186 CremeFraiche1 Members 37 posts 987 battles Report post #1 Posted January 31 (edited) This is coming from a carrier player, who knows what overpowered means. (That's why I play carriers). Recently, I've been playing DD's and they are so much more rewarding to play, you actually have to think. Anyway, here comes the rant... Did I take a ton of damage, here, let me print a new ship. Are you using your armor effectively? That's fine, doesn't bother me. Are you super far away? Don't worry, I'm even more accurate than before. After this things removal, I hope I see it less and less as time goes on, just like what happened to Smolensk. Edited January 31 by CremeFraiche1 2 1 1 7 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,095 [DEV_X] Skuggsja Alpha Tester 2,737 posts 26,285 battles Report post #2 Posted January 31 It wasnt as much of an issue before they announced its removal. Once everyone started grabbing her it's now an issue. It's very annoying how they do this stuff. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
126 [G0ATS] BadNews420 Members 539 posts 10,592 battles Report post #3 Posted January 31 It will not be removed from the game, they will only remove the possibility to buy it. Sorry for the bad news. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,426 WarStore Banned 1,424 posts 6,083 battles Report post #4 Posted January 31 Well, it won't be exactly removed. Just announced that it won't be available for purchase several months from the announcement so everyone has plenty of time to collect resources and buy a Thunderer instead of any other ship they actually wanted, making the problem worse by tenfold. Then, don't be surprised if it comes back in a black camouflage. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,517 [ALL41] Skyfaller Beta Testers 2,409 posts 10,655 battles Report post #5 Posted January 31 15 minutes ago, CremeFraiche1 said: This is coming from a carrier player, who knows what overpowered means. (That's why I play carriers). Recently, I've been playing DD's and they are so much more rewarding to play, you actually have to think. Anyway, here comes the rant... Did I take a ton of damage, here, let me print a new ship. Are you using your armor effectively? That's fine, doesn't bother me. Are you super far away? Don't worry, I'm even more accurate than before. After this things removal, I hope I see it less and less as time goes on, just like what happened to Smolensk. Thunderer is not really that OP .. yes, it does high HE damage but then again, all brit BB's do that and Conqueror performs just as well in HE pain delivery. I play my thunderer only to make soviet ships cry given HE doesn't care about their bias advantages. Aside from that, anytime I play cruiser or yamato or vermont I'm really glad to see red thunderers because I know how to citadel them from any range and from almost any angle...and it does not have the super-brit repair so they are easy to take out in comparison. Range and accuracy are good in it but its not stellar... I mean, it doesn't suddenly gain pixel-accuracy like soviet ships do at X range. Case in point, you can run a conqueror and lob HE from max range and you will still do just as much damage and fires as a thunderer would...its just thunderer has more range overall. The only thing I would consider 'unfair' about thunderer is the silly shorter time to go back into stealth thing. Due to netlag and some remaining spotting mechanics issues you run into situations where a thunderer fires at you and isnt drawn on your client for a few seconds..and then you end up with even less time to line up your return fire shot. 1 2 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,490 [WKY04] Pugilistic Members 3,884 posts 25,000 battles Report post #6 Posted January 31 (edited) 22 minutes ago, CremeFraiche1 said: This is coming from a carrier player, who knows what overpowered means. (That's why I play carriers). Recently, I've been playing DD's and they are so much more rewarding to play, you actually have to think. Anyway, here comes the rant... Did I take a ton of damage, here, let me print a new ship. Are you using your armor effectively? That's fine, doesn't bother me. Are you super far away? Don't worry, I'm even more accurate than before. After this things removal, I hope I see it less and less as time goes on, just like what happened to Smolensk. You state that carriers as a class are overpowered, and yet you celebrate the removal of a single ship of another type. But you are fine with carriers as they presently exist. The irony; I can taste it. Edited January 31 by Pugilistic 2 3 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
661 [WOLFG] Captain_Rawhide Members 1,071 posts Report post #7 Posted January 31 Good lord, I can't make this ship work for me. I don't care much for BBs in the first place, but I don't get what all the hoopla is over this ship. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
376 [NAVAL] syp_twiz [NAVAL] Members 239 posts 13,802 battles Report post #8 Posted January 31 clan mate took the conqueror, i took the thunderer, we both got witherer with it in the same round.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
495 [CDOH] Rothgar_57 Members 792 posts 8,265 battles Report post #9 Posted January 31 15 minutes ago, Pugilistic said: You state that carriers as a class are overpowered, and yet you celebrate the removal of a single ship of another type. But you are fine with carriers as they presently exist. The irony; I can taste it. he never said he was fine with it. He just stated he plays them cause they are op. I play thunderer and i know its OP, bad for the game. I would love to see it removed completely from the game. I wouldn't even ask for my coal back. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,490 [WKY04] Pugilistic Members 3,884 posts 25,000 battles Report post #10 Posted January 31 1 minute ago, Rothgar_57 said: he never said he was fine with it. He just stated he plays them cause they are op. I play thunderer and i know its OP, bad for the game. I would love to see it removed completely from the game. I wouldn't even ask for my coal back. If you want one removed because it is OP, why not the other? Its a glaring inconsistency. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,764 [PQUOD] Capt_Ahab1776 [PQUOD] Members 4,943 posts 18,391 battles Report post #11 Posted January 31 I’ve got the Thunderer and the Smolensk. I like them both. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
495 [CDOH] Rothgar_57 Members 792 posts 8,265 battles Report post #12 Posted January 31 4 minutes ago, Pugilistic said: If you want one removed because it is OP, why not the other? Its a glaring inconsistency. He was not addressing Carriers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
94 Torque64 Members 199 posts 19,385 battles Report post #13 Posted January 31 Whining about the Thudder and Smo and you play Cv's... what a laugh. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,490 [WKY04] Pugilistic Members 3,884 posts 25,000 battles Report post #14 Posted January 31 Just now, Rothgar_57 said: He was not addressing Carriers. And in so doing, he was ignoring the 800-pound gorilla in the room. As I said, irony. Towering, magisterial irony. 2 1 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4,242 [KWF] warheart1992 Members 5,832 posts 7,025 battles Report post #15 Posted January 31 (edited) Simply put, either give a BB good HE, or good AP. Don't do both and add on top some Warspite magic. Won't even comment on how bad the HE is not that much due to the damage or fire chance, but by how much stuff a single salvo breaks, making you easy meat for CVs. Edited January 31 by warheart1992 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,989 [A-I-M] MannyD_of_The_Sea Members 3,880 posts 14,916 battles Report post #16 Posted January 31 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Pugilistic said: The irony; I can taste it. It’s been out on the countertop a bit too long, starting to smell a bit more like hypocrisy. Edited January 31 by MannyD_of_The_Sea Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
805 [CO-OP] Efros Members 2,098 posts 27,660 battles Report post #17 Posted January 31 There seems to be quite a few players around just now who are trying their best to disprove Thunderer's idiot proof reputation. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
7,197 [HINON] RipNuN2 Members 14,015 posts Report post #18 Posted January 31 1 hour ago, CremeFraiche1 said: Did I take a ton of damage, here, let me print a new ship. Thunderer doesnt print a new ship. Conq does. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
381 [XXX] Yandere_Roon Members 659 posts 1,625 battles Report post #19 Posted January 31 3 minutes ago, RipNuN2 said: Thunderer doesnt print a new ship. Conq does. Yup Thunderer gets the Warspite heal, not the tier 9 and 10 superheal the regular RN get. It's more comparable to the heal the USN BBs (the fast ones, not the slow ones) get. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4,790 [A-D-F] Burnsy Beta Testers, In AlfaTesters 8,816 posts Report post #20 Posted January 31 1 hour ago, CremeFraiche1 said: This is coming from a carrier player, who knows what overpowered means. (That's why I play carriers). Recently, I've been playing DD's and they are so much more rewarding to play, you actually have to think. Anyway, here comes the rant... Did I take a ton of damage, here, let me print a new ship. Are you using your armor effectively? That's fine, doesn't bother me. Are you super far away? Don't worry, I'm even more accurate than before. After this things removal, I hope I see it less and less as time goes on, just like what happened to Smolensk. Slava laughs in Slava. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,989 [A-I-M] MannyD_of_The_Sea Members 3,880 posts 14,916 battles Report post #21 Posted January 31 41 minutes ago, Efros said: There seems to be quite a few players around just now who are trying their best to disprove Thunderer's idiot proof reputation. Well, you know what they say: Just when you think you’ve made something idiot-proof, someone comes along and invents a better idiot. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
785 [-TRM-] xHeavy [-TRM-] Members 2,614 posts Report post #22 Posted January 31 The term idiot proof in trucking amuses me to no end. All the computers and networking inside a tractor when some thing breaks it's just as dead as a old iron without batteries. (Runs the fuel pump... among other things) Don't worry someone will manage to break it at some point. All it really did was pull forward a future purchasing of the Thunderer in some way or form. I got mine for coal. It only cost the time to accumulate that much minus the coupon difference. The ship can still be sunk rather easily like all other ships in the game. All problems are resolved by the eventual application of sufficient firepower. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,749 [-KIA-] ValkyrWarframe Members 5,207 posts 14,151 battles Report post #23 Posted January 31 (edited) It's absolutely amazing how many people will try to defend Thunderer despite it being egregiously overpowered. In the history of Tier 10 ships I don't think I have seen a ship more overpowered as Thunderer, maybe original on release Stalingrad could compete but that thing lasted for about two weeks before being indirectly nerfed with removal of BB AP and fire duration nerf from 45->60 seconds. The thing with Thunderer is that unlike Conqueror which is mostly relegated to the realm of pure damage farming, Thunderer can actually have impact by using its incredibly good AP on top of being better than Conqueror for damage farming if you know how to aim and stack fires properly. Hell even on release Kremlin or Venezia wasn't as stupid as Thunderer is now. I'm also fairly certain Thunderer basically got an indirect buff from the captain rework due to deadeye and its already absurd concealment. I'd even argue it's better than Franklin D. Roosevelt or Midway when it comes to farming damage, at least those two have to take longer than 30 seconds to reach their target usually, and FDR has to wait 25 to attack again. Not to mention Thunderer can kill most cruisers with ease. Forget Petropavlovsk, Stalingrad, Kremlin, any supposedly overpowered Russian ship people whine about at Tier 10. Forget carriers too. Thunderer takes the cake and gobbles it whole. Edited January 31 by ValkyrWarframe Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4,317 [WOLFG] DrHolmes52 Members 11,844 posts 10,997 battles Report post #24 Posted January 31 1 hour ago, xHeavy said: The term idiot proof in trucking amuses me to no end. It is more amusing (and probably more dangerous) in engineering. Someone, somewhere is out there improving idiots. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
891 [HELLS] GrandAdmiral_2016 Members 2,802 posts 30,590 battles Report post #25 Posted January 31 3 hours ago, CremeFraiche1 said: After this things removal, I hope I see it less and less as time goes on, just like what happened to Smolensk. You won't. Us Thunderers will make sure of that! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
