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Here was the result of a 1-sided ranked battle. It lasted less than 9 minutes.

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Below are the win rates of each player in the current ranked season:

Musashi 53.57% --- 48.15% Soviet Soyuz

Pommern 53.57% --- 0% (2 battles) F. der Grosse

Missouri 46.27% --- 54.55% Georgia

Alaska 59.46% --- 58.33% Riga

Neptune 46.25% --- 58.33% Ibuki

Z-46 67% --- 34.78% Ostergotland

Kidd 53.19% --- 46.43% Benson

I don't use MatchMakerMonitor. This is the first time I took the time to manually look into each player's stat after a battle. Obviously I've been on winning AND losing ends of 1-sided battles. Given the lopsidedness and the shortness of this particular battle, I think it's clear that a better arrangement of the teams could have resulted in a more even battle.

 

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Except the match maker doesn't account for skill or stats, on purpose.

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Teams aren't actually that unbalanced on WR,  you just have one less bad player than them. 

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Only in this forum will someone complain that they won a match in 9 minutes. Not 4. Not 5. Nine.

Dear gods...

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21 minutes ago, slider37 said:

Here was the result of a 1-sided ranked battle. It lasted less than 9 minutes.  

Below are the win rates of each player in the current ranked season:

Musashi 53.57% --- 48.15% Soviet Soyuz

Pommern 53.57% --- 0% (2 battles) F. der Grosse

Missouri 46.27% --- 54.55% Georgia

Alaska 59.46% --- 58.33% Riga

Neptune 46.25% --- 58.33% Ibuki

Z-46 67% --- 34.78% Ostergotland

Kidd 53.19% --- 46.43% Benson

I don't use MatchMakerMonitor. This is the first time I took the time to manually look into each player's stat after a battle. Obviously I've been on winning AND losing ends of 1-sided battles. Given the lopsidedness and the shortness of this particular battle, I think it's clear that a better arrangement of the teams could have resulted in a more even battle.

 

I wouldn't get too bothered by the FDG.  Clearly, this player is using Ranked to grind out a new ship, so his low WR is not unexpected.

As for the 2 DDs, there's more to complain about there, I suppose.

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From the video on MM,  first player enters battle gets picked into a team, then will wait for an other player with same type and tier for opponent.  When enough pairs made then battle starts.

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2 hours ago, slider37 said:

Here was the result of a 1-sided ranked battle. It lasted less than 9 minutes.

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Below are the win rates of each player in the current ranked season:

Musashi 53.57% --- 48.15% Soviet Soyuz

Pommern 53.57% --- 0% (2 battles) F. der Grosse

Missouri 46.27% --- 54.55% Georgia

Alaska 59.46% --- 58.33% Riga

Neptune 46.25% --- 58.33% Ibuki

Z-46 67% --- 34.78% Ostergotland

Kidd 53.19% --- 46.43% Benson

I don't use MatchMakerMonitor. This is the first time I took the time to manually look into each player's stat after a battle. Obviously I've been on winning AND losing ends of 1-sided battles. Given the lopsidedness and the shortness of this particular battle, I think it's clear that a better arrangement of the teams could have resulted in a more even battle.

 

So go through them all again & post their overall random stats & see if everything is the same.

Just the ranked stats of 1 battles players doesn't show much really...& just out of curiosity...out of your 67% WR in this season of ranked...why did you choose just this 1 battle to post the stats for...

Were they all blowouts?

Was just this 1 battle a blowout?

How many battles did each of the others have this season to account for their WRs?

& just out of curiosity...how many battles do you have this ranked season that accounts for that 67%?

& How do you know it is just from this ranked season? My ranked WR in my clan screen shows 200+ battles & I haven't played but a dozen or so in the latest ranked season...is there an actual place to check ranked stats for just this season? (I don't know for sure... that's the place I checked mine & it shows last seasons also...just checking to see if you have an actual place to check them for just this season or if you might have mistaken the overall stats for just this season).

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The "bad" players are distributed randomly enough that I usually don't let it bother me, but this was my team in one of my battles yesterday.  It was so bad I actually went and grabbed screenshots. (spoiler - we lost). 

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I got my 9th star for all the bronze rewards and am staying there.  I'd rather play my favorite premium T9s at top tier, and not have to deal with T10 carriers.  The rewards in silver are only marginally better anyway and require more stars. 

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I would gladly settle for less AFKs (2 out of 10 tonight)

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1 hour ago, ArIskandir said:

I would gladly settle for less AFKs (2 out of 10 tonight)

I haven't really noticed that but the people that make me look like an unicum are frustrating.

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17 minutes ago, BrushWolf said:

I haven't really noticed that but the people that make me look like an unicum are frustrating.

IKR, those matches when you get to save your star as an Albemarle you know your team was irredeemable...

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2 minutes ago, ArIskandir said:

IKR, those matches when you get to save your star as an Albemarle you know your team was irredeemable...

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Try saving a star with sub 300 base experience.

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1 minute ago, BrushWolf said:

Try saving a star with sub 300 base experience.

The horror... At least you saved your star

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1 minute ago, ArIskandir said:

The horror... At least you saved your star

I haven't saved a star yet this season, I have only topped the charts in wins. I think I have the most games in ranked for me this time though. I usually play a couple and walk.

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2 minutes ago, BrushWolf said:

I haven't saved a star yet this season, I have only topped the charts in wins. I think I have the most games in ranked for me this time though. I usually play a couple and walk.

The trick is not taking it too seriously, just enjoy the game 

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I wrote a program using these 14 players as inputs, and ran it several thousand times. Based on the ask here, the priority is to make sure the average of win ratesshould be as close as possible to the other team.

This is the absolute best match outcome that my matchmaker came up with. I colored in approximate PRs.

 

Player(shipName=Musashi, shipClass=BB, winRate=53.57)
Player(shipName=Soyuz, shipClass=BB, winRate=48.15)
Player(shipName=FDG, shipClass=BB, winRate=0.0)
Player(shipName=Kidd, shipClass=CA, winRate=53.19)
Player(shipName=Alaska, shipClass=CA, winRate=59.46)
Player(shipName=Z-46, shipClass=CA, winRate=67.0)
Player(shipName=Riga, shipClass=CA, winRate=58.33)
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Player(shipName=Pommern, shipClass=BB, winRate=53.57)
Player(shipName=Georgia, shipClass=BB, winRate=54.55)

Player(shipName=Missouri, shipClass=BB, winRate=46.27)
Player(shipName=Ibuki, shipClass=CA, winRate=58.33)
Player(shipName=Benson, shipClass=CA, winRate=46.43)
Player(shipName=Neptune, shipClass=CA, winRate=46.25)

Player(shipName=Ostergotland, shipClass=CA, winRate=34.78)

Team 1 Average: 48.53%
Team 2 Average: 48.60%

Difference is 0.07%, ergo almost perfectly balanced by WR.

 

So, Team 1 has a super-unicum, 2 great players, 2 good players, 1 below average player, and 1 bad player (with 0% WR).

Team 2 has 1 great player, 2 good players, 3 below average players, and 1 bad player.

 

Which team do you want to be on?

 

Because someone will point out the 0% is an outlier, I reran another 10K removing the top and bottom from average, i.e. only the middle weights matter

 

Player(shipName=Pommern, shipClass=BB, winRate=53.57)
Player(shipName=Soyuz, shipClass=BB, winRate=48.15)
Player(shipName=Musashi, shipClass=BB, winRate=53.57)
Player(shipName=Ostergotland, shipClass=CA, winRate=34.78)
Player(shipName=Neptune, shipClass=CA, winRate=46.25)
Player(shipName=Ibuki, shipClass=CA, winRate=58.33)
Player(shipName=Riga, shipClass=CA, winRate=58.33)

vs
Player(shipName=FDG, shipClass=BB, winRate=0.0)
Player(shipName=Missouri, shipClass=BB, winRate=46.27)
Player(shipName=Georgia, shipClass=BB, winRate=54.55)
Player(shipName=Benson, shipClass=CA, winRate=46.43)
Player(shipName=Alaska, shipClass=CA, winRate=59.46)
Player(shipName=Kidd, shipClass=CA, winRate=53.19)
Player(shipName=Z-46, shipClass=CA, winRate=67.0)
Team 1 Average: 50.43% (51.97% excluding best and worst player)
Team 2 Average: 46.70% (51.98% excluding best and worst player)

 

Does Team 2 actually look like it has a disadvantage in this scenario, even though it has the lower average WR?

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2 hours ago, IfYouSeeKhaos said:

& How do you know it is just from this ranked season? 

Is this value correct?

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44 minutes ago, ArIskandir said:

The trick is not taking it too seriously, just enjoy the game 


Yep, that is what I always try to do. The constant whining that is the norm is what drove me out of ranked in the past but this time around it has been blessedly quiet so I will keep at it.

 

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It doesn't matter how often the topic of the skewed matchmaking system is discussed on these forums, you'll always have the "it's broken" vs the "sometimes if you're lucky it's broken for you too, so don't whine about the everlasting blowouts".

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2 minutes ago, BrushWolf said:


Yep, that is what I always try to do. The constant whining that is the norm is what drove me out of ranked in the past but this time around it has been blessedly quiet so I will keep at it.

 

Since the rework I play only for the win rewards, not for the stars. Makes the whole thing more relaxed. It's like a mission: Win 12 battles, reward 800 steel + camos.

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3 minutes ago, Lazy_Joe said:

Since the rework I play only for the win rewards, not for the stars. Makes the whole thing more relaxed. It's like a mission: Win 12 battles, reward 800 steel + camos.

I just let the stars fall as they will. I have no desire to advance into silver.

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23 minutes ago, Lazy_Joe said:

Is this value correct?

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No...I'm at rank 4 already this season (all in the Kagero)...not sure why that's showing up like that...

But I just checked 3 other people  (Edit: Everybody) in this thread (including the OP) that say they've played ranked battles & it's showing the same thing for them (at least from my phone...not at computer presently).

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7 minutes ago, IfYouSeeKhaos said:

No...I'm at rank 4 already this season (all in the Kagero)...not sure why that's showing up like that...

But I just checked 3 other people in this thread (including the OP) that say they've played ranked battles & it's showing the same thing for them (at least from my phone...not at computer presently).

Mine is the same way.  I noticed this yesterday.  Stopped at rank5 after getting the bronze rewards.  Checked my page to see how many battles I did but it says zero.  Wows-numbers has accurate stats. 

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11 hours ago, black_hull4 said:

Only in this forum will someone complain that they won a match in 9 minutes. Not 4. Not 5. Nine.

Dear gods...

Not complaining because my team won too quickly. Like I said, I have just as often been on the losing end of a quick battle. I just find it's academically interesting, this match making thing.

WG repeatedly says that match making does not consider skill levels. While that algorithm could be ok for a random game, with only 7 players in a ranked team I'd say that algorithm would far more often produce an uneven battle.

Again, no whining on my part. I just want to put in 1 data point in this match making discussion.

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I had a loss yesterday, Pommern on my team; player had 72 randoms with 35% WR, 17 ranked battles with a 29% WR. Needless to say he would have been more useful if he yoloed in to try to use his torps than what he did.

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