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They reload fast and are very quick.. But man they SUCK!!!!!!

 My last game was a face palm of frustration... 3 torps into a crippled Kitakaze DD at close range, does 9k damage??? 6 torps at a North Carolina, he easily dodges them all. 2 hits into a Tirpitz, barely 5k damage, no flooding from any hit.. Why do I bother? This boat can be fun but its torps are so low damage they are like secondary guns on a mid tier BB, a bonus if they hit something but unlikely to do much damage. Yet the Skanes short range guns are hardly powerful. Also no smoke, slow guns and subpar speed, this boat is a serious chore to play. Its only decent point is ok AA for a DD.

 

 

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Yeah, I felt similar. The EU DDs are pretty meh (at best) in low to mid tiers, they get better at T8 and beyond because you start to get better guns and the torpedoes become more usable. But even Östergotland did not feel that powerful, though the guns are pretty good when you get the range upgrade and spec into more turret traverse.

In general a lot of DD lines that have strong T10 have mediocre mid tier DDs, at least in my experience. Just hang in there, Öland is already an upgrade and from there on it only gets better.

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Unfortunately, Skane sits in a bad position in the line- after you lose the strengths of the low to mid tier ships (speed and agility, mainly), but before you gain the strengths of the higher tiers (uber-fast, long-range torps, good AA, progressively better main battery fire rates, and eventually even decent turret traverse with Halland).

Push through, because the higher tier ships represent progressive upgrades that will make the experience better as you go, and Halland especially is a very strong ship- one of the best overall DDs in the game. They're worth suffering through Skane for.

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Cheers for the help, it's strange how I really loved the tier 6 Vasteras. Just seems so much harder to enjoy the Skane.. it's torps are fast but everything seems to be able to dodge them..

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Skane blows rabid goat, but what blows rabid goat even worse is stock Oland... because suddenly you face Tier 10 with Skane's upgraded torps. However, once you get the upgraded torps, you get about 50% better damage on them (7K and change up to 10K and change) and start being able to influence more.

I feel a lot better in the Oland than I ever did in the Skane, and unlike every other Euro tech-tree DD I played to that point, she's even good to go in co-op. The downside of the Oland is that you're going to want to take the turret rotation mod; someone slipped molasses into the turret bearings at the builders' yard.

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Yeah agree, Vis and Vat good ships, Skane meh, but starts getting good again at Oster

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Aren't these boats good candidates for the extra 30% flooding chance skill?

Or has that skill been ruled bad by the way WG is calculating it?

 

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23 minutes ago, Sabot_100 said:

Aren't these boats good candidates for the extra 30% flooding chance skill?

Or has that skill been ruled bad by the way WG is calculating it?

 

It's more just that there are better skills to take with your points beforehand. Once you get through PM(1),  LS(2), SE(3), CE(4), FtT(3), and AR(3), you're already at 16 pts. Then most would either take RPF(4) or SiS(4) which leaves you 1 point for Liquidator (flooding skill), or you could take Superintendent(3) and have 2 points left. I would take all of those skills before I take a +30% flooding chance skill.
 

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Yeah the torps on the line are so trash Im going to invest in guns instead

I found that to be the best parts of Oland and Skane

Can't count on these torps for anything

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I quite like Skane, it's one of the very few tech tree ships at tier 7 I have kept.  Visby was good too, but I found Vasteras quite underwhelming (although I somehow managed to not lose a game while grinding through it, despite thinking it was a pretty average ship).  Skane's torps and AA are both really nice to use, the torps go from the 10km/65kt tier 6 torps, to the first really decent torps in the line, at 12km/76kts.  That's a massive jump, and is one of the reasons Skane is where the EU DD line really starts to shine, and actually feel like the higher tier ships.

Overall the EU DD line is one of the best of the last couple of years, the main issue being they are a bit too user friendly, having everything a DD captain could possible want to make their lives as comfortable as possible, apart from smoke - particularly the tier 10, which is why they are so incredibly popular.

Having said all that, my absolute favourite EU DD's are both premiums - Friesland and Smaland, which are superb ships.  I personally prefer gunboats to torp boats though, so that's why I particularly like these two ships.

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13 hours ago, LunchCutter said:

They reload fast and are very quick.. But man they SUCK!!!!!!

EU torps are about a fear factor as much as anything else. If RNGesus blesses you with a flood, than just thank your lucky stars!

Personally I'd prefer them 10km slower and doing a good bit more dmg. They're a pretty silly outlier in the meta as it is now IMO. 

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12 hours ago, LunchCutter said:

Cheers for the help, it's strange how I really loved the tier 6 Vasteras. Just seems so much harder to enjoy the Skane.. it's torps are fast but everything seems to be able to dodge them..

you should check the torpedo detection radius, EU torps are not exactly stealthy and it gets worst as you go up the tiers.

unfortunately WG got the bad habit of making mid tiers mediocre at best, is not until the t8/t9 when the torp speed and AA start to truly shine.

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I loved Skane but I had to approach it as a support vessel - think of it as cruiser with decent torps & bad guns & great concealment. 

Most importantly, if you like torp boats, Halland is worth this grind.  In the current meta, that boat sings.

 

 

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12 hours ago, LunchCutter said:

Cheers for the help, it's strange how I really loved the tier 6 Vasteras. Just seems so much harder to enjoy the Skane.. it's torps are fast but everything seems to be able to dodge them..

I agree. Vasteras also had, for me anyway, more usable guns, very similar to IJN 127mm DDs. Those guns were useful right out to their max range.

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I have ran into several Skäne drivers that made my game experience a nightmare due to there skill. So far, I’ve not even gotten decent with Vasteras, so I cannot speak on Skäne directly, but I hate fighting them.

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15 hours ago, LunchCutter said:

They reload fast and are very quick.. But man they SUCK!!!!!!

 My last game was a face palm of frustration... 3 torps into a crippled Kitakaze DD at close range, does 9k damage??? 6 torps at a North Carolina, he easily dodges them all. 2 hits into a Tirpitz, barely 5k damage, no flooding from any hit.. Why do I bother? This boat can be fun but its torps are so low damage they are like secondary guns on a mid tier BB, a bonus if they hit something but unlikely to do much damage. Yet the Skanes short range guns are hardly powerful. Also no smoke, slow guns and subpar speed, this boat is a serious chore to play. Its only decent point is ok AA for a DD.

 

 

Are you running Jerzy with a full torp skill build? It makes a noticeable difference.

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On 2/22/2021 at 3:21 AM, Tom_Greg said:

Are you running Jerzy with a full torp skill build? It makes a noticeable difference.

No I missed out on that guy...☹️

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Well after around 30 games with Mr Skane I'm still not sure what type of boat it's trying to be?

It's not a torp boat, it's torps are fast and long range but do minimal damage and it only has 2 narrow triple launchers. 2 hits into a Benson yesterday only did 7k damage.. 

 

 It's definitely not a gun boat with 2 slow turrets and a slow rate if fire and a 10k range. Most other DDs easily out gun it.

 

It's not an effective scout DD, too slow, no smoke and average detection rating even with captain skills and Camo.

 

 It's only positive is above average AA, which generates no real score bonus. Yet can be a support boat for more effective DDs.

 

 It really needs smoke.

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It’s fine? Despite the advice above, I take the flood boost. Skane reloads about the same time torps impact, meaning you can stack floods and fires on reds. She’s not great at much of anything, but is a generalist/all-around dd. Tier 7 isn’t great for any dd...

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13 minutes ago, Telastyn said:

It’s fine? Despite the advice above, I take the flood boost. Skane reloads about the same time torps impact, meaning you can stack floods and fires on reds. She’s not great at much of anything, but is a generalist/all-around dd. Tier 7 isn’t great for any dd...

One of the reasons I am staying at T6 in that class. You avoid radar but get punished with CVs though and the DDs at that tier seem to be good representations of what the lines highlights are.

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1 hour ago, LunchCutter said:

It's definitely not a gun boat with 2 slow turrets and a slow rate if fire and a 10k range. Most other DDs easily out gun it.

According to the wiki, Skane has a faster rate of fire and more shots per minute than Mahan even though Mahan has 5 guns to Skane's 4.

https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Destroyers

 

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2 hours ago, HamAndCheez said:

According to the wiki, Skane has a faster rate of fire and more shots per minute than Mahan even though Mahan has 5 guns to Skane's 4.

https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Destroyers

 

I found the Mahan to be a vastly better gunboat. IT easily smokes Japanese DDs and most other (non French) DDs at medium range. Just let down by it's crappy torps.

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6 straight loses in the Skane today, this DD is getting sold, it is truly the most frustrating boat I've ever played in WoWs... Last game 15 torp hits for a grand total of 48k damage, no kills, 6 torps into a sneaky Georgia at close range did 22k damage, he then wastes me in 1 salvo. I watched him then eat a broadside from another BB at long range and lose 30k health.. Just doesn't seem fair how hard this boat makes you work for the slim rewards. May as well just play BB...

Fast torps do no mean much if they can't really damage anything... The Skanes guns are also really crap. 

 

 Also the serve lack of close games these days in making me question why I keep playing this frustrating game.  

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On 2/20/2021 at 8:10 PM, LunchCutter said:

They reload fast and are very quick.. But man they SUCK!!!!!!

 My last game was a face palm of frustration... 3 torps into a crippled Kitakaze DD at close range, does 9k damage??? 6 torps at a North Carolina, he easily dodges them all. 2 hits into a Tirpitz, barely 5k damage, no flooding from any hit.. Why do I bother? This boat can be fun but its torps are so low damage they are like secondary guns on a mid tier BB, a bonus if they hit something but unlikely to do much damage. Yet the Skanes short range guns are hardly powerful. Also no smoke, slow guns and subpar speed, this boat is a serious chore to play. Its only decent point is ok AA for a DD.

 

 

Breakdown of EU DD line (in my experience):

VII: Skane is suffering
VIII: Oland is decent
IX: Oster is suffering
X: Halland is ok

The fact that their torps heal the target is what kills most the line

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