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Co-Op can we talk about waiting longer for human teamates?

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All weekend and today, 90+% of the matches featured 7 (sometimes 8) out of 9 teamates as AI ships.

My suggestion is make the possible wait time longer - say 60sec rather than 30sec to at least have the possibility of no more than 4 AI friendlies.

Don't tell me "Oh you'll get more more chances at kills" because you don't.

AI programming is crap. They ram way too often, run aground and can't dislodge themselves. 

Oh yeah and intentionally get in your path.

And no I won't accept your suggestion to go play random.

 

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5 minutes ago, Musket22 said:

All weekend and today, 90+% of the matches featured 7 (sometimes 8) out of 9 teamates as AI ships.

The fact that it's either 2 humans or all humans with little or nothing in between suggests to me there's a bug somewhere.

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It doesnt matter how long the wait time its, if noone is playing coop noone is playing coop. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

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16 minutes ago, Ensign_Cthulhu said:

The fact that it's either 2 humans or all humans with little or nothing in between suggests to me there's a bug somewhere.

It better be a bug, instead of some "sekrit" change behind players' back.

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I actually like the bot teams.

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They offer better scores, more challenge and about the same loss rate as all human teams.

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Play carefully and get more enjoyment and more average damage stats, it's all good in my experience.

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With Bots.

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Without bots.

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I'll take the two humans with bots over all humans any day and I really like the dumber bots on my team.

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It has been happening to me as well. How the matches turn out for me depends greatly on which ship I am using. some matches a good. Others an out right disaster.

It is puzzling though when you are in the que it tells you there is 20 plus players on your level and you end up with only two humans in the game consistently

there must be a bug.

 

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10 minutes ago, Sovereigndawg said:

I'll take the two humans with bots over all humans any day and I really like the dumber bot teams.

It depends on which ship you're in. I wouldn't like to score a two-human battle in something like an Asashio, especially if the green bots are lousy and my human colleague derps; it'd be very hard to pull off a carry because I have no alpha strike against my primary predators. Likewise CV; if the green bots fold too quickly, the Red AI will put a fast destroyer or gun cruiser through to you and you're screwed because its DPM is actually far higher than yours. OTOH if the Greens struggle but last just long enough, a single human in a CV can run a damn good damage farm.

Give me a Hizen or Musashi, on the other hand, and I will wreak bloody mayhem.

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I am pretty sure that the "BUG" has something to do with the top tier algorithm.

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3 minutes ago, Ensign_Cthulhu said:

I wouldn't like to score a two-human battle in something like an Asashio, especially if the green bots are lousy and my human colleague derps; it'd be very hard to pull off a carry because I have no alpha strike against my primary predators.

I agree, but I also know that there is a bug of some kind going on and choose my ships accordingly.

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It's been a long, long time.  But I seem to recall, when I first started out in the protected MM mode, that my first Co-Op games were usually two humans and the rest bots.  The same in Randoms, it was usually two humans vs. two humans with the rest of the teams bots.  Am I misremembering?  Anybody else have that memory?

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This “bug” sucks. It’s making coop as bi-polar as randoms. 
 

you get a team of humans and have to fight tooth or nail for every bit of HP or you get a team with one human who usually yolos and dies leaving you the responsibility of actually having to carry ... lord knows how the “friendly” AI is going to play, you’re just as likely to catch a broadside of torps from them as from the reds. Figure your crapout WG. Randoms are too much when I’m tired and now coop is a crapshow when I’m tired too, meaning I’m just logging out and watching bad tv with my dog. 🤣 my dog is great with it ...

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10 minutes ago, Ensign_Cthulhu said:

It depends on which ship you're in. I wouldn't like to score a two-human battle in something like an Asashio, especially if the green bots are lousy and my human colleague derps; it'd be very hard to pull off a carry because I have no alpha strike against my primary predators. Likewise CV; if the green bots fold too quickly, the Red AI will put a fast destroyer or gun cruiser through to you and you're screwed because its DPM is actually far higher than yours. OTOH if the Greens struggle but last just long enough, a single human in a CV can run a damn good damage farm.

Give me a Hizen or Musashi, on the other hand, and I will wreak bloody mayhem.

I've said a team's WR with less than 3 humans in coop is highly ship-dependent in another thread, but some people still chose to justify whatever WG does and say "the fewer humans there are the better the game would be".

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1.  I've been grinding the tier 8 and tier 9 IJN gunboat lines the past week for the RB.  I have seen more battles with just 2 humans than 'usual'.  But I have also seen alot of battles between where there is just 1 human to where the whole team is human players.  So I am not having issue with where battles are either just 2 humans or all humans.

2.  I would rather WG not change the battle wait timer.  I would rather have a speedy wait with bots than a prolonged wait for the chance of more human players.

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2 minutes ago, Patton5150 said:

I would rather WG not change the battle wait timer.  I would rather have a speedy wait with bots than a prolonged wait for the chance of more human players.

This was never a wait timer change to begin with.

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35 minutes ago, Sovereigndawg said:

I actually like the bot teams.

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They offer better scores, more challenge and about the same loss rate as all human teams.

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Play carefully and get more enjoyment and more average damage stats, it's all good in my experience.

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With Bots.

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Without bots.

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I'll take the two humans with bots over all humans any day and I really like the dumber bots on my team.

Me too! :Smile_teethhappy:

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2 minutes ago, Singularity_invader said:

This was never a wait timer change to begin with.

The past is irrelevant.  People are currently asking for WG to lengthen the current wait timer.  I stated that I would not want WG to make that change.

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2 minutes ago, Patton5150 said:

The past is irrelevant.

Why? You do know just because something is "new" doesn't mean it's "good"?

3 minutes ago, Patton5150 said:

People are currently asking for WG to lengthen the current wait timer. 

I've never seen anyone doing such thing, on the forum or in the game, but sure, you can claim whatever nonsense you want, because WG can't do anything wrong, right?

4 minutes ago, Patton5150 said:

I stated that I would not want WG to make that change.

And for that I would agree with you, but that's not even the point.

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7 minutes ago, Singularity_invader said:

Why? You do know just because something is "new" doesn't mean it's "good"?

I've never seen anyone doing such thing, on the forum or in the game, but sure, you can claim whatever nonsense you want, because WG can't do anything wrong, right?

And for that I would agree with you, but that's not even the point.

You've never seen anyone claim that  they want WG to increase the wait timer?  Did you even read the OP's post?  He wants WG to increase the timer.  And that is just one example.

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Just now, Patton5150 said:

You've never seen anyone claim that  they want WG to increase the wait timer?  Did you even read the OP's post?  He wants WG to increase the timer.  And that is just one example.

That's just his suggestion as a compromise after this ridiculous change, which I don't think you can blame him for.

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29 minutes ago, Sovereigndawg said:

I agree, but I also know that there is a bug of some kind going on and choose my ships accordingly.

I am too, but even in an unbugged world there are those days where you end up on a mostly-bot team.

22 minutes ago, Singularity_invader said:

I've said a team's WR with less than 3 humans in coop is highly ship-dependent in another thread, but some people still chose to justify whatever WG does and say "the fewer humans there are the better the game would be".

If you're the sort of player who only takes ships that have high carry potential in co-op, you are going to have that sort of attitude because you can carry all the time - but unfortunately, you're also potentially more likely to be blind to the pitfalls it can create for others.  I happen to agree with you regarding the ship-dependence of human-sparse teams, BTW.

It would be fascinating if the bot captains all had their individual strengths and foibles, such that you knew that if you were on a team with :Lutjens:, :Cunningham: and :Scheer: (for instance), you could have bot team-mates you could rely on to kill at least one or two before they went down and would have a smooth ride, whereas less well-known admirals might give you a battle you knew from the start you had to struggle through.

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Why in heavens would you like more humans in Coop? ... Me, just give me as much bots on my side as possible, and make them dumb and useless.

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I don't think changing the wait time will have any effect on the 2/9 humans in games.  This looks (either on purpose or accident, or both) as a programming issue, not a too few player issue.

I'm not up for waiting longer anyways.

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53 minutes ago, Singularity_invader said:

I've said a team's WR with less than 3 humans in coop is highly ship-dependent in another thread, but some people still chose to justify whatever WG does and say "the fewer humans there are the better the game would be".

I'm another one that welcomes bot teammates.  I don't mind getting a bunch of extra XP when I'm in a strong ship, and I don't mind the occasional challenge when in a ship that has less carry potential.  Its a win win for me, and that has nothing to do WG being right or wrong.

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1 hour ago, Singularity_invader said:

I've said a team's WR with less than 3 humans in coop is highly ship-dependent in another thread, but some people still chose to justify whatever WG does and say "the fewer humans there are the better the game would be".

Well, I am one of those but it has nothing to do with justifying anything WG does. Fewer humans on the team actually does mean much better rewards and an actual challenge in Co-op. I am loving these 1 or 2 human teams. Am having some of my best games ever. It is nice to have games mixed in where it isn't a death race between a full team to get what damage you can before everything dies 5 mins in. Also nice to actually have to think about what you are doing so you don't die or lose on points, work with your teammate to win, and such. I had a couple 300K+ games this morning that were nail biters. Lots of fun (seriously).I don't care what ship I am in it is a blast. It's easiest in a BB of course but bring it on be it a DD, Cruiser, or CV. I'm game. :Smile_izmena:

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1 hour ago, Rub_My_Cit_BB said:

It doesnt matter how long the wait time its, if noone is playing coop noone is playing coop. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

That isn't it. There are LOTS of people playing Co-op. There seems to be a bug in the queue that keeps spitting out 2 human/7 bot teams. The queue can be full of other players and it can happen. Honestly, I like it and am not complaining. I wish others complaining would stop. It isn't every game and when it does happen you have a much betetr chance at a big game. I am surprised at some of the people I have seen complain about it as they are Co-op mains like me and should know it is actually a good thing for us.

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