152 [KAG] Digital_Wind Members 203 posts 10,749 battles Report post #1 Posted February 5 Would you be willing to wait 1 minute longer in exchange for a MM of only +/-1 Teir instead of 2? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
7,069 [WORX] Navalpride33 Members 12,640 posts 19,907 battles Report post #2 Posted February 5 Just now, Digital_Wind said: Would you be willing to wait 1 minute longer in exchange for a MM of only +/-1 Teir instead of 2? No. 2 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
109 [D-H-O] Ephetian -Members- 65 posts 623 battles Report post #3 Posted February 5 2 minutes ago, Digital_Wind said: Would you be willing to wait 1 minute longer in exchange for a MM of only +/-1 Teir instead of 2? NOPE! But I DO welcome the increased income due to shooting at higher tier ships! 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
497 [XXII] Lose_dudes Banned 862 posts 979 battles Report post #4 Posted February 5 11 minutes ago, Digital_Wind said: Would you be willing to wait 1 minute longer in exchange for a MM of only +/-1 Teir instead of 2? They actually use +/- 1 in wowp. However, the mm wait times are usually over 1 min and there's mostly bots. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
152 [KAG] Digital_Wind Members 203 posts 10,749 battles Report post #5 Posted February 5 Well okay then. Thought this was a no brainer...guess not 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,891 [WOLF5] AJTP89 Supertester 4,843 posts 4,285 battles Report post #6 Posted February 5 10 minutes ago, Lose_dudes said: They actually use +/- 1 in wowp. However, the mm wait times are usually over 1 min and there's mostly bots. Pretty sure that's an overall WOWP problem and not MM 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
497 [XXII] Lose_dudes Banned 862 posts 979 battles Report post #7 Posted February 5 1 minute ago, AJTP89 said: Pretty sure that's an overall WOWP problem and not MM Yeah. Although, frankly, tier difference is less apparent if it weren't for bombers. There could be a b-32 on one team and a pe-2 on the other if it was +/-2. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,233 [FRR] Hukom Members 862 posts Report post #8 Posted February 5 27 minutes ago, Digital_Wind said: Would you be willing to wait 1 minute longer in exchange for a MM of only +/-1 Teir instead of 2? Yes. I think it is time. But then again, that will never guarantee anyone a better chance of winning because of so many variables. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,400 Wombatmetal Members 4,349 posts 3,255 battles Report post #9 Posted February 5 18 minutes ago, Lose_dudes said: They actually use +/- 1 in wowp. However, the mm wait times are usually over 1 min and there's mostly bots. WOWP has its own balancing challenges unique to the game. If you did +2/-2 you would have jets flying against P40s and it wouldn't be pretty. And P40s against biplanes. It would be a slaughter. +1/-1 makes sense there The problem isn't +2/-2 for WOWS; it's how many times your bottom tier. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
497 [XXII] Lose_dudes Banned 862 posts 979 battles Report post #10 Posted February 5 2 minutes ago, Wombatmetal said: WOWP has its own balancing challenges unique to the game. If you did +2/-2 you would have jets flying against P40s and it wouldn't be pretty. And P40s against biplanes. It would be a slaughter. +1/-1 makes sense there The problem isn't +2/-2 for WOWS; it's how many times your bottom tier. Well, actually, the only t7 jet is the meteor, and the p-40 could probably outturn a meteor. Tiers in wowp are split into historical periods, so you won't see most jets until period 3, or t8. DIfferent things matter in wowp, so yeah. I don't really know about wows. I only recently found out cruisers have torpedoes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
497 [XXII] Lose_dudes Banned 862 posts 979 battles Report post #11 Posted February 5 ❤❤❤💛💛 that's an OK idea Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4,335 [CNO] Soshi_Sone [CNO] Members 6,353 posts 19,362 battles Report post #12 Posted February 5 No. I like the +/- 2. Have lots of really fun games being down two tiers. 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,428 [FEM] Kebobs22 Members 2,107 posts 17,376 battles Report post #13 Posted February 5 Some of my best and favorite games were bottom tier. Makes for a much more dynamic battle often, issue is more the mindset of players to just throw in the towel when bottom tier. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,891 [WOLF5] AJTP89 Supertester 4,843 posts 4,285 battles Report post #14 Posted February 5 (edited) To answer OP's question, it depends on what the base MM time is. Sometimes I get a match in less than 20sec. In that case adding another minute would be fine. But just as often the MM wait is over a minute. At that point I'm not willing to wait another minute for a match, and I suspect I'm far more patient than most of the playerbase. It boils down to total wait time. A minute I'm fine. Start pushing 2 minutes and I'm starting to get annoyed. So it's not a matter of this will add another minute, it's a matter of what will the total wait time be. And from queue times I've seen lately adding another minute would be pushing over 2 minutes. There's other considerations too. My guess is that to do the +/- MM other MM rules would be relaxed, and I'm not sure that would be an improvement. CVs at even tiers only then also start becoming more of an issue. Finally there's the fact that ships are balanced around a +/-2 spread. Yanking in the ranges changes that. Not significantly but enough to matter I think. T8 now doesn't see T10 or T6, I suspect that a ship equipped for T10 might be a bit overtuned now that it suddenly sees T7 a lot more. And of course credit earning takes a hit. People might not like the new MM so much when they start literally paying for it. So changing MM isn't as simple as adding a minute to MM queue time, the wait time equation is more complex, MM changes more than you might think, and ship balance is definitely affected. This is why WG balances the game, and not the playerbase. That said, I wouldn't mind WG looking into it. Their stance has always been no. But there are definitely problems with +/-2 MM. I don't think it would hurt for WG to at least look into it and test it out, or if they already have tell us the outcome. I think there are problems with a +/-1 MM, but +/-2 isn't perfect and at least considering the other system would be good IMO. Edited February 5 by AJTP89 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,067 [ARS] Helstrem Beta Testers 5,784 posts 6,023 battles Report post #15 Posted February 5 1 hour ago, Digital_Wind said: Would you be willing to wait 1 minute longer in exchange for a MM of only +/-1 Teir instead of 2? No. In fact I wouldn't opt for a +/-1 MM over the +/-2 MM if it were 1 minute less wait time for it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
8,740 [GWG] BrushWolf [GWG] Alpha Tester 27,934 posts 14,885 battles Report post #16 Posted February 5 No, if this was WoT I would agree because of how top tier tanks are pretty much invulnerable to bottom tier tanks. Yes, there are some ships that struggle as bottom tier, stock hulls with no upgrades mostly, but preferred MM would handle those ships. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
10,489 [SALVO] Crucis Members 26,139 posts 29,178 battles Report post #17 Posted February 5 1 hour ago, BrushWolf said: No, if this was WoT I would agree because of how top tier tanks are pretty much invulnerable to bottom tier tanks. Yes, there are some ships that struggle as bottom tier, stock hulls with no upgrades mostly, but preferred MM would handle those ships. It's also worth noting that WoT has a much larger player base and could arguably support using a +/-1 tier MM. And yet WG hasn't made this change even for WoT after all these years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,469 [SALVO] ArIskandir Members 7,067 posts 5,529 battles Report post #18 Posted February 5 2 hours ago, Digital_Wind said: Would you be willing to wait 1 minute longer in exchange for a MM of only +/-1 Teir instead of 2? no 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
230 [RBMK2] contag10n [RBMK2] Members 618 posts 12,522 battles Report post #19 Posted February 5 No Of all the issues the game may have +/-2 MM is really low on the list. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,052 CylonRed Members 5,664 posts 11,000 battles Report post #20 Posted February 6 It is going to be more than 1 minute... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,417 [O_O] desmo_2 Members 6,974 posts 16,993 battles Report post #21 Posted February 6 No. +/- 2 tiers is not a problem. I would prefer to see MM fixed by limiting CV's to 1 per team, and balancing the number of radar ships per team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
