14,286 [ARGSY] Ensign_Cthulhu Members 22,447 posts 16,309 battles Report post #1 Posted December 16, 2020 Ouch! So as a rough guide, call it 3 million for a 21 pointer from scratch. The silver lining is that Atlanta is going to get a 20% range buff baked in as soon as the AFT skill goes away. (Flint isn't as yet, probably because she has smoke to hide in; Smolensk likewise. Reading between the lines, Colbert sounds like she's going to be made more nimble as compensation. ) https://blog.worldofwarships.com/blog/107 Devblog forum post to discuss it in: https://forum.worldofwarships.com/topic/231251-update-of-commander-skills-questions-and-answers/ 4 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4,046 [WOLFG] DrHolmes52 Members 11,196 posts 10,452 battles Report post #2 Posted December 16, 2020 Yeah, well I don't own an Atlanta. 3 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
14,286 [ARGSY] Ensign_Cthulhu Members 22,447 posts 16,309 battles Report post #3 Posted December 16, 2020 Just now, DrHolmes52 said: Yeah, well I don't own an Atlanta. Fair enough, but there are enough people who do that the removal of the AFT skill has been one of the major discussion points around here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
485 [WOLFG] Colonel_Potter Members 662 posts 14,131 battles Report post #4 Posted December 16, 2020 1.2 million to go from 19 to 21 is quite disheartening. 11 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,757 [KWF] warheart1992 Members 5,267 posts 6,659 battles Report post #5 Posted December 16, 2020 It's as if Lesta's balancing department wants to sap my will to return to the game during the holidays with the Ranked rework and the skill changes. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,068 [PHD] WarStore Members 1,166 posts 6,083 battles Report post #6 Posted December 16, 2020 (edited) Good lord. People were being far too conservative with the 700k XP. I hope everyone has like 20 million XP saved to even begin testing their builds properly. The money grab is on Edited December 16, 2020 by WarStore 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
666 [CO-OP] Efros Members 1,858 posts 26,702 battles Report post #7 Posted December 16, 2020 Complete and utter twunderfuntlage, estimated 750k was bad enough 1.2 million is just Krackinfilling without lube! 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4,046 [WOLFG] DrHolmes52 Members 11,196 posts 10,452 battles Report post #8 Posted December 16, 2020 6 minutes ago, WarStore said: Good lord. People were being far too conservative with the 700k XP. I hope everyone has like 20 million XP saved to being testing their builds properly. The money grab is on Well, I had only 3 captains. I was hoping for 1 mil per. I need to stop underestimating WG. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
33,756 [HINON] Lert Alpha Tester 24,794 posts 20,305 battles Report post #9 Posted December 16, 2020 1 4 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
14,286 [ARGSY] Ensign_Cthulhu Members 22,447 posts 16,309 battles Report post #10 Posted December 16, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Efros said: estimated 750k was bad enough 1.2 million is just Krackinfilling without lube! Just last night, I was congratulating myself on how close to that 750k I was. 16 minutes ago, WarStore said: I hope everyone has like 20 million XP saved to being testing their builds properly. They're making skill changes and module demounts free, and massively decreasing the cost of captain reassignment, for the whole of 0.10.0. Go read the blog article. 31 minutes ago, Colonel_Potter said: 1.2 million to go from 19 to 21 is quite disheartening. It is, but the versatility of all captains is going to increase fourfold and any captain in any type will be able to retrain in a premium of any type in that nation. Anyone with premium ships is going to benefit, and the list of even mid tier coal ships just got bigger. It currently includes EU, UK, US, RU, France and Pan-Asia, and when you move up to the high tiers, Germany and Japan are also represented. Then there's Shinonome in one of the permanent campaigns if you prefer the mid tiers for Japan or don't want to pay coal for it. The only nation with a tech tree that currently doesn't have a resource ship/free in-game premium at all is Italy, and I wouldn't be surprised to see that change in 2021. Edited December 16, 2020 by Ensign_Cthulhu 2 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
9,752 [CMFRT] KilljoyCutter [CMFRT] Banned 16,985 posts Report post #11 Posted December 16, 2020 As I said in the dev thread: And then we get to the broadest screwjob in this change, the ludicrous and out-of-scale captain XP cost to go from 19 to 21 points on a commander. Even when a build can be recreated in the new system, it's often going to cost 1 or 2 more captain points, making those 2 "extra" points each captain can eventually get a net wash or even net loss for many builds -- that is, despite what your FAQ claims, a 19 point commander under the new system WILL NOT be as effective as a 19 point captain under the old system. Even if we buy this line the game is "about progression", there's no progression here, just a transparent effort to extend the grind and make the players put more time or money into get the same, or even less, out of the game. One point two million captain XP to go from 19 to 21... not just the 750k that was projected based on the current exponential curve, but 1.2 million.... Please don't insult us by claiming this is about making the game better or improving the player experience. 15 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
786 [TOG] Bill_Halsey Members 4,213 posts 25,146 battles Report post #12 Posted December 16, 2020 34 minutes ago, Ensign_Cthulhu said: The silver lining is that Atlanta is going to get a 20% range buff baked in as soon as the AFT skill goes away. (Flint isn't as yet, probably because she has smoke to hide in; Smolensk likewise. Reading between the lines, Colbert sounds like she's going to be made more nimble as compensation. ) The issue with the Flint is that 11.3 km range w/o AFT is going to be a problem given how often T7 ships gets matched into T9 fights nowadays. Smoke does not help when you encounter 12 km radar cruisers. I'm not a fan of the 16.3 km play style for the Smolensk. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
666 [CO-OP] Efros Members 1,858 posts 26,702 battles Report post #13 Posted December 16, 2020 Okay I've been stocking up on pitchforks for a while... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,865 [PVE] Asym_KS Members 4,837 posts 21,231 battles Report post #14 Posted December 16, 2020 27 minutes ago, Ensign_Cthulhu said: Fair enough, but there are enough people who do that the removal of the AFT skill has been one of the major discussion points around here. I own both and use both. 1.2 is a nightmare. As I have said before, they want to change the economy and bankrupt established players........ It's take it or leave it time boys and girls.... I for one, will retire the game. Just like two others that have followed this mature game de evolution to make more money for less effort. So sad. It was a good game. Bottom Line: We fight back by leaving their games and dis-recommending them. What else is there>? All of the "value" invested will sit there for as long as it takes for the game to fold or change..... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
9,752 [CMFRT] KilljoyCutter [CMFRT] Banned 16,985 posts Report post #15 Posted December 16, 2020 Losing the range boost and ROF boost on Smolensk, Flint, Krasny Krym, etc makes them into port queens. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
14,286 [ARGSY] Ensign_Cthulhu Members 22,447 posts 16,309 battles Report post #16 Posted December 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, KilljoyCutter said: Please don't insult us by claiming this is about making the game better or improving the player experience. I would much prefer that things had stayed as they are - I had plans for 2021, and many of them have been upset. However, now that it's upon us, I'm going to take a long hard look at this thing for every advantage and every benefit I can milk out of it. Being able to make even a trickle of ECXP even when I'm not playing my highest-rank captains is first on that list. Some of them I prefer to leave where they are; their place is not necessarily on the foremost ships in my grinds. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
70 [COOP2] Ironshroud Members 359 posts 9,241 battles Report post #17 Posted December 16, 2020 Getting a captain to 21 points, probably not going to happen for me. Well, scratch that off the bucket list I guess Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,258 [7AES] Wye_So_Serious Members 2,164 posts 33,485 battles Report post #18 Posted December 16, 2020 The Flint decision is a head scratcher, smoke or not. Akin to buffing the Pensacola bow armor and nothing for Indianapolis. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
766 [--V--] SeaborneSumo Members 1,466 posts 13,793 battles Report post #19 Posted December 16, 2020 1.2 million --- wow. Couple that with the absolute @#% nuke on BB Secondaries,,,,,, yea,,,, may be the death knell for me. WG insists on ruining the aspects of this game which are enjoyable. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
9,752 [CMFRT] KilljoyCutter [CMFRT] Banned 16,985 posts Report post #20 Posted December 16, 2020 7 minutes ago, Ensign_Cthulhu said: I would much prefer that things had stayed as they are - I had plans for 2021, and many of them have been upset. However, now that it's upon us, I'm going to take a long hard look at this thing for every advantage and every benefit I can milk out of it. Being able to make even a trickle of ECXP even when I'm not playing my highest-rank captains is first on that list. Some of them I prefer to leave where they are; their place is not necessarily on the foremost ships in my grinds. The advantages here are so small and fleeting that they cannot offset the negatives. At some point, looking for the bright side amounts to "well, I've lost one of my hands, now I only need to wash the other one!". 1 2 8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
419 [CDOH] Rothgar_57 Members 650 posts 7,679 battles Report post #21 Posted December 16, 2020 When this crapstorm comes. I will just reset all my commanders. I will continue my break from the game which i do a couple times a year. Hopefully this will all level itself by then. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
14,286 [ARGSY] Ensign_Cthulhu Members 22,447 posts 16,309 battles Report post #22 Posted December 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, Wye_So_Serious said: The Flint decision is a head scratcher, smoke or not. They did say they were going to keep an eye on it and make changes if they felt it necessary, so I don't think that door is closed yet. I've been running mine since I got it with my US 19 pointer, who has none of the typical Flint-enhancing skills at all (i.e. no BFT, AFT, DE or IFHE) specifically to get used to the way things are going to be, but then again I openly got her for bot killing and I'm happy with the performance there. She does the job I got her to do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,976 [O_O] Khafni [O_O] Members 5,174 posts 22,715 battles Report post #23 Posted December 16, 2020 59 minutes ago, Colonel_Potter said: 1.2 million to go from 19 to 21 is quite disheartening. Doesn't "fit" in any progression but it gives a target. Still SUX! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,464 [YORHA] JCC45 Members 5,203 posts 10,368 battles Report post #24 Posted December 16, 2020 (edited) So can I get by with only 7 21 point commanders? Probably, but it means that a lot of ships I have will never get played and a lot less time spent in game. Well done WG. If your mission was to limit the amount of play time in your game... And well all know how well that worked out. Edited December 16, 2020 by JCC45 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
24 [G-4W] gebert906 Members 161 posts 6,468 battles Report post #25 Posted December 16, 2020 Ugh, 1.2m each? I only have two 19s but I’ve been grinding them each for EXP for a good bit to prepare for this, but only have 1.25m EXP total as of now. I was hoping I was at least somewhat approaching 50% needed for my second 19 but it turns out I’m only like 5% there. Damn. Maybe I’ll retrain my Montana 19 for Kansas and grind to Vermont or something, then put him back on Montana when I’m done. At least I’m kind of killing two birds with one stone without having to respec and not just grinding one ship over and over and over. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites