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Aegis: Early spot of first group without aircraft

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Anyone running into issues at the start of Operation Aegis, where the first group of bot ships get spotted early despite no aircraft going out to spot them?  Usually a decent CV will not spot them, which allows Mahan to go forward more and drop smoke later, which is great for the team.  But if the bots get spotted early, Mahan automatically drops smoke very early.  It's happened twice today, one in a non-CV game, and just now where the CV didn't launch until after the bots were spotted.  Here's the latest example:

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The bot Ishizuchi got spotted by our Aigle player, who hasn't even moved yet.  The CV player has only just now launched planes, so he couldn't have spotted them.  Our bot Mahan does its thing and drops smoke right away.

 

I don't recall seeing this happen before.

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That happens for certain spawn patterns where the Ishi spawns in at that particular spot, there is very little anyone can do about it from spotting it other than reversing at the start of the game for whoever is closest to the Ishi, but that's really something no one can predict or take account for.

 

It just happens from time to time.

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Or, like what happened to me just now you get yolo DDs that think it's a great idea to head north from the start, early spot both the 1st AND second waves, spamming torps the entire time and tying the bots into knots. Then getting wrecked and exiting the battle leaving nothing but chaos and a couple hundred (if that, one was less) xp on the board even with a salvaged 4 star.

Sad. At the start I had visions of good things ahead with no CV in the lineup but... sheesh.

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I hadn't noticed that, but I've noticed the bots are shooting WAY past their tech tree limits and they've done something to there ability to disperse shells. You can be 9 or 10km away in the Arizona and watch your salvos go around the bots over and over...
You can watch low tier cruisers eat your BB, HE and AP for breakfast now.
They also spawn the north fleet (the second set of bots) way to soon as well.
I used to break 100k damage regularly and now I struggle to get 60k to 80k and most of my team is dead.
 

I can't be the only one to realize how bad Aegis is now, because trying to get into Aegis and spawn can now take over 3 minutes. It used to be a very popular OP.

It's like World of Tanks and Blitz now, ie Warships is bleeding players like crazy.

 

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2 minutes ago, Ericmopar said:

I hadn't noticed that, but I've noticed the bots are shooting WAY past their tech tree limits and they've done something to there ability to disperse shells. You can be 9 or 10km away in the Arizona and watch your salvos go around the bots over and over...
You can watch low tier cruisers eat your BB, HE and AP for breakfast now.
They also spawn the north fleet (the second set of bots) way to soon as well.
I used to break 100k damage regularly and now I struggle to get 60k to 80k and most of my team is dead.
 

I can't be the only one to realize how bad Aegis is now, because trying to get into Aegis and spawn can now take over 3 minutes. It used to be a very popular OP.

It's like World of Tanks and Blitz now, ie Warships is bleeding players like crazy.

 

The middle part of Aegis, where you start taking on the convoy escorts, IMO is the most dangerous part of the op, even for a Battleship.  It's not the bot accuracy that gets you.  You can get 3-4 Cruisers firing on you, and that will wear down anyone.  It's just like in PVP:  You get 3-4 people shooting at you, you are in seriously deep trouble.

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2 minutes ago, HazeGrayUnderway said:

The middle part of Aegis, where you start taking on the convoy escorts, IMO is the most dangerous part of the op, even for a Battleship.  It's not the bot accuracy that gets you.  You can get 3-4 Cruisers firing on you, and that will wear down anyone.  It's just like in PVP:  You get 3-4 people shooting at you, you are in seriously deep trouble.

I'm not exactly disagreeing with you on that, but it doesn't change the fact that a BB can't stand off and fire and control taking damage like before. Any ships that have to get closer to do damage like CL and CA are melted down usually in the early part of the matches.
 

 

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glad to see Aegis up, i had forgotten about this one.  Played a few last night, i think  1 out of 4 was a 4 star as the bulk of the players stayed too close to the transports and one of the BB's survived.

lol i never realized that it was a bot doing the smoke... my bad... i seem to recall a time that was not a thing and it could be extra painful in a slow bb being focused at the start.

 

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2 hours ago, Ericmopar said:

I'm not exactly disagreeing with you on that, but it doesn't change the fact that a BB can't stand off and fire and control taking damage like before. Any ships that have to get closer to do damage like CL and CA are melted down usually in the early part of the matches.
 

 

Well.... ops are about understanding the ships strengths and weaknesses and play around them. Using them would be the best term. I'm a cruiser main and i play different ships very differently. For example this is a Graf play from my EU account.

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And the result only 4 star sadly :

 

I will post more with different ships, maybe it will help :)

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Had one where our DD on the left spotted the Ishi when it was left of the island. Also had a Deadyeye Fuso hiding among the islands in the southeast of the map.

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This is the De Grasse,which applies to the La Galis as well. Their speed boost makes them natural candidates to "babysit" the Schors and their fire starting capabilities to burn down the BB;s

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 A more modest result because the team was good :)

 

Leander. This ship, the Anshan and the Yaigle I play very similarly. After the 1 wave is dealt with( or close to it) I head towards the NE group, smoke up and cit the crap out of them. After that, ambush the escort group between the islands and after that head either for the 2 BB;s or for the Fuso.

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And the Nurnberg  With this ship i prefer a more liberal  (as the situation needs it) kinda approach  But as with almost all  Cl's the idea  is to play the range and burn down the Bb's

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Happened again today, my BB was positioned in the northernmost spawn and spotted the bot Ishizuchi right away.

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1 hour ago, HazeGrayUnderway said:

Happened again today, my BB was positioned in the northernmost spawn and spotted the bot Ishizuchi right away.

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From what I see, you didn't get a spotting ribbon, so someone else spotted it

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6 minutes ago, Vader_Sama said:

From what I see, you didn't get a spotting ribbon, so someone else spotted it

Either way, it got spotted by a regular surface ship.  We didn't even have a CV in this game and just started, yet the bot BB was seen already.

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35 minutes ago, HazeGrayUnderway said:

Either way, it got spotted by a regular surface ship.  We didn't even have a CV in this game and just started, yet the bot BB was seen already.

That particular spot for Ishi has a tendency to get spotted right away and there isn't much anyone can do about it other than the game not spawning Ishi at that spot

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I played this one in Leander once, went straight to the NE, plan was to hide in smoke and citadel the enemy from their flank. I got to where I wanted to be only to find that two destroyers followed me north. Instead of one ship crippling the attack and getting away we lost the two DD's and then the rest of our fleet. I died five minutes later by focus fire. 

That said, it's a fun scenario, more challenging than killer whale or raptor rescue, more satisfying than Newport.

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5 hours ago, Swervenkill said:

more satisfying than Newport.

Anything's more satisfying than Defeat at Newport.  It was a poorly designed, balanced operation when it was introduced as the first Op ever, and it still is awful.  Even when I was on an operations oriented Discord channel, we didn't like running Newport even with premade teams, it's a bad op.  We did it a few times because some members had never run it before.

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17 minutes ago, HazeGrayUnderway said:

Anything's more satisfying than Defeat at Newport.  It was a poorly designed, balanced operation when it was introduced as the first Op ever, and it still is awful.  Even when I was on an operations oriented Discord channel, we didn't like running Newport even with premade teams, it's a bad op.  We did it a few times because some members had never run it before.

Before the CV rework, Newport was even more miserable than what it is now cause back then you have to actually hunt down the CVs that spawned in instead of how it is now where all the ships comes charging in thus no need to have anyone go out to hunt down a ship out of reach.

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15 minutes ago, Vader_Sama said:

Before the CV rework, Newport was even more miserable than what it is now cause back then you have to actually hunt down the CVs that spawned in instead of how it is now where all the ships comes charging in thus no need to have anyone go out to hunt down a ship out of reach.

It was just always an awful experience.  But solo queuing it was even worse.  It's natural that a lot of people on a randomly put together Operations team aren't quite good with the mode of play, never mind being thoroughly familiar with the op and know what to do in given situations.  Newport needed everyone be on point in what they do.  It's also one of those Ops that too many BBs is a bad thing.  They'd never hold back the rush that often causes optionals to fail, and if not handled correctly, could even lead to loss of the op.

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