why run top grade gunner with concealment expert

[weiwaynezhang]

a lot of recommend build run both. why conceal if you want to max the TGG?

thanks

[SoothingWhaleSongEU]

The vital cruiser role of Destroyer hunting for me.

That -8% reload might well be another volley whilst they're visible (radar or otherwise).

[Oldschool_Gaming_YT]

7 minutes ago, weiwaynezhang said:

a lot of recommend build run both. why conceal if you want to max the TGG?

thanks

I think you might have misunderstood. Its usually Concealment and Dead Eye that is the new Go-To build. Because if you stay far away from enemys you get better dispertion.

 

*Edit* Or maybe I misunderstood?! Are we talking cruisers?

[WaywardVariable]

5 minutes ago, weiwaynezhang said:

a lot of recommend build run both. why conceal if you want to max the TGG?

thanks

IMHO That would seem to be a benefit for DD hunting/close DD support, often you're going to be up and close and personal with DD's in that role and having the faster reload on MB and Secondaries would be of benefit while not sacrificing your ability to sneak up on your prey.

[weiwaynezhang]

21 minutes ago, Oldschool_Gaming_YT said:

I think you might have misunderstood. Its usually Concealment and Dead Eye that is the new Go-To build. Because if you stay far away from enemys you get better dispertion.

 

*Edit* Or maybe I misunderstood?! Are we talking cruisers?

I am talking about cruisers, TGG is only cruiser

[slider37]

I run TGG with CE on my Atago.  Why not?  With <10 km concealment, I outspot many cruisers.  And when I run into DD, the extra volume of fire with TGG is devastating to any that does not run away ASAP.

[Pirate_Named_Sue]

33 minutes ago, SoothingWhaleSongEU said:

The vital cruiser role of Destroyer hunting for me.

That -8% reload might well be another volley whilst they're visible (radar or otherwise).

This. DD’s and surprise brawling any occasionally end game.

[HazeGrayUnderway]

Because outside of CE & IFHE there's literally nothing else to experiment with in Tier 4 Cruiser Skills.  Everything is trash but them.

 

15 seconds reload for lots of Heavy Cruisers x 8% TGG reload buff = 1.2 seconds reload shaved off.

6.5 seconds reload for a CL (Cleveland in this case) x 8% TGG reload buff = 0.52 seconds reload shaved off

Alaska with MBM3 has 17.6 seconds reload x 8% TGG buff = 1.4 seconds reload shaved off.

For 4 f--king points.

Get the f--k out of here!

[Karstodes]

10 minutes ago, HazeGrayUnderway said:

Because outside of CE & IFHE there's literally nothing else to experiment with in Tier 4 Cruiser Skills.  Everything is trash but them.

 

15 seconds reload for lots of Heavy Cruisers x 8% TGG reload buff = 1.2 seconds reload shaved off.

6.5 seconds reload for a CL (Cleveland in this case) x 8% TGG reload buff = 0.52 seconds reload shaved off

Alaska with MBM3 has 17.6 seconds reload x 8% TGG buff = 1.4 seconds reload shaved off.

For 4 f--king points.

Get the f--k out of here!

On ships that do not need it, RPF is more useful. Quick firing cruiser like Worcester, Minotaur or Des Moines can use RPF to hunt DD.

I find it especially useful on ships with long reload, like Venezia and Alaska.

[HazeGrayUnderway]

1 hour ago, Karstodes said:

On ships that do not need it, RPF is more useful. Quick firing cruiser like Worcester, Minotaur or Des Moines can use RPF to hunt DD.

I find it especially useful on ships with long reload, like Venezia and Alaska.

Even in the old skill system days, after experimenting with RPF, I discarded it.  I was a guy that played a lot of Radar Cruisers, too, and I just didn't need it.  It was obvious to tell where the DDs were without it because I had spent time before playing as a DD haha

Edit:  A savvy opponent will be able to tell where the RPF ship is at.

[Morpheous]

2 hours ago, SoothingWhaleSongEU said:

The vital cruiser role of Destroyer hunting for me.

That -8% reload might well be another volley whilst they're visible (radar or otherwise).

Its beauty in an Emerald or any Close in support CA as you have stated... or perhaps in a CA hunting CA like the Alaska.

[Shannon_Lindsey]

Top Grade Gunner has value to two groups of ships. The obvious one is Anti-Concealment, but that's not the one you are asking about. The other group are your close range cap fighting cruisers, defined by having radar and/or smoke. They have a tendency to engage ships at close range and gain major benefit from the skill while doing so, yet need concealment to disengage from the bigger and badder ships when necessary.