878 OuijaApologist Members 576 posts Report post #1 Posted February 27 (edited) Announced during RU stream. Translation provided by @vak_: "One of the common requests [for a change] from the community is Dead Eye. Dead Eye will be changed, from scratch. Most likely there will be a new skill, probably. In the next three to four weeks we'll have more details, and this time frame is conservative. There is a lot of data we have, and we don't want to do this in a haste. We'll do a separate article in the dev blog in which we'll cover a lot of nuances about new skills, where we'll say how it went, how it changed [game/meta], what we'll change, what will be the direction we'll take. Think by 0.10.2 we'll share more details. So, in two three weeks at the most we'll make the information available" Remarks from Flamu on Twitter: https://twitter.com/flamuchz Edited February 27 by OuijaApologist 2 10 1 8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
766 [-TRM-] xHeavy [-TRM-] Members 2,555 posts Report post #2 Posted February 27 I don't use Deadeye, we learned the first week how crapit is already. Rework away, it does not matter. 4 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
15,317 [ARGSY] Ensign_Cthulhu Members 23,419 posts 17,347 battles Report post #3 Posted February 27 (edited) Is this Flamu hypothesizing or is this a fact? If it's a fact, link to official sources in English please. If it's not, stop presenting it as if it were. Because that's what you're doing, and don't try to lie about it. Edited February 27 by Ensign_Cthulhu 6 1 1 6 22 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
878 OuijaApologist Members 576 posts Report post #4 Posted February 27 2 minutes ago, Ensign_Cthulhu said: If it's a fact, link to official sources in English please. Do you have the only google translate that lies to you? 10 1 7 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,041 SteelRain_Rifleman Members 4,117 posts 44,174 battles Report post #5 Posted February 27 If a fact, then not surprised. But I never used it so I am not worried about it. I saw that coming since I can see the ISS without binoculars myself. Oh, that astronaut is waving at me again. Nice. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,150 [DRFTR] SKurj Beta Testers 3,922 posts Report post #6 Posted February 27 and i bet it will come with a global skill reset... free... though probably one time only again... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
384 arch4random Members 878 posts Report post #7 Posted February 27 with or without dead eye skill your still going to get sniped by bbs ..your still going to burn and roll by bbs ..and those extra 4 points well your not going to be able to stop a bb .... warmest regards from: the ayatollah of burn and roll ya 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
243 [-KAK-] TheOmegaDuck Members 614 posts 12,724 battles Report post #8 Posted February 27 15 minutes ago, Ensign_Cthulhu said: Is this Flamu hypothesizing or is this a fact? If it's a fact, link to official sources in English please. If it's not, stop presenting it as if it were. Because that's what you're doing, and don't try to lie about it. Read the original post. It was said during the Russian stream. In Russian. Hence, there is no "Official English Source" yet. Things can be a fact, and not be in English, especially when you're dealing with a non-English company. I don't know why you're convinced the OP is making lies, but that's your issue. 14 6 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
417 [MOOW] Grapefruitcannon [MOOW] Members 711 posts 25,503 battles Report post #9 Posted February 27 LOl..i have deadeye only on 2 of my bbs...champahgn and gascone. that skill is crap. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
966 Rouxi Members 2,070 posts 12,694 battles Report post #10 Posted February 27 (edited) 30 minutes ago, OuijaApologist said: Remarks from Flamu on Twitter: https://twitter.com/flamuchz I love how flamu is patting himself on the back for being right when nothing has happened yet. Edited February 27 by Rouxi 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,981 [V_KNG] Herr_Reitz Beta Testers 13,192 posts Report post #11 Posted February 27 "Players utilized this skill in ways we did not anticipate..." 2 7 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
573 [O7] Your_SAT_Score Supertester 393 posts 13,178 battles Report post #12 Posted February 27 At high tiers, deadeye combined with multiple Thunderers/Conqs/Yamato per game made it very difficult for any BB to push. This made the already passive T10 meta became even more passive as BBs don't want to push into HE spamming Thunderers and cruisers don't want to get dev struck by deadeye AP salvoes. With the removal of deadeye, hopefully we will see a shift in BB meta back towards more aggressive BB gameplay at high tiers. 5 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
9,757 [CMFRT] KilljoyCutter [CMFRT] Banned 16,985 posts Report post #13 Posted February 27 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Herr_Reitz said: "Players utilized this skill in ways we did not anticipate..." Maybe they didn't, but many of US did. From my review of the skills during PTS: "Dead Eye -- Also likely to have a negative effect on the gameplay by increasing the temptation to play at the max possible range that's already strong with some players." Edited February 27 by KilljoyCutter 2 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4,216 [KWF] warheart1992 Members 5,810 posts 7,013 battles Report post #14 Posted February 27 Pretty sure the skill will change, though I don't know if postponing it for another patch cycle is the best idea. I hope English sources follow up on it as well just to make sure. Regardless, me and others were pointing out the same thing as Flamu regarding respecs on the forums. The important part to keep in mind is that there will be a FREE respec PROVIDED the changes are significant. Problem is, it's up to WG's interpretation of what constitutes a significant change on whether it will be free. I don't think Flamu is right on the money or some grand prophet, but his thought has a point. What stands is that the ball is now in WG's court, and the best solution to weather these changes is to stay away for a while. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
890 [HELLS] GrandAdmiral_2016 Members 2,800 posts 30,549 battles Report post #15 Posted February 27 Free captain respec is necessary if they do this, otherwise it is just a money grab... 1 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4,216 [KWF] warheart1992 Members 5,810 posts 7,013 battles Report post #16 Posted February 27 1 minute ago, KilljoyCutter said: Maybe they didn't, but many of US did. Or maybe instead of rushing the skill rework they devoted more time on internal testing and STs instead of dumping it on us. Especially in Deadeye's case where you can visibly gauge it's results. If LittleWhiteMouse did it with a Fuso and a Roma, why shouldn't WG. 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
384 arch4random Members 878 posts Report post #17 Posted February 27 3 minutes ago, Your_SAT_Score said: With the removal of deadeye, hopefully we will see a shift in BB meta back towards more aggressive BB gameplay at high tiers. dont think so ..what you might see is more sniper bbs ..since its fun sniping...still not pushing 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
6,400 [WOLFG] Skpstr Members 32,334 posts 10,021 battles Report post #18 Posted February 27 37 minutes ago, xHeavy said: I don't use Deadeye, we learned the first week how crapit is already. It's only crap if your aim is off. Otherwise, it's a straight up 19% reduction to the area where your shells can land. It may be crap if you're playing in a manner to prioritise it's use, if you just use it a s a "silent supplement", it's undeniably effective. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
740 Vekta408 ∞ Members 1,559 posts 10,681 battles Report post #19 Posted February 27 14 minutes ago, Your_SAT_Score said: At high tiers, deadeye combined with multiple Thunderers/Conqs/Yamato per game made it very difficult for any BB to push. This made the already passive T10 meta became even more passive as BBs don't want to push into HE spamming Thunderers and cruisers don't want to get dev struck by deadeye AP salvoes. With the removal of deadeye, hopefully we will see a shift in BB meta back towards more aggressive BB gameplay at high tiers. But SAT... mah PEF memes.... mah PEF memes Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
9,757 [CMFRT] KilljoyCutter [CMFRT] Banned 16,985 posts Report post #20 Posted February 27 Maybe with this crack in the wall, they'll reconsider what they did to cruiser skills. Not likely, but the chance isn't zero. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,150 [DRFTR] SKurj Beta Testers 3,922 posts Report post #21 Posted February 27 maybe not enough people were using it.... 4 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
44 [SCK] Freedomshells Members 172 posts 23,411 battles Report post #22 Posted February 27 It's not deadeye that keeps BBs from pushing up. It's ignorance and the lack of secondary accuracy. Not all BBs were secondary spec, but when you had a Mass, Georgia, Ohio, or a german BB, you knew that he would push and you could push up to support him. I feel like the secondary hit has more of an impact. Now those players who were playing german ships, (me included) leaves them in port and plays more accurate ships. Not at the back edge of the map, but you still want to play them just out of detect range. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4,772 [A-D-F] Burnsy Beta Testers, In AlfaTesters 8,783 posts Report post #23 Posted February 27 1 minute ago, SKurj said: maybe not enough people were using it.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
121 [CUDA] Swervenkill Members 286 posts 8,025 battles Report post #24 Posted February 27 Notice how in his reply there isn't a thanks to WG for admitting the problem and agreeing to fix it, only 'I told you so' and veiled hints at some kind of conspiracy? It works better if you reward good behavior. 6 2 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
178 SoothingWhaleSongEU Members 400 posts 26 battles Report post #25 Posted February 27 (edited) Changes to Deadeye would indeed, unsurprisingly be welcome. I'm also not surprised the first mention is somewhat casually on a Russian stream. If it happens, lets see if this happens: https://worldofwarships.eu/en/news/game-updates/update-0100-commander-skills-update/#commander-skills-update Edited February 27 by SoothingWhaleSongEU 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
