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Make ASASHIO torps hit the BATTLE-CRUISERS

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Hello,

I think it is time to give the Asashio the capability to hit battle-cruisers with her torps, like: Kronshtadt, Alaska, Puerto Rico, Stalingrad, Moskva, Petropavlovsk, Yoshino, Azuma, Siegfried, Agir, etc.

If they have the same draught, draft, deep (whatever you call it) like a BB, then Asashio torps should hit them. It's logic.

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Just now, Rednecks_Slayer said:

Hello,

I think it is time to give the Asashio the capability to hit battle-cruisers with her torps, like: Kronshtadt, Alaska, Puerto Rico, Stalingrad, Moskva, Petropavlovsk, Yoshino, Azuma, Siegfried, Agir, etc.

It may have been the time but with the new skill rework coming in.... well it is not going to be the time lol.

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I think that’s a horrible idea. 

Sleepy face it all you want, it doesn’t make a stupid idea any better. 

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1 hour ago, paradat said:

It may have been the time but with the new skill rework coming in.... well it is not going to be the time lol.

As an Asashio owner and fan, I do agree with holding off depending on how the skill work comes out. Right now this skill rework sounds like it's going to screw battlecruiser something ugly already.

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I believe during the development of the Pan-Asian destroyer line the original idea was for Deepwater torps to hit depending upon the draught of the ship, but they simplified it to "not destroyers but yes to cruisers, battleships & carriers" to make it clearer to the players what it would/wouldn't hit.

Likewise I suspect Asashio's is simplified to just battleships and carriers for the same reason and I doubt WG is in a rush to change this.

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1 minute ago, TheArc said:

Aa an Asashio owner and fan, I do agree with holding off depending on how the skill work comes out. Right now is skill rework sounds like it's going to screw battlecruiser something ugly already.

Yeah I have both Asashio versions and .... nope bad idea. Not sure BC are getting screwed but they are certainly going to be less tanky. 

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Just pointing out an Asashio's deep water torps will pass under an Alaska class ship with

Displacement:
  • Standard: 29,779 long tons (30,257 t)
Length: 808 ft 6 in (246.4 m)
Beam: 91 ft 1 in (27.8 m)
Draft: 31 ft 10 in (9.7 m)

But it will hit a Dunkerque class despite being smaller, weighing less and having less draft.

Displacement:
  • 26,500 t (26,100 long tons) (standard)
Length: 214.5 m (704 ft)
Beam: 31.08 m (102.0 ft)
Draft: 8.7 m (29 ft)
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2 minutes ago, SoothingWhaleSongEU said:

I believe during the development of the Pan-Asian destroyer line the original idea was for Deepwater torps to hit depending upon the draught of the ship, but they simplified it to "not destroyers but yes to cruisers, battleships & carriers" to make it clearer to the players what it would/wouldn't hit.

Likewise I suspect Asashio's is simplified to just battleships and carriers for the same reason and I doubt WG is in a rush to change this.

These battle-cruisers who flooded the game are as big and as armored as BBs and sometimes even more overpowered than them, so, people play them instead of BBs, which leave Asashio without a purpose.

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Just now, Rednecks_Slayer said:

These battle-cruisers who flooded the game are as big and as armored as BBs and sometimes even more overpowered than them, so, people play them instead of BBs, which leave Asashio without a purpose.

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2 minutes ago, Sventex said:

Just pointing out an Asashio's deep water torps will pass under an Alaska class ship with

Displacement:
  • Standard: 29,779 long tons (30,257 t)
Length: 808 ft 6 in (246.4 m)
Beam: 91 ft 1 in (27.8 m)
Draft: 31 ft 10 in (9.7 m)

But it will hit a Dunkerque class despite being smaller, weighting less and having less draft.

Displacement:
  • 26,500 t (26,100 long tons) (standard)
Length: 214.5 m (704 ft)
Beam: 31.08 m (102.0 ft)
Draft: 8.7 m (29 ft)

Thank you, that is what I mean, these overpowered battle-cruisers are as big as or even bigger than some BBs, so ...

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6 minutes ago, Sventex said:

Just pointing out an Asashio's deep water torps will pass under an Alaska class ship with

Displacement:
  • Standard: 29,779 long tons (30,257 t)
Length: 808 ft 6 in (246.4 m)
Beam: 91 ft 1 in (27.8 m)
Draft: 31 ft 10 in (9.7 m)

But it will hit a Dunkerque class despite being smaller, weighting less and having less draft.

Displacement:
  • 26,500 t (26,100 long tons) (standard)
Length: 214.5 m (704 ft)
Beam: 31.08 m (102.0 ft)
Draft: 8.7 m (29 ft)

He has a point.

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Just now, Rednecks_Slayer said:

These battle-cruisers who flooded the game are as big and as armored as BBs and sometimes even more overpowered than them, so, people play them instead of BBs, which leave Asashio without a purpose.

I mean I've certainly not noticed anything resembling a drought of battleships at tiers 6-10 on the EU server.

Whether Large Cruisers should share the same slot in MM as light and heavy cruisers is occasionally brought up for debate but honestly I don't think it's actual battleships they're intimidating.

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9 minutes ago, paradat said:

Yeah I have both Asashio versions and .... nope bad idea. Not sure BC are getting screwed but they are certainly going to be less tanky. 

I'm sorry, but if you were capable of buying 2 identical ships only because one of them has black paint .... than I can not trust your opinions.

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5 minutes ago, Rednecks_Slayer said:

These battle-cruisers who flooded the game are as big and as armored as B[edited]

 

Which supercruiser is anywhere near as well-armored as a battleship at the same tier?

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2 minutes ago, Rednecks_Slayer said:

I'm sorry, but if you were capable of buying 2 identical ships only because one of them has black paint .... than I can not trust your opinions.

You do not trust people with more resources than you? With that outlook you may find improving your situation difficult. 

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11 minutes ago, Sventex said:

Just pointing out an Asashio's deep water torps will pass under an Alaska class ship with

Displacement:
  • Standard: 29,779 long tons (30,257 t)
Length: 808 ft 6 in (246.4 m)
Beam: 91 ft 1 in (27.8 m)
Draft: 31 ft 10 in (9.7 m)



But it will hit a Dunkerque class despite being smaller, weighting less and having less draft.

Displacement:
  • 26,500 t (26,100 long tons) (standard)
Length: 214.5 m (704 ft)
Beam: 31.08 m (102.0 ft)
Draft: 8.7 m (29 ft)

 

Dunkerque can deal with torpedo hits better, though. 27% reduction vs 13%..

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Just now, paradat said:

You do not trust people with more resources than you? With that outlook you may find improving your situation difficult. 

It is not about resources ... you didn't understand ...

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Based on my past 2 months of Tier 8-10 play, I still predominantly see 4 to 5 battleships per side, plenty of targets for one Asashio. Less than 4 battleships is an anomaly.

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1 minute ago, ramp4ge said:

 

Dunkerque can deal with the torpedo hits better, though. 27% reduction vs 13%..

Asashio torpedos physically can't hit Alaska, she has the best torpedo protection in this regard.

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2 minutes ago, Rednecks_Slayer said:

It is not about resources ... you didn't understand ...

Ah Ok so I have less wisdom in your eyes? Maybe? 

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Just now, Sventex said:

Asashio torpedos physically can't hit Alaska, she has the best torpedo protection in this regard.

 

I'm aware. I'm saying if they could hit Alaska, they'd do a lot more damage to Alaska than to Dunkerque despite Dunkerque being 3 tiers lower. 

 

If the ship's going to be defended against torpedoes like a cruiser it should be treated like a cruiser as far as torpedoes are concerned.

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3 minutes ago, Compassghost said:

Based on my past 2 months of Tier 8-10 play, I still predominantly see 4 to 5 battleships per side, plenty of targets for one Asashio. Less than 4 battleships is an anomaly.

Also the Asashio get to hit the CV as well. 

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21 minutes ago, SkaerKrow said:

I think that’s a horrible idea. 

Sleepy face it all you want, it doesn’t make a stupid idea any better. 

Please elaborate why.

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4 minutes ago, Rednecks_Slayer said:

It is not about resources ... you didn't understand ...

There are ways of ending up with both ships without intending to.  You could even own both without intentionally purchasing either one.

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6 minutes ago, ramp4ge said:

 

Which supercruiser is anywhere near as well-armored as a battleship at the same tier?

It's not only about armor and not only about the same tier. It is also about HP, HP damage etc. BBs at tier 7 have about 50000 HP, battlecruisers at tier 9 and 10 have about 60-70000 HP. Why an Asashio should be able to fight a tier 7 BB, but it is useless against a tier 9 and 10 battle-cruiser?

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