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I played for a while some time ago, making it to T8 in american heavy cruisers. I ended up quitting for what I feel was a very valid reason.

I SUCK at this game lol. Stat wise I averaged out to barely mediocre, but it was always a struggle. I always either played myself into bad positions or just got clapped due to being outplayed. Mainly I struggled with basic tactics and accuracy, but I could occasionally aspire to mild decency. I know all of my frustrations came down to simply being crap, and I can admit that. But I miss the game, and I want to get back into it. But I don't even know where to start. I quit playing shortly after the CV rework, and so much has changed I feel overwhelmed.

I'm not sure I want to continue down the American HC line as I did not enjoy the island hugging tactic required for bad players like me to do well. I love BBs, and I think maybe it might suit me best. I don't know what nations trees might be better for a person trying to improve their gameplay though, and I don't know if I should continue down the american BB line I've already progressed down (T6 or 7 i don't remember) or if I should shart a new line and work through the tiers again, hoping I can get some opponents more in my skill level. I also have no idea what the heck I should be doing in terms of all these events and things its just a lot.

I could use some guidance, pls be gentle I know I'm bad.

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Play coop and Ops for chill play if you don't want the stress and aggravation of randoms. Coop is a bit of a mess right now, there seems to be a glitch in the system which is making teams either 2 humans or all humans, but I'm sure that will be resolved soon enough. If you are a BB or CA player, that won't matter much in terms of ship selection. Randoms are tough, I don't like to lose and if I was just plain bad at the game, I'd probably take the above advice. Regarding BB lines; I think the soviet is still the "easiest" line to go up. They are pretty simple playing; bow tank and move slowly forward or throttle back to reverse. Of course that's oversimplification,  but compared to other lines they are super tanky and have great mid range guns. USA can be a great all around BB line to play too, though the play is very slow up until NC in tier 8. NC is one of the games best BBs in terms of solid all around play. Great guns, range, conceal, speed, adequate armor. Iowa is more of the same. Back to American heavies, Baltimore is supposed to be the diamond in the rough of the line, and DM the diamond. If you are not enjoying the Balty, bail out now. 

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7 minutes ago, Pirate_Named_Sue said:

Play coop and Ops for chill play if you don't want the stress and aggravation of randoms. Coop is a bit of a mess right now, there seems to be a glitch in the system which is making teams either 2 humans or all humans, but I'm sure that will be resolved soon enough. If you are a BB or CA player, that won't matter much in terms of ship selection. Randoms are tough, I don't like to lose and if I was just plain bad at the game, I'd probably take the above advice. Regarding BB lines; I think the soviet is still the "easiest" line to go up. They are pretty simple playing; bow tank and move slowly forward or throttle back to reverse. Of course that's oversimplification,  but compared to other lines they are super tanky and have great mid range guns. USA can be a great all around BB line to play too, though the play is very slow up until NC in tier 8. NC is one of the games best BBs in terms of solid all around play. Great guns, range, conceal, speed, adequate armor. Iowa is more of the same. Back to American heavies, Baltimore is supposed to be the diamond in the rough of the line, and DM the diamond. If you are not enjoying the Balty, bail out now. 

Doesn't COOP grinding to progress take forever? I remember it being massively less xp. The rest of the advice seems sound, I can always come back to the american line so I'll try the soviet ships. doesn't take much to get to t5 and I'll know if I like them or not.

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3 minutes ago, Mr_Ryumaru said:

Doesn't COOP grinding to progress take forever? I remember it being massively less xp. The rest of the advice seems sound, I can always come back to the american line so I'll try the soviet ships. doesn't take much to get to t5 and I'll know if I like them or not.

I play premium time, I'll take home 3k+ for first win bonus games and usually ok on credits. Not terrible if you are casual. 

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1 minute ago, Pirate_Named_Sue said:

I play premium time, I'll take home 3k+ for first win bonus games and usually ok on credits. Not terrible if you are casual. 

Well shoot even in my bad randoms I was netting 6-20k depending, with premium and signals

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BBs are the way to go for the easiest play.  Also, don't worry too much about not being good at the game.  It takes most people a thousand games to figure things out, and most of the prime learning happens in the 700-1000 game range, that you haven't gotten to yet.

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1 minute ago, Slimeball91 said:

BBs are the way to go for the easiest play.  Also, don't worry too much about not being good at the game.  It takes most people a thousand games to figure things out, and most of the prime learning happens in the 700-1000 game range, that you haven't gotten to yet.

I was told that before. I can see why that would be true, I'll try this new line and work through some lower tiers gain. I'll maybe be more patient with myself aha. Out of curiosity, what what be the nation if a guy wanting to be accurate at long ranges with his BB? Iirc it used to be japan but I tried that line at the time and it did not mesh well lol.

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12 minutes ago, Mr_Ryumaru said:

Doesn't COOP grinding to progress take forever? I remember it being massively less xp. The rest of the advice seems sound, I can always come back to the american line so I'll try the soviet ships. doesn't take much to get to t5 and I'll know if I like them or not.

To a certain extent that is true but you get more matches in per hour. The real problem with co-op is the much lower rewards per match making premium time a must above tier 6 or 7.

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My advice is that if you are struggling at a certain tier, don’t be afraid to drop back down until you have a better grasp of the basics. All you are doing is subjecting yourself to high levels of frustration in an environment that is not conducive to learning the lessons and skills you need. A lot of newer players feel a need to move up the tech trees too quickly and fall into the same trap you have. I would suggest starting other lines and playing at lower tiers if you still feel the need to make some sort of progress. This will not only give you a chance to practice in a more forgiving environment, but also give you a better grasp of the different characteristics of the various nations and classes.

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2 minutes ago, BrushWolf said:

To a certain extent that is true but you get more matches in per hour. The real problem with co-op is the much lower rewards per match making premium time a must above tier 6 or 7.

Yeah I just picked up the monthly offer and the 13 dollar signal pack bc this game is rough without them lol, but I remember once you get going on events and battles you can get a lot back, I like randoms and playing against others, I wanted to et better is all. I usually won between 1/3 to 1/2 of my games but it got bad at t8 lol.

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Just now, Nevermore135 said:

My advice is that if you are struggling at a certain tier, don’t be afraid to drop back down until you have a better grasp of the basics. All you are doing is subjecting yourself to high levels of frustration in an environment that is not conducive to learning the lessons and skills you need. A lot of newer players feel a need to move up the tech trees too quickly and fall into the same trap you have. I would suggest starting other lines and playing at lower tiers if you still feel the need to make some sort of progress. This will not only give you a chance to practice in a more forgiving environment, but also give you a better grasp of the different characteristics of the various nations and classes.

okay, that makes me feel better about it. I think it really was a case of I advanced to fast to a higher tier of players in a ship design i didn't like.

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1 hour ago, Mr_Ryumaru said:

I could use some guidance

went up both lines US cruisers to T6, more bother than worth it ... tried Soviet?   yeah bit squishy but other parts much better for me at least

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1 minute ago, Ozium said:

got up to T6 US cruisers, more bother than worth it ... tried Soviet?   yeah bit squishy but other parts much better for me at least

Hey now them american Heavy Cruiser can smack somebody around in short order. When you're in the right spot at the right time its just....delicious. But overall the playstyle didn'y suit me. Then I was given hydro and sonar and I was lost lol. I like a big BB. I'm going to try the Soviets now, I've only played the American and Japanese BBs before so it'll be new and fun.

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5 minutes ago, Mr_Ryumaru said:

Then I was given hydro and sonar and I was lost lol

lol, just more tools in the box. their great for when the occasion arises  

started cruisers and expanded a bit from there as time passed, but also my glasses are tinted for co-op as prefer the game speed opposed to randoms

 

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lol, just more tools in the box. their great for when the occasion arises  

started cruisers and expanded a bit from there as time passed, but also my glasses are tinted for co-op as prefer the game speed opposed to randoms

 

True. My other issue with Co-op was I'm greedy and the games were so short bc everything died so fast lol. Still fun, and I can see the appeal.

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4 minutes ago, Mr_Ryumaru said:

True. My other issue with Co-op was I'm greedy and the games were so short bc everything died so fast lol. Still fun, and I can see the appeal.

get some damage and hopefully some kills then boom next game  :Smile_playing:

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My approach back in the day was to advance all lines (except CV’s) up to T6 before moving higher.  There are so many lines now that I’m not sure that is a valid approach anymore, but I do recommend taking a couple of DD lines up to T6 to go along with your CA and BB lines.  Learning the different play styles really helps when you come up against them.

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Try having a look at the video series by iChase, if haven't already. Only issue might be that you have to look for it on YT because embedded videos are somewhat broken on the forum right now.

 

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3 hours ago, Mr_Ryumaru said:

I played for a while some time ago, making it to T8 in american heavy cruisers. I ended up quitting for what I feel was a very valid reason.

I SUCK at this game lol. Stat wise I averaged out to barely mediocre, but it was always a struggle. I always either played myself into bad positions or just got clapped due to being outplayed. Mainly I struggled with basic tactics and accuracy, but I could occasionally aspire to mild decency. I know all of my frustrations came down to simply being crap, and I can admit that. But I miss the game, and I want to get back into it. But I don't even know where to start. I quit playing shortly after the CV rework, and so much has changed I feel overwhelmed.

I'm not sure I want to continue down the American HC line as I did not enjoy the island hugging tactic required for bad players like me to do well. I love BBs, and I think maybe it might suit me best. I don't know what nations trees might be better for a person trying to improve their gameplay though, and I don't know if I should continue down the american BB line I've already progressed down (T6 or 7 i don't remember) or if I should shart a new line and work through the tiers again, hoping I can get some opponents more in my skill level. I also have no idea what the heck I should be doing in terms of all these events and things its just a lot.

I could use some guidance, pls be gentle I know I'm bad.

If I were to offer advice, as an average player, start in COOP/Scenarios and first and foremost; have fun......  Don't make any progression choices for a few weeks and have fun......  And, the new concept is that 21 point CDR's are like my "precious" from the LOTR's:  One Captain to Rule them all !  That way, you have one Captain per Nation that can play any Premium ship you have....!  COOP/Scenarios may take a little longer to grind anything BUT, there is far less stress, toxic & meta behaviors and, more actual fun that PVP (which, is a complete mess after the Skill Tree Change...)

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2 hours ago, Purple_Dawn said:

My approach back in the day was to advance all lines (except CV’s) up to T6 before moving higher.  There are so many lines now that I’m not sure that is a valid approach anymore, but I do recommend taking a couple of DD lines up to T6 to go along with your CA and BB lines.  Learning the different play styles really helps when you come up against them.

Same here. Currently only have 3 lines below tier 7. To me it's still a good approach.

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3 hours ago, Mr_Ryumaru said:

Doesn't COOP grinding to progress take forever? I remember it being massively less xp. The rest of the advice seems sound, I can always come back to the american line so I'll try the soviet ships. doesn't take much to get to t5 and I'll know if I like them or not.

Now is not a good time to play coops. In addition to the fact that people are grinding for dockyard missions, WG's glitch/deliberate change has made coop games to be either full of humans or almost full of bots, which would just be effed up since you either get little to no reward to compensate leveling up, or risk to lose the game way more than before.

Low to mid tier randoms would probably be better at this moment.

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26 minutes ago, Singularity_invader said:

Now is not a good time to play coops. In addition to the fact that people are grinding for dockyard missions, WG's glitch/deliberate change has made coop games to be either full of humans or almost full of bots, which would just be effed up since you either get little to no reward to compensate leveling up, or risk to lose the game way more than before.

Low to mid tier randoms would probably be better at this moment.

Unless your Boat has no AA - In which case it is just CV fodda.  Oh snap, even boats with AA are CV fodda.  

 

Ignore my comment.

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If you want to have both a fun experience and get good at the game, I suggest you either look for a clan willing to help you and play in div with you, or just good player willing to play with you.

 

You can learn by yourself but honestly, I find less and less fun playing this game in solo. At least having a div mate you can rely on and learning how to do stuff in the process is more encouraging. 

 

However, you need to play with good player really. If playing with good player can help you improve, playing with bad player will just make you worse at the game. 

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13 hours ago, Nevermore135 said:

My advice is that if you are struggling at a certain tier, don’t be afraid to drop back down until you have a better grasp of the basics. 

I can only second this. By far the best advice.

You will learn much more by playing tier 4 and 5 in Randoms than playing tier 8 in co-op. 

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