18 [CO-OP] sh1ndl3rs_f1st [CO-OP] Members 27 posts 17,981 battles Report post #1 Posted December 8, 2020 Tier V DD Kamikaze Black Tier IX DD Benham Black Tier IV BB Imperator Nikolai I Black Tier VIII CV Enterprise Black Tier X CA Smolensk Black 1 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
535 [CAZA] Torenico Beta Testers, In AlfaTesters 583 posts 8,096 battles Report post #2 Posted December 8, 2020 Nothing's stopping them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
9,133 [GWG] BrushWolf [GWG] Alpha Tester 28,665 posts 15,081 battles Report post #3 Posted December 8, 2020 The Kamikaze and the Imperator Nikolai I are both out for doing too well aka over powered. The rest are out for other less permanent reasons and can return. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
51 [WOLF2] NightTerror Members 165 posts Report post #4 Posted December 8, 2020 I'd pay through the nose and then some for a Kamikaze Black..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
232 BayraktarDeath Members 559 posts 12,361 battles Report post #5 Posted December 8, 2020 What's the hype for the enterprise? I got it in a santa crate and it's not fun. Disclaimer I'm not a cv main or enthusiast. I enjoy my ark royal sometimes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,877 [S0L0] iRA6E Alpha Tester, In AlfaTesters 5,432 posts 9,030 battles Report post #6 Posted December 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, Darmokattenagra said: What's the hype for the enterprise? I got it in a santa crate and it's not fun. Disclaimer I'm not a cv main or enthusiast. I enjoy my ark royal sometimes. IMO Enterprise is not the same ship since the global AP bomb nerf & reticle "improvement" GLOBALS A$$!! Still it's probably still best at its tier.. Now it at least isn't nearly best at T10 also? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
232 BayraktarDeath Members 559 posts 12,361 battles Report post #7 Posted December 8, 2020 1 minute ago, iRA6E said: IMO Enterprise is not the same ship since the global AP bomb nerf & reticle "improvement" GLOBALS A$$!! Still it's probably still best at its tier.. Now it at least isn't nearly best at T10 also? Yeah I mean I can see where it could be good but the recticles are wonky and torps go every which way even if you hold and wait. I'm sure it's great in ranked, I myself have suffered against it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
105 wooserloop ∞ Members 416 posts 5,635 battles Report post #8 Posted December 8, 2020 They should just make a black permanent camo. One for each ship class. Possibly for each appropriate tier if they want to rake in more money Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
279 [DRY] ProfessorLumpy Members 312 posts 10,224 battles Report post #9 Posted December 8, 2020 14 minutes ago, Darmokattenagra said: What's the hype for the enterprise? I got it in a santa crate and it's not fun. Disclaimer I'm not a cv main or enthusiast. I enjoy my ark royal sometimes. For historical value, it's arguably the single ship that contributed the most to the allied victory. In game it's been pulled from sale for over performance, so it's desired. It's probably not really drastically overpowered since so bombs were nerfed a few patches ago, but it's still probably the strongest CV at tier 8.. a tier packed with strong CVs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,967 [TSG4] ObiphanKenobi Volunteer Moderator, Privateers 3,757 posts 20,045 battles Report post #10 Posted December 8, 2020 Kitakami BLACK <-- ALL HELL BROKE LOOSE 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,797 RainbowFartingUnicorn Members 5,055 posts 14,302 battles Report post #11 Posted December 8, 2020 Well yes, but the priority is still to get a Black Black. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,929 [BASIN] shadowsrmine [BASIN] Members 4,432 posts 18,033 battles Report post #12 Posted December 8, 2020 (edited) 56 minutes ago, sh1ndl3rs_f1st said: Tier V DD Kamikaze Black Tier IX DD Benham Black Tier IV BB Imperator Nikolai I Black Tier VIII CV Enterprise Black Tier X CA Smolensk Black Edited December 8, 2020 by shadowsrmine 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,929 [BASIN] shadowsrmine [BASIN] Members 4,432 posts 18,033 battles Report post #13 Posted December 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, RainbowFartingUnicorn said: Well yes, but the priority is still to get a Black Black. Ayup! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,733 [SALTY] Ace_04 Members 8,535 posts 16,555 battles Report post #14 Posted December 9, 2020 1 hour ago, BrushWolf said: The Kamikaze and the Imperator Nikolai I are both out for doing too well aka over powered. The rest are out for other less permanent reasons and can return. Nikolai has arguably been nerfed pretty hard with the CV rework and the prevalence of CVs at T4..... 1 hour ago, Torenico said: Nothing's stopping them. Anyone has jam behind a keyboard, right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,634 [REVY] Sventex Members 8,630 posts 6,118 battles Report post #15 Posted December 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, Ace_04 said: Nikolai has arguably been nerfed pretty hard with the CV rework and the prevalence of CVs at T4..... Kamikaze too. I just can't stand having to deal with 2 CVs in my Kamikaze R. I can't get much of anything done, it's just an entire round of getting harassed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
9,133 [GWG] BrushWolf [GWG] Alpha Tester 28,665 posts 15,081 battles Report post #16 Posted December 9, 2020 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Ace_04 said: Nikolai has arguably been nerfed pretty hard with the CV rework and the prevalence of CVs at T4..... 25 minutes ago, Sventex said: Kamikaze too. I just can't stand having to deal with 2 CVs in my Kamikaze R. I can't get much of anything done, it's just an entire round of getting harassed. That is an entirely different problem, they are still over powered in non-CV matches and the only answer I see that will work for the most people is to give every tier 3 or higher ship with limited AA without consumables an AA refit which is most ships in 3 & 4 and some in tier 5 and a small buff to the ones that do have good AA to avoid power creep. Edited December 9, 2020 by BrushWolf Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,634 [REVY] Sventex Members 8,630 posts 6,118 battles Report post #17 Posted December 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, BrushWolf said: That is an entirely different problem, they are still over powered in non-CV matches and the only answer I see that will work for the most people is to give every tier 3 or higher ship with limited AA without consumables an AA refit which is most ships in 3 & 4 and some in tier 5 and a small buff to the ones that do have good AA to avoid power creep. I'm not even sure the Kamikaze is overpowered in non-CV matches. It's greatest strength was that it can fire torpedoes every 30 to 40 seconds and catch a BB that was on damage control cooldown. Now that flooding isn't lethal and flooding damage is entirely repairable, it's no longer the remarkable ship it used to be. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
9,133 [GWG] BrushWolf [GWG] Alpha Tester 28,665 posts 15,081 battles Report post #18 Posted December 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, Sventex said: I'm not even sure the Kamikaze is overpowered in non-CV matches. It's greatest strength was that it can fire torpedoes every 30 to 40 seconds and catch a BB that was on damage control cooldown. Now that flooding isn't lethal and flooding damage is entirely repairable, it's no longer the remarkable ship it used to be. Being over powered comes from being able to stay undetected which is fairly easy in non-CV matches. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,634 [REVY] Sventex Members 8,630 posts 6,118 battles Report post #19 Posted December 9, 2020 Just now, BrushWolf said: Being over powered comes from being able to stay undetected which is fairly easy in non-CV matches. It's taking the caps that win the game. If you can't remove ships off the cap then the Kamikaze R isn't going to be able to do much. Sneaking behind the enemy team for spotting isn't going to do much, guns at tier 5 are too inaccurate for long range fire. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
9,133 [GWG] BrushWolf [GWG] Alpha Tester 28,665 posts 15,081 battles Report post #20 Posted December 9, 2020 5 minutes ago, Sventex said: It's taking the caps that win the game. If you can't remove ships off the cap then the Kamikaze R isn't going to be able to do much. Sneaking behind the enemy team for spotting isn't going to do much, guns at tier 5 are too inaccurate for long range fire. I do alright with 1km of cushion. Yeah more is nice but it is enough to dip into torpedo range, fire, and retire. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,634 [REVY] Sventex Members 8,630 posts 6,118 battles Report post #21 Posted December 9, 2020 1 minute ago, BrushWolf said: I do alright with 1km of cushion. Yeah more is nice but it is enough to dip into torpedo range, fire, and retire. But like I said, with the old flooding mechanic, the torpedos runs are underwhelming. You score maybe 1 hit and than miss another, than miss another, than score maybe 1 hit, than miss another and before you know if your team has disappeared beneath the waves. The Swedish DD at tier 5 has more torp range, more cushion and a unique narrow torpedo spread. And a heal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
9,133 [GWG] BrushWolf [GWG] Alpha Tester 28,665 posts 15,081 battles Report post #22 Posted December 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Sventex said: But like I said, with the old flooding mechanic, the torpedos runs are underwhelming. You score maybe 1 hit and than miss another, than miss another, than score maybe 1 hit, than miss another and before you know if your team has disappeared beneath the waves. The Swedish DD at tier 5 has more torp range, more cushion and a unique narrow torpedo spread. And a heal. Yeah flooding is not a reliable way to cause damage now but WoWS stats & numbers still shows a WR above 56% and Maple Syrup has it at 60% for the last week so someone is doing really well with it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,634 [REVY] Sventex Members 8,630 posts 6,118 battles Report post #23 Posted December 9, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, BrushWolf said: Yeah flooding is not a reliable way to cause damage now but WoWS stats & numbers still shows a WR above 56% and Maple Syrup has it at 60% for the last week so someone is doing really well with it. I think that might be down to the users, since it's only old players that use the ship now. It's a time gated ship. The Kamikaze R is no gunboat, but most of my kills are achieved by just shooting other DDs with the ship because I know how to land my shots. Edited December 9, 2020 by Sventex Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
9,133 [GWG] BrushWolf [GWG] Alpha Tester 28,665 posts 15,081 battles Report post #24 Posted December 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Sventex said: I think that might be down to the users, since it's only old players that use the ship now. It's a time gated ship. The Kamikaze R is no gunboat, but most of my kills are achieved by just shooting other DDs with the ship because I know how to land my shots. I hate seeing torpedo DD players that refuse to use their guns. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4,557 [WOLF1] paradat Beta Testers 14,566 posts 20,862 battles Report post #25 Posted December 9, 2020 3 hours ago, sh1ndl3rs_f1st said: Tier V DD Kamikaze Black Tier IX DD Benham Black Tier IV BB Imperator Nikolai I Black Tier VIII CV Enterprise Black Tier X CA Smolensk Black Belfast B Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
