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Increased chance =/= guarantee. Just because it's more likely to roll a Makarov doesn't mean it's guaranteed to roll a Makarov.

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Which type of crates did you get? If you're using regular or Mega gifts then it's not on their small list. 

Santa's Mega Gifts:  Duca d'Aosta, Yūdachi, Vanguard or Ochakov

Santa's Big Gifts: Admiral Makarov, California or Orkan

With Big gifts then if you already had or won California or Orkan then you could just "roll those again" and get another ship instead.

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AFAIK you have a higher chance to get one of the boats from the short list then a regular ship. 

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So if last year was #puertoricogate, then is this year #santacrateriggedgate?

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I honestly don’t understand the outrage around the “short list.” Did anyone honestly believe that WG programmed the crate RNG to have an equal chance of awarding every premium ship? Of course there are going to be some that are more common than others. WG also never stated that there was an equal chance to draw any of the ships on the list.

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2 minutes ago, Nevermore135 said:

Of course there are going to be some that are more common than others.

Why?

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22 minutes ago, Sventex said:

Why?

To get people to spend more money on more containers to get the good stuff that they already sunk a bunch of money into trying to get. It’s quite standard for such containers to have lower percentages for the best stuff, almost every game company that has such loot boxes does it. Not saying WG is right to do it, the lack of details on the short list is quite questionable, and I would even say they should properly disclose exact odds, but what they are doing is quite standard and is to be expected in this industry. Generally you should only buy them if you would be at least content with the worst possible outcome, hoping for anything better is gambling.

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1 minute ago, Shadow_Woof said:

To get people to spend more money on more containers to get the good stuff that they already sunk a bunch of money into trying to get. It’s quite standard for such containers to have lower percentages for the best stuff, almost every game company that has such loot boxes does it. Not saying WG is right to do it, I would even say they should properly disclose exact odds, but what they are doing is quite standard and is to be expected in this industry. Generally you should only buy them if you would be at least content with the worst possible outcome, hoping for anything better is gambling.

Usually such systems are advertised as such.

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1 minute ago, Sventex said:

Why?

Because the less valuable/desirable outcomes always have longer odds. That’s Gambling 101. WG doesn’t want the game flooded with powerful unavailable premium ships, and it’s good business sense to weigh the odds toward less popular (so not to flood the MM) and less valuable/lower tier (to encourage people to spend for the higher tier content) ships.

Once again, WG never stated any ships had equal chances to drop. That’s an assumption many people made, and it’s a naive one. Now, don’t get me wrong, I find the whole practice of locking rare and (now) exclusive content behind an opaque gambling mechanic scummy, and I have never and don’t intend to buy any of these Santa crates. I empathize with those who drop a bunch of cash and don’t get what they want, but they knew (or should have known) what they were getting into when they decided to gamble with their money. Their outrage is unlikely to change things - their refusal to continue buying the crates just might, though.

3 minutes ago, VorTex_Eagle875 said:

https://forum.worldofwarships.eu/topic/144295-gulag-censorship-xd/

they are censoring the twitch Verizon stream and creating another sh!tshow

That’s a perfectly reasonable response from WG. They want their chat to be discussing the tournament and the battles currently underway, not to be used as dumping ground for everyone’s gripes about the game. It’s no different from any other channel moderating their chat for chat spam. If WG wanted to censor people we wouldn’t be seeing so many threads popping up (and staying up) regarding the Santa crates and the “short list.” These complaints should be brought up in the proper forum (no pun intended), and on other WoWs streams I have heard the host repeatedly encourage players with those kinds of concerns to post the feedback on the forum or file the appropriate tickets, because such feedback does not belong there, and is unlikely to be compiled and result in any real action.

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1 minute ago, Nevermore135 said:

Because the less valuable/desirable outcomes always have longer odds.

No they don't.  In FGO, the guaranteed SSR banners have no such system.  You have an equal chance of getting any SSR on the banner.

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1 hour ago, Ace_04 said:

So if last year was #puertoricogate, then is this year #santacrateriggedgate?

I'd call it #makarovgate since they are banning anyone using the word "Makarov" in the Verizon stream

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This image was originally posted by milet72 on reddit, here is the link: https://www.reddit.com/r/WorldOfWarships/comments/k79e0g/wg_just_updated_their_webpage_regarding_santas/

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4 minutes ago, Sventex said:

No they don't.  In FGO, the guaranteed SSR banners have no such system.  You have an equal chance of getting any SSR on the banner.

If that is indeed the case, then that’s very swell of them. Gambling doesn’t usually work that way, though. It’s incredibly naive for anyone to assume that WG has not stacked the odds in their favor. The content worth, say, $25, is going to have a higher drop rate than the $50 content. Now, you could argue that WG doesn’t “lose” anything with higher payouts because their wares are virtual goods, but they sort of do in the form of future sales. The house always wins.

I would understand the anger if WG claimed all the results had equal odds, but they didn’t. And once again, I am not condoning the practice, just pointing out that much of the blame for these unfortunate outcomes should be attributed to the individual who chose to gamble with their money.

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47 minutes ago, VorTex_Eagle875 said:

https://forum.worldofwarships.eu/topic/144295-gulag-censorship-xd/

they are censoring the twitch Verizon stream and creating another sh!tshow

Yeah. On Eu is already blowing. Just think about this from Verizon's perspective. Btw I got banned (1min 30s) for saying "pls no Cv jokes" 

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12 minutes ago, Nevermore135 said:

It’s incredibly naive for anyone to assume that WG has not stacked the odds in their favor.

I didn't assume anything.  I asked why they had to stack the odds in their favor.  Others don't.

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31 minutes ago, Sventex said:

I didn't assume anything.  I asked why they had to stack the odds in their favor.  Others don't.

 

44 minutes ago, Nevermore135 said:

If that is indeed the case, then that’s very swell of them. Gambling doesn’t usually work that way, though. It’s incredibly naive for anyone to assume that WG has not stacked the odds in their favor. The content worth, say, $25, is going to have a higher drop rate than the $50 content. Now, you could argue that WG doesn’t “lose” anything with higher payouts because their wares are virtual goods, but they sort of do in the form of future sales. The house always wins.

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I bought 3 sets of containers ( 1 set of each) 2 days ago and did not open them yet, IF it is a code glitch, Should I wait to open them in case they fix it ? I F it is not intentionel...

 

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1 minute ago, 3r22r said:

I bought 3 sets of containers ( 1 set of each) 2 days ago and did not open them yet, IF it is a code glitch, Should I wait to open them in case they fix it ? I F it is not intentionel...

 

It doesn’t matter when you open them. Container contents are determined when you receive the container.

Regardless, it’s highly unlikely anything will be “fixed,” so it’s probably a moot point anyways.

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1 minute ago, Nevermore135 said:

Gambling doesn’t usually work that way, though.

It does work that way.  Casinos aren't supposed to futz with the roulette wheel so that it lands on certain outcomes more often.

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1 hour ago, VorTex_Eagle875 said:

https://forum.worldofwarships.eu/topic/144295-gulag-censorship-xd/

they are censoring the twitch Verizon stream and creating another sh!tshow

Well of course he got banned. LOL "Said #MakarovLivesMatter #MLM #WGLies" in an e-sports live stream. Yeah earned it.

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3 minutes ago, Sventex said:

It does work that way.  Casinos aren't supposed to futz with the roulette wheel so that it lands on certain outcomes more often.

But they do futz with it. That is why there is 1 or 2 blank spaces.

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2 hours ago, VorTex_Eagle875 said:

I purchased many crates today and didn’t get a makarov until I had already received many others including flint and neustrashy. Maybe they corrected the algorithm?

Have to specify which crates.
They may have made a change, Verizon can’t be happy they started another crapshow right before their tournament.

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Just now, paradat said:

But they do futz with it. That is why there is 1 or 2 blank spaces.

There aren't any blank spaces on a roulette wheel, stop making things up.  (If your badly phrasing "zero" pockets, you can bet on zero for a payout of 36 to 1 , so they aren't "blank")

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