Konig would like a word.  Even Iron Duke wants to talk. Kongo has speed and good range and that is about it.

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52 minutes ago, HamAndCheez said:

I would like for Odin to have more health. It's never going to happen because more health would probably make Odin OP. Has anyone got a screenshot of a Kongo match, co-op or random, where they survived and brought in numbers like this? BTW, this match is from this morning. Odin was money well spent. She looks unique and is fun to play.

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Is this close? I know it's not a Kongo but personally I like the Oklahoma more and it's also Tier 5.  The Odin was also quite a beast in straight up T8 ranked. 

 

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1 hour ago, Navalpride33 said:

In same tier yes...

In tier 6 match meh

Tier 7 match oh no she is not the best...

tier 5 in a tier 7 match is a rough ride, but Kongo is certainly one of the best tier 5BB to be in.

If you compare her in some key assets:

In term of speed, she goes to 30 knots, where:

Conte Di Cavour 22 knot

Pyotr Veliky 265 knot

Bretagne 21 knot

New York 21 knot

Iron Duke 22.5 knot.

Konig: 24 knot

 

So she is the only battleship at tier 5 that have a speed similar to the average at tier 7 (in fact, very few are faster than her in BB), giving her the capacity to not be run down or left behind like the other tier 5.

 

Plus in term of range:

Kongo: 21.2 km

Conte Di Cabour: 16.1 km

Pyotr Veliki: 16 km

Bretagne: 18.1 km

New York: 18 km

Iron Duke: 16.8 km

Konig: 16.5 km

 

So she have more range and speed than any of the other tier 5 tech tree ships, making her quite capable when down tiered. Even in the case of tier 7 ship comparison, no battleship have more range, and the only ship quicker than her is Gneisenau.... Needless to say that the other tier 5 are forced to play with no possible retreat, armor that cannot withstand tier 7 ships and not enough gun range to have some sort of immunity.

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Karstodes said:

tier 5 in a tier 7 match is a rough ride, but Kongo is certainly one of the best tier 5BB to be in.

If you compare her in some key assets:

In term of speed, she goes to 30 knots, where:

Conte Di Cavour 22 knot

Pyotr Veliky 265 knot

Bretagne 21 knot

New York 21 knot

Iron Duke 22.5 knot.

Konig: 24 knot

 

So she is the only battleship at tier 5 that have a speed similar to the average at tier 7 (in fact, very few are faster than her in BB), giving her the capacity to not be run down or left behind like the other tier 5.

 

Plus in term of range:

Kongo: 21.2 km

Conte Di Cabour: 16.1 km

Pyotr Veliki: 16 km

Bretagne: 18.1 km

New York: 18 km

Iron Duke: 16.8 km

Konig: 16.5 km

 

So she have more range and speed than any of the other tier 5 tech tree ships, making her quite capable when down tiered. Even in the case of tier 7 ship comparison, no battleship have more range, and the only ship quicker than her is Gneisenau.... Needless to say that the other tier 5 are forced to play with no possible retreat, armor that cannot withstand tier 7 ships and not enough gun range to have some sort of immunity.

 

 

 

Dang, P. Veliky moving even faster than Graf Zeppelin's planes... lol. :Smile_teethhappy:

Russian bias for sure, lel. :Smile_teethhappy:

Yes, I know, you made a little typo. I'm just having a little fun... lul. :cap_haloween:

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9 minutes ago, Blorgh2017 said:

Dang, P. Veliky moving even faster than Graf Zeppelin's planes... lol. :Smile_teethhappy:

Russian bias for sure, lel. :Smile_teethhappy:

Yes, I know, you made a little typo. I'm just having a little fun... lul. :cap_haloween:

Oil boilers? We do not do that in Soviet Russa! Our glorious battleship use the people powered RBMK reactor to reach a greater speed than the fall of the USSR!

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