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CV's shouldn't be premium

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No question CV's have a large impact on the game.  So if WG doesn't quite get the stats balanced for a CV premium, it could come out very OP.

Since WG has a policy not to change premiums (which is understandable), I really think they should stop making CV's premium.

 

MvR was dominate upon release.  28K citadel bomb drops with regularity.  I did over 175k in clan battles regularly and sometimes 200k+.  It needed a nerf.  Imagine it was a premium though and they wouldn't?

Just saying WG, stop making CV's premium so you can balance them as needed after release.

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Ehhhhhhh.  I mean I dislike CVs as much as the next hater  but  they are here and If people want to buy them thats fine.    The problem with CVs won't be fixed through some small balance adjustments.  It will more likely take an AA rework that brings in manual AA  or some other larger mechanic change to address them properly. 

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lol, it's true, the ship(s) have sailed.

My issue, you might have 6 totally balanced (with respect to each other) T10 CV's, and then they release a premium CV that is totally off the charts OP.  It sucks for the health of the game if they don't adjust that lone crazy OP CV.  But since it's premium, they won't. 

 

Balancing the entire class of CV's?  That's an entirely different discussion that usually happens daily.

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17 minutes ago, Glamorboy said:

Since WG has a policy not to change premiums

...for now. Many recent premiums have “balance” disclaimers and WG is testing nerfs to special ships. I have a feeling we are going to have a “GC-gate” 2.0 eventually, as the game continues to evolve and become more complex.

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They might not change a premium ship once it’s been released but they can change other things, namely captain skills. 

Yes, I’ll bring it up again but many of my mid-tier destroyers (mostly Russian, German) got whacked with the nerf bat with the new “Grease the Gears” skill. The old skill (Expert Marksman?) was based on gun size (smaller guns like those found on a DD) received a higher rate of improvement compared to larger ships like BBs and cruisers. The “Sand in the Gears” skill is a constant percentage increase across the board. One of my favorite DDs (Gremy) now has a slower turret traverse than the Lenin even with a super Russian skipper that has an increased grease the gears. Haven’t played her in weeks...

If they want to nerf something, WGing will find a way...

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35 minutes ago, Glamorboy said:

lol, it's true, the ship(s) have sailed.

My issue, you might have 6 totally balanced (with respect to each other) T10 CV's, and then they release a premium CV that is totally off the charts OP.  It sucks for the health of the game if they don't adjust that lone crazy OP CV.  But since it's premium, they won't. 

 

Balancing the entire class of CV's?  That's an entirely different discussion that usually happens daily.

 

First, Immelmann is not a premium ship.  It is a special ship (Silver icon inside of gold leaf), just like every T10 that isn't tech tree.  Not a premium (gold icon inside of gold leaf).  These have always been more open to being changed than actual premiums (See Thunderer recently).

Second, he saying that that ship has sailed, because the last new actual premium that was sold in the shop (Flandre) had a new disclaimer on it that says basically "Hey, just so you know, we might change this ship".  The old adage that WG doesn't mess with premiums, seems to have left the building.

If WG wants to make direct changes to Immelmann, they are going to.

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Personally I don't like it because it means more CVs in the que...There will be a lot of people in the Imm that don't even play CVs otherwise...but I'm a CV hater so /shrug...

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58 minutes ago, Glamorboy said:

It needed a nerf.  Imagine it was a premium though and they wouldn't?

Just saying WG, stop making CV's premium so you can balance them as needed after release.

I don't think you understand why premium ships exist...that's the point, innit?

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59 minutes ago, Glamorboy said:

Imagine it was a premium though and they wouldn't?

It's called Enterprise. And it is no longer on sale. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Aside from that, pretty much all premium/resource CVs are actually weaker than the meta tech tree options as I'm quite sure is intended, so eh?

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58 minutes ago, Glamorboy said:

No question CV's have a large impact on the game.  So if WG doesn't quite get the stats balanced for a CV premium, it could come out very OP.

Since WG has a policy not to change premiums (which is understandable), I really think they should stop making CV's premium.

 

MvR was dominate upon release.  28K citadel bomb drops with regularity.  I did over 175k in clan battles regularly and sometimes 200k+.  It needed a nerf.  Imagine it was a premium though and they wouldn't?

Just saying WG, stop making CV's premium so you can balance them as needed after release.

:cap_haloween::cap_haloween::cap_haloween:

He everyone if you enjoy flying planes around you don't get prems.

Go sit in the corner.

This is an insane idea, just insane.

 

 

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On 4/15/2021 at 9:43 AM, Glamorboy said:

No question CV's have a large impact on the game.  So if WG doesn't quite get the stats balanced for a CV premium, it could come out very OP.

Since WG has a policy not to change premiums (which is understandable), I really think they should stop making CV's premium.

 

MvR was dominate upon release.  28K citadel bomb drops with regularity.  I did over 175k in clan battles regularly and sometimes 200k+.  It needed a nerf.  Imagine it was a premium though and they wouldn't?

Just saying WG, stop making CV's premium so you can balance them as needed after release.

 

Why do get the feeling you got rekt by newest German CV the Immelman :Smile_teethhappy: 

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1 hour ago, LastRemnant said:

 

Why do get the feeling you rekt by newest German CV the Immelman :Smile_teethhappy: 

haven't played since the update, you can check my stats.

I'm just imagining a situation where WG mucks things up (small chance amirite?) and then have to open pandora's box to fix it.. or they ignore it and most people of the players get even more PO'd then they have with CVs.

 

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1 hour ago, Glamorboy said:

haven't played since the update, you can check my stats.

I'm just imagining a situation where WG mucks things up (small chance amirite?) and then have to open pandora's box to fix it.. or they ignore it and most people of the players get even more PO'd then they have with CVs.

 

as i said above... it no longer matters how many prem cv's they release....    as there are many already in the game and have been for a long time

this thread is years too late, not that it would have made any difference...

wg will just pull from the shop

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Hello.. do yourself a favor.  Just create an account just to play CVs.  You will understand a lot.  There are days when they are nasty.  Then there is some messed-up crap that happens with them that will make you shake  your head and go "These are OP?"

Kaga gets tons of planes, but half the hps on the planes.

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immelman is a special ship, and wg just this update did its first nerf to special ships (stalin and thunderer) which makes me think that they are over their blocks of not nerfing even special ships (which they always said was a possibility but they never did until now)

 

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2 hours ago, TobTorp said:

immelman is a special ship, and wg just this update did its first nerf to special ships (stalin and thunderer) which makes me think that they are over their blocks of not nerfing even special ships (which they always said was a possibility but they never did until now)

 

Is 1.5 km ranger really a Nerf????  Its the guns that are the problem not the range.

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According to Ashconce 150k is the top damage for a CV in a good game.

How can that be OP ever?

Its just different.

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But this isn't really a big problem. And Immelman is subject to nerfs because they never outright sold her, same with Thunderer.

Immelman is the first Brand new Original carrier since 2019 they've released. No I don't count San Zang or the Black variants because they're copy-paste of existing ships.

This isn't a matter of Wargaming pushing out premium Carriers every 2 weeks, I don't see why you're complaining.

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1 hour ago, Little_Miss_Carrier_Main said:

Immelman is the first Brand new Original carrier since 2019 they've released.

I'm sorry, what?

Literally every CV aside from US and IJN tech trees, Saipan, Kaga, Enterprise and GZ have been released since then. You know, since 2019 saw the release of the CV rework in general.

 

1 hour ago, jags_domain said:

According to Ashconce 150k is the top damage for a CV in a good game.

I would be surprised if he actually said this given that damage records go up to 550k and some CV players average more than that. In fact his own damage records easily disprove that.

A good match would be 200k+ at least. ~150k can be barely considered above average or even right on depending on your playstyle.

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2 hours ago, El2aZeR said:

Literally every CV aside from US and IJN tech trees, Saipan, Kaga, Enterprise and GZ have been released since then. You know, since 2019 saw the release of the CV rework in general.

Should've said Premium CV.

There's been no BRAND NEW Premium CV since 2019 with the Indomitable. All of the others existed in some form in RTS CVs.

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10 minutes ago, Little_Miss_Carrier_Main said:

Should've said Premium CV.

There's been no BRAND NEW Premium CV since 2019 with the Indomitable. All of the others existed in some form in RTS CVs.

Loewenhardt was released this past summer.  It was never an RTS CV.

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5 hours ago, Little_Miss_Carrier_Main said:

There's been no BRAND NEW Premium CV since 2019 with the Indomitable. All of the others existed in some form in RTS CVs.

Ark Royal and Loewenhardt.

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5 hours ago, Burnsy said:

Loewenhardt was released this past summer.  It was never an RTS CV.

 

10 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

Ark Royal and Loewenhardt.

I figured someone literally calling themselves a Carrier Main would have known that haha

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18 hours ago, Glamorboy said:

Since WG has a policy not to change premiums (which is understandable)

 

18 hours ago, Glamorboy said:

if WG doesn't quite get the stats balanced for a CV premium, it could come out very OP.

 

You're talking like only CV should not be OP but other premium are allowed to.

 

As much as I hate how WG handles CV balance, all premium should be subject to change if they are OP period.  What you're raising has nothing to do with CV being a premium. You're raising the very issue of why balance in this game will never be obtainable, because premium deserving a nerf cannot be nerf.

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