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Possible Italian DD line

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We really need to get some Italian DDs out there to fight the French 
 
Destroyers
Note: I tried to avoid using another country's unmodified destroyer in this line up.
 

Type:

Destroyer

Displacement:

· 953 t (standard)

·1214 t (full load)

Length:

84.72 m (277 ft 11 in)

Beam:

8 m (26 ft 3 in)

Draught:

2.46 m (8 ft 1 in)

Propulsion:

·2 shaft Zoelly steam turbines

·4 Thornycroft type boilers

·22,000 hp (16,400 kW)

Speed:

32 knots (59 km/h; 37 mph)

Range:

1,800 nmi (3,300 km) at 15 knots (28 km/h; 17 mph)

Complement:

117

Armament:

·4 × 102 mm guns (2 × 2)

·2 × 76 mm AA guns (2 × 2)

·6 × 13.2 mm machine guns

·6 × 450 mm (18 in) torpedo tubes (2 × 3)

·16 mines

 
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[T3] Quinto Sella Class DD 1929 Refit

Type:

Destroyer

Displacement:

·1140 t (standard)

·1,457 t (full load)

Length:

84.9 m (278 ft 7 in)

Beam:

8.6 m (28 ft 3 in)

Draught:

2.7 m (8 ft 10 in)

Installed power:

·Thornycroft boilers

·36,000 shp (27,000 kW)

Propulsion:

2 shafts; 2 geared steam turbines

Speed:

33 knots (61 km/h; 38 mph)

Range:

3,600 nmi (6,700 km; 4,100 mi) at 14 knots (26 km/h; 16 mph)

Complement:

152

Armament:

·2 × twin 120 mm (4.7 in) guns

·2 × single 40 mm (1.6 in) AA guns

·2 × single 13.2 mm (0.52 in) machine guns

·2 × twin 533 mm (21 in) torpedo tubes

·32 mines

 
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[T4] Turbine Class DD 1927

Type:

Destroyer

Displacement:

·1,220 t (standard)

·1,670 t (full load)

Length:

93.2 m (305 ft 9 in)

Beam:

9.2 m (30 ft 2 in)

Draught:

3 m (9 ft 10 in)

Installed power:

·Thornycroft boilers

·40,000 shp (30,000 kW)

Propulsion:

2 shafts; 2 geared steam turbines

Speed:

33 knots (61 km/h; 38 mph)

Range:

3,200 nmi (5,900 km; 3,700 mi) at 14 knots (26 km/h; 16 mph)

Complement:

179

Armament:

·2 × twin 120 mm (4.7 in) guns

·2 × single 40 mm (1.6 in) AA guns

·4 × twin 13.2 mm (0.52 in) machine guns

·2 × triple 533 mm (21 in) torpedo tubes

·52 mines

 
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[T5] Soldati Class DD 1941-1942 Version (also known as Camicia Nera Class)

Type:

Destroyer

Displacement:

· 1,830 t (standard)

· 2,460 t (full load)

Length:

·106.7 m (350 ft 1 in) (o/a)

·101.6 m (333 ft 4 in) (pp)

Beam:

10.15 m (33 ft 4 in)

Draught:

3.15–4.3 m (10 ft 4 in–14 ft 1 in)

Installed power:

·Yarrow boilers

·48,000 shp (36,000 kW)

Propulsion:

2 shafts; 2 geared steam turbines

Speed:

33 - 35 knots 

Range:

2,200 nmi at 20 knots

Complement:

Electronics:

206

Sonar

Armament:

·(2 × 2 + 1 x 1) 120 mm (4.7 in) guns

·(4 × 2) 20 mm AA guns

·2 × triple 533 mm (21 in) torpedo tubes

·2 × depth charge throwers

·48 mines

 
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[T6] Navigatori Class DD 1939-1940 Refit Version (Class built in answer to French Jaguar and Guépard classes)

Type:

Destroyer

Displacement:

·2,125 t (standard)

·2,888 t (full load)

Length:

109.3 m

Beam:

11.2 m

Draught:

4.2 m

Installed power:

·water-tube boilers

·50,000 hp 

Propulsion:

2 shafts; 2 geared steam turbines

Speed:

33 – 35 knots 

Range:

3,800 nmi (7,000 km; 4,400 mi) at 18 knots (33 km/h; 21 mph)

Complement:

222–225 (wartime)

Armament:

·3 × twin 120 mm (4.7 in) guns

·2 × single 40 mm (1.6 in) AA guns

·8 × twin 13.2 mm (0.52 in) machine guns

·6 × 533 mm (21 in) torpedo tubes (2 x 3)

·86–104 mines

·2 DCT

 
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[T7] Comandanti Medaglie d'Oro Class DD 1942 (Group 1)

Type:

Destroyer

Displacement:

· 2,067 t (standard)

· 2,900 t (full load)

Length:

120.7 m (396 ft) (o/a)

Beam:

12.3 m (40 ft 4 in)

Draught:

3.6 m (11 ft 10 in)

Installed power:

·three-drum boilers

·60,000 shp (45,000 kW)

Propulsion:

2 shafts; 2 geared steam turbines

Speed:

35 - 38 knots 

Range:

3,300 nmi (6,100 km; 3,800 mi) at 20 knots (37 km/h; 23 mph)

Complement:

272

Sensors and
processing systems:

EC-3 ter Gufo search radar

Armament:

·4 × single 135 mm (5.3 in) guns

·12 × single 37 mm (1.5 in) AA guns

·2 × triple 533 mm (21 in) torpedo tubes

·52 mines

·depth charge throwers, 64 depth charges

 
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[T8] Spalato Class DD 1943 (Italian Armament and Machinery in French based Fantasque hull)

Type:

Large destroyer

Displacement:

· 2,040 t (Standard)

· 2,500 t (full load)

Length:

·120 m (393 ft 8 in) (o/a)

·114.8 m (376 ft 8 in) (p/p)

Beam:

11.3 m (37 ft 1 in)

Draft:

3.48 m (11 ft 5 in)

Installed power:

·55,000 shp (41,000 kW)

·3 × Yarrow boilers

Propulsion:

2 × shafts; 2 × geared steam turbines

Speed:

Crew:

36 - 38 knots

214

Armament:

 

 

 

 

Electronics:

·5 × single 135 mm (5.3 in) guns

·10 × single 37 mm (1.5 in) AA guns

·4 × twin 20 mm AA guns

·2 x triple 533 mm (21 in) torpedo tubes

·40 mines

·depth charge throwers

·2 DCR

Sonar, Radar

 
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Note this is the completed version that Italy was unable to complete as shortly after getting it launched they scuttled it. As completed by Yugoslavia 1958.
Here is a project done by Tzoli called DD Design 1939 I have a feeling this captured hull might have been something similar. Just swap out the quad racks for triples. Also check out Tzoli's other ship projects that never were, they are exceptional.
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[T9] Commandante Botti Class DD (Variant twin mount version of Comandanti Medaglie d'Oro 2nd Group)

Type:

Destroyer

Displacement:

· 2,067 t (standard)

· 2,900 t (full load)

Length:

120.7 m (396 ft) (o/a)

Beam:

12.3 m (40 ft 4 in)

Draught:

3.6 m (11 ft 10 in)

Installed power:

·three-drum boilers

·60,000 shp (45,000 kW)

Propulsion:

2 shafts; 2 geared steam turbines

Speed:

36 - 38 knots 

Range:

3,300 nmi (6,100 km; 3,800 mi) at 20 knots (37 km/h; 23 mph)

Complement:

272

Sensors and
processing systems:

Radar

Armament:

·4 × double 135 mm (5.3 in) guns

·12 × single 37 mm (1.5 in) AA guns

·2 × triple 533 mm (21 in) torpedo tubes

·52 mines

·depth charge throwers, 64 depth charges

 
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[T10] Capitani Romani Class DD/CL 1943 (Built in response to French Fantasque and Mogador classes) [Slightly modified Paolo Emilio]

Type:

Destroyer/Light cruiser

Displacement:

·3,987 t (standard)

·5,600 t (full load)

Length:

142.2 m

Beam:

14.4 m

Draught:

6.4 m

Installed power:

·water-tube boilers

·110,000 shp (82,000 kW)

Propulsion:

2 shafts; 2 geared steam turbines

Speed:

43 knots 

Range:

4,350 nmi (8,060 km; 5,010 mi) at 18 knots (33 km/h; 21 mph)

Complement:

494

Sensors and
processing systems:

Sonar, Radar

Armament:

·4 × twin 135 mm (5.3 in) DP guns

·6 × single 65 mm AA guns

·4 × sextuple 20 mm (0.8 in) AA guns

·2 × quadruple 533 mm (21 in) torpedo tubes

·114-136 × mines

·2 DCR (24)

·2 DCT

   
   

Armour:

·Turrets: 6–20 mm (0.24–0.79 in)

·Conning tower: 15 mm (0.59 in)

 
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Having had the T VI-IX (especially the IX having Emilio there is difficult) done already doesn't leave a lot of wiggle room.
 
Notes:
Curtatone: brought a number of innovations, concerning armament structure and arrangement. Curtatone class ships became the first Italian destroyers with all armament placed at center line. For the first time in Europe 102mm guns were installed in twin mounts. Besides that, these ships received triple TTs instead of twin.
Soldati: Most successful and numerous class of Italian destroyers.
Navigatori: Ordered in 1926 as the answer to the new French Jaguar and Guépard classes. New features of "Navigatori" type became machinery arrangement in echelon, that theoretically raised battle immunity. Transition to new 120mm/50 guns became another important innovation on account of the higher firing rate of the new guns "Navigatori" with three twin mounts not only did not yield, but also exceeded previous Leone class DDs with their four twin mounts of the old model.
Comandanti Medaglie d'Oro: In one of the design stages 135mm guns took places both in single and twin mounts (my Commandante Botti Class), but in an ultimate variant the preference had been decided to go with four single mounts. Obviously my Commandante Botti Class at T9 can be tinkered to fit in at this level using twin mounts.
Capitani Romani:  Light cruisers of the Capitani Romani class became the answer to the new French Fantasque and Mogador classes. The ships should have, eight 135mm guns in four turrets, six of the newest 65mm AA guns and 2 quadruple TTs. The latter had original "two-level" construction (two tubes in the level and two in the upper). Because of unavailability of 65mm AA guns it was necessary to replace them with the habitual twin 37mm MGs.
Now with the Paolo Emilio having 20-mm L65 Breda machine guns in sextuple mounts it forces my version to have them too. My T10 version has the following differences: Modified as designed add back the intended 65mm guns swapping out the 37mm, change out double 20mm for sextuple 20mm, and add radar/sonar option also slightly larger (difference with Paolo Emilio slightly better AA and radar/sonar option vs + 1 additional 1 x 4 TorpTube).
 
Overall most Italian destroyers are known for instability problems at high speeds especially since they did time trials unloaded for intimidation factor of speed over the French. Most ships using their stable speed compare well to their French counterparts as well as in armament.
 
Special Gimmick: Exhaust smoke generator as seen on Paolo Emilio.
Other items up to design team of course. 
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yeeees more Italians!  I still think the best gimmick for Italians would be variable speed/range on their torps.  Have 3 buttons to set torp speed in battle.  First button their typical longer range torps say 14k at 55 knots (water mines :) ), 2nd button 10k at 60 knots and the final 6k at 70 knots... gives the player some fun options to try and take some skills to adjust on the fly (make a 10s delay to to reset range, those deck crews gotta do some work ya know)  SAP of course and moving short duration smoke round these out nicely with not quite French speed on those engines.

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