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So in the last year to 18 months several tier 10s have been removed from the armory for coal. In that same time 1 has been added and that was Moskva which really doesn't count as it had been a tech tree ship previously. At the same time a tier 7 and 9 ships were removed from the steel section and shifted to coal. It seems that coal is becoming the resource for tier 9s and down and all the tier 10s are going to steel. Please wargaming don't make this a thing. 

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17 minutes ago, Sbels said:

So in the last year to 18 months several tier 10s have been removed from the armory for coal. In that same time 1 has been added and that was Moskva which really doesn't count as it had been a tech tree ship previously. At the same time a tier 7 and 9 ships were removed from the steel section and shifted to coal. It seems that coal is becoming the resource for tier 9s and down and all the tier 10s are going to steel. Please wargaming don't make this a thing. 

We need some variety for both.

A number of T10s are available in the RB though. 

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I can only remember two TX coal ships being removed: Smolensk and Thunderer. Were there others?

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The lower tier steel ships were purposefully removed due to being very rarely purchased compared to the others.

We have also had 3 tier X and 2 tier IX added to the Research Bureau since it started just over 18 months.

Likewise Hayate and (relatively briefly available) Småland as the first Tier 10 Free XP ships

Also two of those removed coal ships; Thunderer and Smolensk were pretty much added within that 18 month (well just outside) for coal.

My suspicion is there is a lot of coal swilling amongst the playerbase and ships that are perceived as good by the playerbase as a whole quickly become very prevalent.

Which might incline WG to consider releasing them with other currencies.

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The two million xp for smaland was hideously expensive. I ground 350K FXP in a month or so then threw 330 dollars worth of doubleloons to convert out of my unconverted XP (I am back close to 6 million which means it will cost me 1100 dollars to convert) and finally got it into port at the 11th hour prior to cut off and removal.

I use the thing to fill in say a daily that came up to 900 xp and then not quite enough finish the needed 1000. YOLO into a objective sink a DD or two and radar the rest. That is about all it's good for. It better be at 330 dollars plus 6 weeks grinding.

I will never sink that kind of money into any one ship ever again.

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5 minutes ago, xHeavy said:

The two million xp for smaland was hideously expensive. I ground 350K FXP in a month or so then threw 330 dollars worth of doubleloons to convert out of my unconverted XP (I am back close to 6 million which means it will cost me 1100 dollars to convert) and finally got it into port at the 11th hour prior to cut off and removal.

I use the thing to fill in say a daily that came up to 900 xp and then not quite enough finish the needed 1000. YOLO into a objective sink a DD or two and radar the rest. That is about all it's good for. It better be at 330 dollars plus 6 weeks grinding.

I will never sink that kind of money into any one ship ever again.

There was plenty of data on what the Smaland was and could do. I’d suggest next time you do more research before sinking that kind of real world currency into a pixel boat.

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I would love to see some T5 and T6 steel ships as these are my favorite tiers to play , I know would probably be thinking, no bro, Steel is for Clan Battle Worthy ships but I don't really Clan Battles or what is trending.  Do you think Steel Ships will ever happen at low tiers ?

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2 hours ago, xHeavy said:

The two million xp for smaland was hideously expensive. I ground 350K FXP in a month or so then threw 330 dollars worth of doubleloons to convert out of my unconverted XP (I am back close to 6 million which means it will cost me 1100 dollars to convert) and finally got it into port at the 11th hour prior to cut off and removal.

I use the thing to fill in say a daily that came up to 900 xp and then not quite enough finish the needed 1000. YOLO into a objective sink a DD or two and radar the rest. That is about all it's good for. It better be at 330 dollars plus 6 weeks grinding.

I will never sink that kind of money into any one ship ever again.

I got it for free using 2 million FXP I ground in game. Its a strong ship if you have good situational awareness. Guns are amazing, radar for hunting other DD's means you own your CAP, and the torps are usable as something to do between gun fights. Very strong in competitive. Can gun down cruisers and BBs late game from surprisingly high health.

But, if you had to spend $330 to get it.... that should have been a sign that maybe it wasn't for you.

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3 hours ago, xHeavy said:

YOLO into a objective sink a DD or two and radar the rest. That is about all it's good for.

Radar and sink DDs good. YOLO bad.

Kill all the enemy DDs and your team is in amazing shape for a win, which is why Smaland is practically cheating in Ranked. If a ship is really good at winning and that's still not good enough, then I don't know what else to say.

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3 hours ago, xHeavy said:

The two million xp for smaland was hideously expensive. I ground 350K FXP in a month or so then threw 330 dollars worth of doubleloons to convert out of my unconverted XP (I am back close to 6 million which means it will cost me 1100 dollars to convert) and finally got it into port at the 11th hour prior to cut off and removal.

I use the thing to fill in say a daily that came up to 900 xp and then not quite enough finish the needed 1000. YOLO into a objective sink a DD or two and radar the rest. That is about all it's good for. It better be at 330 dollars plus 6 weeks grinding.

I will never sink that kind of money into any one ship ever again.

And people wonder why WG is getting greedy with its cash grabs.

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11 minutes ago, Rouxi said:

And people wonder why WG is getting greedy with its cash grabs.

WG accountant #1: Hey, Yuri, you know old American saying about fool and his money?

WG accountant #2: Da.

WG accountant #1: You notice lately more fools with more money?

WG accountant #2: Da.

WG accountant #1: Okay, Yuri, here is what we do...

 

Sure, I throw them a crumb every now and then, and sometimes they get a plate of sandwiches. But xHeavy seems to have given them the whole damn bakery.

I got both Smaland and Hayate without paying FXP conversion for them. I don't actually take them out all that often, and some might accordingly think to ask what the hell I spammed all that FXP for. But the thing is, I'd sat down, looked at every review and gameplay vid I could find about both, and thought very carefully about each one and what I thought it might do for me. And every time I take them out, they deliver on the expectations I set.

Ideally I'd have deferred the Smaland to the end of this year or even beyond, when I was up to the Ostergotland or even the Halland in the Euro DD line. But when they announced that the Smaland was being pulled, I'd sorted out my issues with the Euro DDs in the context of the Oland sufficiently to take the plunge. I still waited until the 11th hour, and I still considered (both times) whether 2 million FXP weren't better spent on an Alaska-Friesland twofer, but I'm pleased with both my purchases and I have no regrets.

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3 hours ago, xHeavy said:

YOLO into a objective sink a DD or two and radar the rest. That is about all it's good for.

:Smile_facepalm:

The Smaland is an excellent DD.  I don't know what crap you're smoking.  It's great for cap contention and anti-DD work with its radar and very fast firing guns.  And its strong AA makes it a very painful DD for carriers to engage, which also means that it can be a very good AA escort, if you see a friendly ship is about to be targeted by the enemy carrier.  You can get between the friendly and the incoming strike and wreck those incoming planes like there's no tomorrow.

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4 hours ago, Compassghost said:

I can only remember two TX coal ships being removed: Smolensk and Thunderer. Were there others?

There haven't been all that many tier 10 ships sold for coal, so I suspect that your memory is correct.

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4 hours ago, Sbels said:

So in the last year to 18 months several tier 10s have been removed from the armory for coal. In that same time 1 has been added and that was Moskva which really doesn't count as it had been a tech tree ship previously. At the same time a tier 7 and 9 ships were removed from the steel section and shifted to coal. It seems that coal is becoming the resource for tier 9s and down and all the tier 10s are going to steel. Please wargaming don't make this a thing. 

I don't see what the big deal here is.

 

1 hour ago, AJAXd said:

I would love to see some T5 and T6 steel ships as these are my favorite tiers to play , I know would probably be thinking, no bro, Steel is for Clan Battle Worthy ships but I don't really Clan Battles or what is trending.  Do you think Steel Ships will ever happen at low tiers ?

I hope not.  I don't want to be wasting hard earned steel on mid tier ships.

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25 minutes ago, Crucis said:

I hope not.  I don't want to be wasting hard earned steel on mid tier ships.

Some of us like mid tiers.

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9 minutes ago, Rouxi said:

Some of us like mid tiers.

I agree, would like to see some variety in ship tiers available for all the resources. Not sure why anyone would poop on that idea, options are nice. If you want a tier 10, there are plenty available for all the different resources. Personally there is no steel ships I am interested in so have been spending it on commanders. Could care less if I ever get another tier 9 or 10 ship, tech tree or not. Mine sit in my port rotting waiting for snowflake events with zero point captains and no equipment modules installed. 

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19 minutes ago, Rouxi said:

Some of us like mid tiers.

I do too, but there's no need to waste perfectly low end (i.e. cheap) good premiums as steel ships.

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yeah I remembered wrong two tier X coal ships have been removed Thunderer and Smolensk

also two tier 9 coal ships have been removed Jean Bart and Georgia

Tier X Salem and Yoshino are both still there along with Moskva 

The problem I see Smolensk was replaced by Moskva which is as I said not really equal as she was a tech tree ship

JB replaced by Pommern I have heard Pom is great and plan to get her so I call that a fair replacement

I am curious what is gonna replace Thunderer could be the new tier 10 German CV as there is already a tier X steel CV. 

Obviously Marco Polo replaces Gerogia

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21 hours ago, deadmeat2012 said:

There was plenty of data on what the Smaland was and could do. I’d suggest next time you do more research before sinking that kind of real world currency into a pixel boat.

There is no research to be done.

You either get the boat before it's removed pernamently or do not get the boat.

I already know how to fight it against human players the problem is all those Kitikazes and a 10 second pissshit radar.

I dont fight it much. I am more of a Shima person. I do better with it. Im glad I got the boat. Money did not matter that day. But it approaches a limit of what I am willing and able to spend one time for intangible digital stuff. At least for that much in STO you can have a ship model of your vessal built, painted to fine detail and shipped to your home.

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17 hours ago, Rouxi said:

Some of us like mid tiers.

Yes, but getting uptiered to the tune of two tiers is going to take the shine off any ship, reducing its steel-worthiness.

I wouldn’t want to spend steel on any ship that is going to be relegated to a support role regularly. If I spend steel, it’s going to be on a ship that will be an apex predator every time out.

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23 hours ago, xHeavy said:

The two million xp for smaland was hideously expensive. I ground 350K FXP in a month or so then threw 330 dollars worth of doubleloons to convert out of my unconverted XP (I am back close to 6 million which means it will cost me 1100 dollars to convert) and finally got it into port at the 11th hour prior to cut off and removal.

I use the thing to fill in say a daily that came up to 900 xp and then not quite enough finish the needed 1000. YOLO into a objective sink a DD or two and radar the rest. That is about all it's good for. It better be at 330 dollars plus 6 weeks grinding.

I will never sink that kind of money into any one ship ever again.

If you wanted a DD to yolo with you should have looked into Paolo Emilio instead.

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On 3/5/2021 at 2:04 PM, MannyD_of_The_Sea said:

Yes, but getting uptiered to the tune of two tiers is going to take the shine off any ship, reducing its steel-worthiness.

I wouldn’t want to spend steel on any ship that is going to be relegated to a support role regularly. If I spend steel, it’s going to be on a ship that will be an apex predator every time out.

When I read this I read , I only want a steel ship if I can be considered overpowered / a really good ship.  Instead of a unique mid tier ship that you can play where IMHO the games are usually close and a lot of fun .  I'd rather buy 2 or 3 or even 4 unique ships over saving forever for a "Apex Predator" T10 ship.  To each their own, you are at no loss if other players enjoy low tier steel ships made just for steel.  I would disagree with taking current T5 and T6 prems and making them steel.  I don't like higher tier battles , most would say this makes me a bad player, I disagree and say, I just enjoy mid tier battle a lot more .

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why would they add mid tiers for steel? lots of other more reasonable currencies... 

apart from a resource that you really can only earn at high tier?

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19 minutes ago, AJAXd said:

When I read this I read , I only want a steel ship if I can be considered overpowered / a really good ship.  Instead of a unique mid tier ship that you can play where IMHO the games are usually close and a lot of fun .  I'd rather buy 2 or 3 or even 4 unique ships over saving forever for a "Apex Predator" T10 ship.

Name which steel T5-7 ship you want.

So, you don’t agree with taking any existing T6 or T6 ships and making them steel. 

So in theory, you want one, but in reality, you don’t.

I just think any ship that stands up well against competition two tiers higher will be so problematic at only one tier up, or top tier, that it won’t be allowed to remain as-is. And likely being a “special” ship, it will not be immune to nerfing. Which means such a ship is DOA to me. Last time I looked, Flint (mid-tier steel ship) was still taking it @n@lly from WG.

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never considered op wanted an OP ship in mid tiers only purchasable with steel... guess i should have thought that through...  hell no..

well mebbe GC?   :cap_haloween:

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