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I already have W Virginia, but I have a gap at T7 for a US captain trainer for narai...  as well as absolutely no prem RU trainers at these tiers... 

are either the florida or california any good for coop/ops?  I am not a fan of colorado... having to force myself to play her to get to NC, which in the end was a bit of a let down...

 

starting to think i may as well just run atlanta and forget the US BB's...   at least at T7...  

primarily working on capt pts for Tsar Alex

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I like Florida very much. Think of her as a prototype NC, she has nice lines and is a good looking ship and offers a slightly different playstyle for the USN line with quad-gun turrets. Got 155k damage with her in Narai yesterday. She is not a brawler though.

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For the purpose of Narai?

 

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Florida can be really strong in Narai but you have to be very careful about her Citadel.  She can be hurt bad, like "Broadside AP salvo into Ashitaka" kind of bad.  If for some reason Colorado or Queen Elizabeth take an interest with you, you're going to get Overmatched really bad.  Angling to tank with the armor belt is vital.  That said, the reload on the main battery is long, but the accuracy is good, power of the shells fantastic.  Secondaries are pretty good for Non-German this tier because Florida is unique in USN BBs... She sports some single 127mm/38 gun turrets that fire as fast as DD guns.  She's faster and offensively better than California.

 

California is slow, also has a long reload like Florida.  Her secondaries fire really slow.  But she makes up for it by being extremely tough and forgiving to mistakes.  She's also a historical ship if that's your thing.  Here's USS California being built in my home town, Mare Island Naval Shipyard, Vallejo, California.

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FYI:  California and Florida have nearly identical AP shell performance, if one was wondering.

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For Russian Premiums in Tier VII, Narai?  There's CL Lazo, DD Leningrad, and BB Poltava.  First thing's first is what kind of ship you prefer to play more of in Narai, and get the ship that lines up to that preference.

 

Lazo is a "Long Range Or Die" specialist just like every other RU CL in the game.  They're very good at that job because if they try to play at close range, they get rekt.  Lazo's niche in Narai is ideally in doing either the CV Route or the Transports Route.  Mid route with Missouri is dangerous for a CL like her.  After killing the CV up north, we had guys stay north to lob shells over the island and hit targets in the bay.

 

Leningrad is your typical RU DD.  When I used to do Premade teams for Narai, Leningrad was a popular choice because of how fast she swoops in to torpedo Missouri effectively.  Smoke, fast, the RU 130mm guns are always good.

 

Poltava?  She gets neglected a lot because Sinop exists.  "Why would I want another 356mm armed BB in Tier VII?"  Because if you like BBs and want a RU captain trainer, Poltava is very effective for the job.  She's actually a good BB, it's just everyone has Sinop.  But Sinop is a Tech Tree ship and you just can't freely swap captains with her.  I actually got Poltava from one of my Snowflake Tier X crates.  I have been using her because only now for Narai so I could swap in my Kremlin-spec'd Kuznetsov captain who really needs more points.

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1 minute ago, HazeGrayUnderway said:

For the purpose of Narai?

 

USN

Florida can be really strong in Narai but you have to be very careful about her Citadel.  She can be hurt bad, like "Broadside AP salvo into Ashitaka" kind of bad.  If for some reason Colorado or Queen Elizabeth take an interest with you, you're going to get Overmatched really bad.  Angling to tank with the armor belt is vital.  That said, the reload on the main battery is long, but the accuracy is good, power of the shells fantastic.  Secondaries are pretty good for Non-German this tier because Florida is unique in USN BBs... She sports some single 127mm/38 gun turrets that fire as fast as DD guns.  She's faster and offensively better than California.

California is slow, also has a long reload like Florida.  Her secondaries fire really slow.  But she makes up for it by being extremely tough and forgiving to mistakes.  She's also a historical ship if that's your thing.  Here's USS California being built in my home town, Mare Island Naval Shipyard, Vallejo, California.

For Russian Premiums in Tier VII, Narai?  There's CL Lazo, DD Leningrad, and BB Poltava.  First thing's first is what kind of ship you prefer to play more of in Narai, and get the ship that lines up to that preference.

Lazo is a "Long Range Or Die" specialist just like every other RU CL in the game.  They're very good at that job because if they try to play at close range, they get rekt.  Lazo's niche in Narai is ideally in doing either the CV Route or the Transports Route.  Mid route with Missouri is dangerous for a CL like her.  After killing the CV up north, we had guys stay north to lob shells over the island and hit targets in the bay.

Leningrad is your typical RU DD.  When I used to do Premade teams for Narai, Leningrad was a popular choice because of how fast she swoops in to torpedo Missouri effectively.  Smoke, fast, the RU 130mm guns are always good.

Poltava?  She gets neglected a lot because Sinop exists.  "Why would I want another 356mm armed BB in Tier VII?"  Because if you like BBs and want a RU captain trainer, Poltava is very effective for the job.  She's actually a good BB, it's just everyone has Sinop.  But Sinop is a Tech Tree ship and you just can't freely swap captains with her.  I actually got Poltava from one of my Snowflake Tier X crates.  I have been using her because only now for Narai because I could swap in my Kremlin-spec'd Kuznetsov captain who really needs more points.

Thanks for this, good info.

Tsar is trained on my vladivostok (though i am taking him up the line), and is my highest pt captain.  I prefer bb's in narai as they can be more forgiving.  I hadn't ever looked at poltava.

Florida sounds interesting, the fragility doesn't really bother me for ops play as positioning is greatly simplified..

slow reload of the us bb's though....   sounds like its a decision between Florida and poltava... 

 

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24 minutes ago, SKurj said:

Thanks for this, good info.

Tsar is trained on my vladivostok (though i am taking him up the line), and is my highest pt captain.  I prefer bb's in narai as they can be more forgiving.  I hadn't ever looked at poltava.

Florida sounds interesting, the fragility doesn't really bother me for ops play as positioning is greatly simplified..

slow reload of the us bb's though....   sounds like its a decision between Florida and poltava... 

 

thanks

Here's fitting tool entries for the ships in question if you want to fool around before committing.

Florida

California

Poltava

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man california looks painful with the slow reload and slow turrets..

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there is also the boise (t7 CL USN) which after going back to it recently, is a fairly strong ship. its not gamebreakingly strong but it cna be fun and having a conc heal lets it take punishment it really shouldent be able to.

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2 hours ago, SKurj said:

gap at T7 for a US captain trainer for narai.

It's not a BB but I run my BB commanders on it, Boise. The 3 battles I have played on it today, so far. Great ship to use signals and camos on. As far as RU goes I really only use Leningrad and Lazo, which is all of the premium/Special choices at tier 7, at least it's all of them that I have. Molotov at tier 6 is a good trainer Izmail is a good ship but no bonus's.

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tnx, i am lvl'ing Tsar Alex and can only run prems (he is trained on vlad), but i have considered picking up atlanta (well i definitely will at some point) as i can run him in both RU and US prems

i saw boise, it's another ship i don't know anything about in game...  

 

decisions decisions...

 

 

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14 hours ago, SKurj said:

as well as absolutely no prem RU trainers at these tiers... 

Lazo (RU T7 light cruiser) is available for coal.

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12 hours ago, SKurj said:

man california looks painful with the slow reload and slow turrets..

For Narai, California's slow speed isn't as much an issue because the Operation goes at a very specific pace, i.e. keeping up with the convoy of troop transports.  But outside Narai, you're playing catchup.  Colorado is faster than California.

 

The slow reload is an issue, and Florida will share in that problem.

 

Russian BB Poltava has 29kt speed and 28 seconds reload for her 356mm 3x3 main battery.  She's pretty serviceable if you need more speed and abhor BB reloads past 30 seconds.  She's no Sinop, but then again, what is in Tier VII than Sinop herself? LOL

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21 hours ago, SKurj said:

T7 for a US captain trainer for narai.

Florida is pretty good, I do not have it personally, but team mates that do, love it.

Also, don't forget you can use the same BB Capt to run a cruiser with his own cruiser skill spec. I do this now as getting Capts from 19 to 21 is stupid. So my Repub secondary Capt, which I also use on my Bourgogne and Jean Bart, I also use on my Degrassi (T6 Cruiser) to farm the T6 missions of the week.

So I would also consider a good premium U.S cruiser. If you have the coal, you could get the flint which is an Atlanta with smoke, but one less turret. I personally recommend the Boise which is basically a Helena with a super heal. Others love their Atlanta. I think you asked in another thread what the build was for my Boise, hit me up anytime if you want to know more, happy to answer in game too.

Cant really comment on Mother Russia. I restrict my ships for MOTW to mainly French, U.S, Zee Germans, U.K and Commonwealth (cause I'm an Aussie).

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Tier-7 Premium ships I enjoy playing in Narai.

Scharnhorst(B)
Hood
Strasbourg

I don't have the Lazo.  So, cannot comment on it.

I have several other ships I enjoy playing in Narai, but they are tech-tree or not available in the premium shop.

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On 2/21/2021 at 11:55 AM, HazeGrayUnderway said:

Russian BB Poltava has 29kt speed and 28 seconds reload for her 356mm 3x3 main battery.  She's pretty serviceable if you need more speed and abhor BB reloads past 30 seconds. 

Unfortunately she's also "not currently available".

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11 minutes ago, Ensign_Cthulhu said:

Unfortunately she's also "not currently available".

I really hate the practice of cycling Premium Ships in / out of the shop.  It's so stupid.  Just leave the damn things in there unless they're breaking the game.

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On 2/20/2021 at 9:41 PM, SKurj said:

man california looks painful with the slow reload and slow turrets..

  That's what I thought, but try it anyway!  It was a very pleasant surprise- not only is it tough, but it's accurate.    And that is NOTHING to sneeze at when you have 12 guns!

  It's what New Mexico should be, but only wishes so because tier 6.    I've found my Cally to be both effective and a lot of fun to play.    Never tried it in Narai, though.   (I got bored with that scenario a long time ago)

  Florida is pretty much what others have said:  Good guns that reload a trifle slower than you'd like, and fairly squishy for a US BB.   It IS however, faster than Cally- which can be a factor in the current pve.    Kinda feels and plays more like a really heavy CA, than a full-on BB  (perhaps battlecruiser-ish?), in that you have to be actively involved in it's defense, when facing ships with heavy guns.   You just can't passively tank.  All in all, I like it- not as much as California or NC, but I do like it.   Having 8 guns forward can be a big plus when a good opportunity strikes!    More cruiser crusher than BB slugger.

 

  I have a crap ton of Soviet premiums in this range- few if any have more than a few games in them.   I'm not actively grinding USSR cruisers atm, and still fooling around with the tier 5 BB, so I have no recommendations for ya.    I did like the hell out of Buddy for ops, and Lazo can be pretty fun to play as well.

 

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To go again into the squishiness of Florida:  Below is the exterior armor profile of Florida.

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The armor belt is more than fine if you angle and shells strike there.  The deck armor is 37mm, which for Tier VII is pretty good.  Not German quality, but you're firmly in the middle.  But it's the light yellow armor on the hull that is the big issue.

Extremities are 25mm.  The upper hull sides / yellow colored armor belt is 26mm.  381mm+ AP shells will Overmatch and do terrible, terrible things to Florida.

 

You can try to angle and tank with an angled armor belt, but Dispersion may ruin you.  The AI will try for the center, waterline hits like it always does.  In a perfect world, the shells will bounce off Florida's angled 285mm armor belt at the waterline.  But Dispersion means that shots can scatter and end up hitting your bow / stern or that upper hull side with 26mm.

 

Of the 3 Slava style BBs in the game, Slava herself, Champagne, and Florida, Florida is the one with the most suspect protection that's vulnerable to common BB shell sizes of her own tier.  Slava and Champagne have thinner than typical BB extremities for their tier, but their armor belts, deck armor, upper hull sides are still solid for the tier.

VIII Champagne has 25mm extremities which are vulnerable, but can angle and tank like a champ because her mid section is 32mm.  Only 460mm+ AP can Overmatch that.

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X Slava has a 32mm deck armor, 150mm upper hull side, so she can angle still.  She can still angle against AP up to 460mm.  You see that dark orange armor section sticking forward in halfway through the bow?  That's her fore end armor belt extending into her bow, it's 100mm thick.

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If your protection scheme while angled is only compromised by 460mm+ AP, that's still pretty good, because a lot of "normal" Battleships will get LOLPEN'ed by those shells.

 

VII Florida is dicey even with angling.  You are literally praying those 380mm+ AP shells miss your extremities or that upper armor belt entirely.  As a Tier VII BB in Co-Op, she will encounter a lot of 380mm+ armed Battleships from even as low as Tier VI.  In Operation Narai, those threats are known beforehand and much more limited, and you can play around that.

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looks like florida is IJN squishy...  mebbe somewhere between nagato and amagi

coming to that conclusion really just comparing citadel protection down the sides... 

 

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52 minutes ago, SKurj said:

looks like florida is IJN squishy...  mebbe somewhere between nagato and amagi

coming to that conclusion really just comparing citadel protection down the sides... 

 

Nagato's actually pretty sturdy for a non-German BB this tier.  But if you meant Ashitaka, she is a well known squishy BB in Tier VII, but she's less susceptible to DELETIONS than Florida.

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For Narai, I'd go with the Atlanta.  If you're looking to look for a line of battleships, I'd go with the KM.  Scharnhorst is awesome in Naria, as is the Gneisenau.  Secondary spec'd Bayern works well in the t6 ops (including Newport.)

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Well....I would highly recommend Molotov. I don't have much T6/7 trainers/premiums on NA and I brought her specifically because of that. She is very good in KW and Aegis,.somewhat less in Raptor/Newport but still workable. Also on Eu I picked up the Lazo, because I didn't have an RU operation ship.

Also for Narai, Strass is surprisingly very good and LOTS of fun.

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