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Not gonna get Somers, just wanna make sure I'm not missing something

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I know that before CVs found their way into CB, Somers was quite popular. I like playing DDs and have been on-and-off looking at Somers. I'll have enough steel for her when the next round of coupons come up in a few weeks, but I was planning to get Borgogne. The only reason I would get Somers is if she's never coming back. Thing is, with the current CV meta, I'm not sure somers is sufficiently superior to gearing (or halland) as a torpboat. Heck, halland is probably better. 

Just want to get some feedback from more experienced players who maybe have Somers. Am I making a mistake by not picking her up? Again, I'm more excited about getting borgogne and would only get Somers if she was better than I thought and going away forever.

 

Thx for replies. 

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When I play high tier DD I hate seeing Somers. I don’t understand it as on paper I feel she looks decent but not OP. Maybe it’s the people that get them are very capable. I’m tempted to grab her just based of what others do.

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I did good with the Somers in ranked battles last year.  Turn your AA off (should always turn off the single digit AA rating Somer's AA), and the CV will have a very hard time finding you, and even if the CV does spot you, you can always smoke up.  It is a stealth torp boat, with guns that will punish other DDs (not own them).  She is definitely worth the steel.

Though, I do enjoy the playing the IJN Hayate a little more and she is not secured behind a steel curtain.  The Hayate has much shorter ranged torps (12km vs 16.5km) that hit like a brick, has faster firing guns with better HE damage, and they Hayate has an AA rating of 50 vs the Somer's 6.  Though don't rely on AA to keep you safe from CVs.  The Somers does have a better concealment by .3 km.  The Hayate would be slightly better in clan battles with a 3500hp advantage over the Somers.

Even though I favor the Hayate, you still won't be disappointed with the Somers.  Do what I did and get both.  I got the Somers after I got the Stalingrad, and it takes me about a year to accumulate enough steel for a ship.  Next will be the FDR (over the Shikishima).

The Bourgogne has been available for steel the longest after the Flint and Black, and will probably be available by other means in the near future.

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Sommers is a Shimakaze slightly better in clan battle thanks to the better smoke and longer range torps, but worst in Random due to the lack of speed.

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22 minutes ago, Y_Nagato said:

Sommers is a Shimakaze slightly better in clan battle thanks to the better smoke and longer range torps, but worst in Random due to the lack of speed.

Shimakaze has 20km torps that do greater damage.  Shimmy has 15 vs the 12 on the Somers.  The advantage the Somers has over the Shimakaze is that the Somers has a torpedo reload time that about 1/2 that of the Shimakaze.  Somers is not slow at 40.5 knots (with speed flag)

 

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I decided to pass on Somers...for steel.  I may be wrong but I think she will eventually come back for coal or another resource besides steel.  I don't think Somers is one of those ships being taken away for popularity or for being OP.  I think WG is making way for another steel DD to take it's place.

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32 minutes ago, db4100 said:

Shimakaze has 20km torps that do greater damage.  Shimmy has 15 vs the 12 on the Somers.  The advantage the Somers has over the Shimakaze is that the Somers has a torpedo reload time that about 1/2 that of the Shimakaze.  Somers is not slow at 40.5 knots (with speed flag)

 

20 km torps are not usable really due to their detection. You end up using more the 12km ones.

the reload time of the Shima is only 20 sec longer (150 vs 130)

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Unless I'm missing something, the Somers goes away with the next patch.

I need the Steel from the next patch to finally get enough to get her.

Thanks for another kick in the teeth, WG!

I was, indeed, missing something.  A little detail in the blog.  Somers is going away with patch 0.10.2.

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16 minutes ago, YeOldeTraveller said:

Unless I'm missing something, the Somers goes away with the next patch.

I need the Steel from the next patch to finally get enough to get her.

Thanks for another kick in the teeth, WG!

They said Somers is still gonna be around for around 3 months in that dev blog...only the tree ship changes are for the next patch.

Well...the test ships too...but they are only available for those testing them for now.

They're just announcing Somers inevitable removal this early to give people a long enough heads up to farm the steel to get it before it goes.

Summary: Just the official announcement that Somers is going away is coming in 9.12.

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I'd like to get Somers for the historical value (I already have Omaha), but I won't get the steel in time. Hopefully she'll come back for coal.

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28 minutes ago, Y_Nagato said:

20 km torps are not usable really due to their detection. You end up using more the 12km ones.

the reload time of the Shima is only 20 sec longer (150 vs 130)

Perhaps, but you'd be surprised on how many torps you it on auxiliary targets that you weren't aiming for in the first place.  I used to always run 12km torps in randoms, but have found a lot more fun and (arguable) success with the 20kms in randoms.  I strictly used 12km in competitive.

1 hour ago, db4100 said:

Shimakaze has 20km torps that do greater damage.  Shimmy has 15 vs the 12 on the Somers.  The advantage the Somers has over the Shimakaze is that the Somers has a torpedo reload time that about 1/2 that of the Shimakaze.  Somers is not slow at 40.5 knots (with speed flag)

Legendary mod will help bridge this gap to an arguable perspective.  Plus, Shimakaze has the concealment edge for those who know how to scout properly.

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I wish WG would give us a bit more information than "It might return later idk lol". Pretty lazy, or deliberate?

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47 minutes ago, Torenico said:

I wish WG would give us a bit more information than "It might return later idk lol". Pretty lazy, or deliberate?

Probably deliberate. Got to increase those FOMO purchases as much as possible.

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2 hours ago, ClassicLib said:

I think WG is making way for another steel DD to take it's place.

WG said in the Devblog that Somers is being replaced with Austin.

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Somers is a good DD but not great. Her torps are her bread and butter so I maxed out any/all upgrades to make them as good as possible. Her guns seem slow to me, probably because I went the torp route. She has no AA so your only choice is to pop smoke. Once spotted you’re like any other DD, a target. 

I love DD play so I try to get any/all DDs that become available, even the Z44... I don’t regret any of them but some of them make me shake my head wondering what WGing was thinking releasing them “as is.”

Good luck with your choice. 
 

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Given the choice between the Somers or the Stalingrad is it always the Stalingrad?  
 

I have the Puerto Rico if that makes a difference. 

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1 hour ago, SirPent13 said:

WG said in the Devblog that Somers is being replaced with Austin.

Thanks.  I didn't see that.

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Somers is the only DD I actually want - NavyFIELD nostalgia - and as a 100% solo player I know I'll never get it.

 

It makes me sad. 

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6 hours ago, Y_Nagato said:

20 km torps are not usable really due to their detection. You end up using more the 12km ones.

the reload time of the Shima is only 20 sec longer (150 vs 130)

Yeah, you correct about the reload times.  It just seems to take forever to reload.  The Shimakaze has the better torpedoes at almost 24k damage for the 12km ranged ones.  That is a lot of bang.  Hayate uses the same 12km torpedoes and has faster firing guns like the Harugumo.  The Somers has 2 more guns than the Shimmy and Hayate, but the HE rounds don't hit as hard.  Somers in just another flavor of the stealth torpedo destroyer types, and itf anything it is good for dropping in one of the numerous legendary captains that the USN has.  IJN at the moment only has Yamamoto that gives any capt skill bonuses.  

Somers is still worth paying the steel for......

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I have the Somers.

I am a DD main.

Its not a bad ship, but In almost every situation I'd rather take out my Gearing than the Somers.

Its a one-trick torp boat, and for that role, there is always the Shima.

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7 hours ago, db4100 said:

The Shimakaze has the better torpedoes at almost 24k damage for the 12km ranged ones.

Here it is debatable.

Yes they hit harder with a 7k advantage. But the difference between 12km and 16km is massive in Clan Battle. With the number of 12km radar, Shima struggle to do her torps runs without getting pierced while Somers can stay outside of the radar range. And Somers torpedo offer less reaction time than Shima's, with only 8.2 sec to react instead of 9.8 sec. Shima will be better for random since there is lot less 12 km radar and, more often, potato player.

7 hours ago, db4100 said:

The Somers has 2 more guns than the Shimmy and Hayate, but the HE rounds don't hit as hard.

Somers raw HE DPM is higher than Shima, less than Hayate. But neither Shima or Somers are gun boat.

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14 hours ago, Jcubx said:

Given the choice between the Somers or the Stalingrad is it always the Stalingrad?  
 

I have the Puerto Rico if that makes a difference. 

YOU want the Stalin.

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17 hours ago, Y_Nagato said:

20 km torps are not usable really due to their detection. You end up using more the 12km ones.

the reload time of the Shima is only 20 sec longer (150 vs 130)

This ^^^ the 20k torps are not good. The 12 k torps are very good.

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