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Is there any way to Play the Khabarovsk that makes it relevant?

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I thought I would take the Khab out of retirement and finish off the Unique Upgrade mission before the mission is removed at the end of the year, just in case WG decides to make the UUs useful again at some point. Boy was I in for a shock. Khab used to be my favorite ship, but after the HE damage nerf, and the detection nerf, and the torp range nerf, and the rudder shift nerf, and the gun range nerf, and the BB AP nerf (all other DDs but Khab and Haragumo don't take full pen damage from BB AP,  I believe WG has said there are changes to this in the works. ) and the IFHE nerf, I am at a complete loss on how to play her. 

13km range is way to close given the railguns on russian ships and how slow Khab turns, even when running double rudder shift. Thunderer can absolutely destroy you from 20km+. You don't even want to know what a salvo of SAP does, it's disgusting. The torps are unuseable, given their 6km range vs Khabs 9.7 detection range. CVs utterly destroy you, with a 4.0 air detectability and negligible AA. And don't even get me started on rockets. With the nerfed rudder shift, and the size of the ship, Khaba pretty much eats EVERY rocket fired at it. It seems like every CV just hovers over you until their team eliminates you, which doesn't take long at all. With the Euro destroyers sending out 90 knot torpedo spreads with 15km range, Khab has zero chance of dodging them. No hydro to help with torps, no Def AA (for however useful that is these days).

I'm out spotted by EVERY destroyer, and even one cruiser (Minotaur), with radar everywhere. There is literally less than a 2km difference between my max gun range, and the soviet radar range. I have to use the heal for any chance to survive the first encounter, so no smoke to hide in. 

I've tried several builds, and several captain respecs, but I just can't find a combination that makes this ship even useful, never mind relevant. Literally everything that Khab can do, however poorly, other ships now do MUCH better. 

But, leaving the "other ships do it better" argument aside, can any of you fellow captains suggest a combination of upgrades/captain skills that could make this ship at least useable enough to finish off the UU mission?

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yes get a time machine and go back to a patch before it was nerfed into the ground.

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Good news is that the AP penetration rule for both Harugumo and Khaba is scheduled to change.

As for the ship, I've heard double rudder with Unique Upgrade and AFT works; personally I haven't even bother with Khaba. Tashkent offers almost the same, at a tier lower and with even some advantages over Khaba.

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I keep reading about how bad Khab is but according to maplesyrup, last week of data for NA  , week ending Dec 12, 2020 - 

  • Halland  -  50.66%  , 1735 X ,  49575 D
  • Shima -  49% , 1465 X ,  43746 D
  • Kleber - 52.1% , 1710 X ,  52304 D
  • Gearing - 47.99% , 1455 X , 38813 D
  • Yueyang - 49.04% , 1680 X , 46485 D
  • Daring -  53.01% , 1709 X ,  46881 D
  • Grozovoi - 50.52% , 1629 X , 43669 D
  • Z-52 - 48.88% , 1592 X , 37490 D
  • Khabarovsk - 54.20% , 1874 X ,  64571 D

It's currently besting all tech tree DDs in the most common metrics, at least on the NA server (I suspect it might be more middle of the pack in CIS because of more players, but I haven't looked).

Certainly these stats aren't all, because if you look at Black ships, identical ships perform differently depending on who plays them.

However, I think maybe people are comparing it to old broken Khab and not judging it fairly. 

 

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56 minutes ago, warheart1992 said:

Good news is that the AP penetration rule for both Harugumo and Khaba is scheduled to change..

This was part of  0.9.11. 

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Soviet Tier X destroyer Khabarovsk, and Japanese Tier X destroyer Harugumo

  • Loss of HP after being hit by an AP or SAP shell with a caliber of 280 mm and above will now not exceed 10% of the maximum damage that such a shell can cause.

 

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I never liked the Khab, preferring the Tashkent. Then it got nerfed & I havnt played it since. 

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4 hours ago, why_u_heff_to_be_mad said:

I keep reading about how bad Khab is but according to maplesyrup, last week of data for NA  , week ending Dec 12, 2020 - 

  • Halland  -  50.66%  , 1735 X ,  49575 D
  • Shima -  49% , 1465 X ,  43746 D
  • Kleber - 52.1% , 1710 X ,  52304 D
  • Gearing - 47.99% , 1455 X , 38813 D
  • Yueyang - 49.04% , 1680 X , 46485 D
  • Daring -  53.01% , 1709 X ,  46881 D
  • Grozovoi - 50.52% , 1629 X , 43669 D
  • Z-52 - 48.88% , 1592 X , 37490 D
  • Khabarovsk - 54.20% , 1874 X ,  64571 D

It's currently besting all tech tree DDs in the most common metrics, at least on the NA server (I suspect it might be more middle of the pack in CIS because of more players, but I haven't looked).

Certainly these stats aren't all, because if you look at Black ships, identical ships perform differently depending on who plays them.

However, I think maybe people are comparing it to old broken Khab and not judging it fairly. 

 

On how many players - games?  
If I'm reading the table right .. Quarterly for Q3 it looks like just over 3000 players, 20,000 games with a much less impressive 50.6% WR on NA.  There's a pretty sharp divide in DD activity and it's squarely in the not-played bracket.  That 54% might just be an anomaly.

players - games for Q3 NA server

Khabarovsk (50.7% WR)

3176 23890

Grozovoi (50.5% WR)

3996 35098

YueYang (50.0% WR)

3089 30174

 

and then there's the big boys

Shima (49.1% WR)

15573 326200

Halland (51.1% WR)

8201 253498

 

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Far and away the best run-and-gun DD at T10 is the Kleber. IMHO there is no point playing a Khab in that style anymore. Therefore my recommendation would be to run Smoke Khab -- use the mobility to get into advantageous positions and farm from smoke. 

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Why would anyone play a Kahb when a Grozovoi + UU can be played in the similar fashion while it has Heal + Smoke, usable torpedoes and better AA for, what little it's worth.

Then again there is a "French Alternative" in a form of Kleber / Marcau.

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