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Anyone tried Z-44 in PvE yet?

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I know it's only been few days since the latest patch dropped, but I have yet to see the latest shiny super-awesome(lol) German DD in Coop... so I decided to do it moiself, lel. :Smile_teethhappy::Smile_hiding:

In short... she's a yet-another-bot-consuming torpeduh bote~ yay~~ lul. :Smile_teethhappy:

Going O-NOM-NOM-NOM on juicy red bot BB's, especially if you go for double torpedo boosts (the Torpedo Tubes Modification 2 upgrade, plus the Torpedo Armament Expertise captain skill) for that lovely 65 seconds reload... mmmm. :cap_book:

I like the ship very much. My new favorite toy of the month... lal. :Smile_teethhappy:

Only issues I see are the HORRENDOUS gun arc (argh :Smile-angry:), and somewhat low torpedo damage. Not by a lot, compared to Z-46's torpedoes, but it does seem to fall a little short, in terms of total damage per salvo, for a quintuple set. Maybe it's just me... lol. :Smile_hiding:

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I was interested in getting her but Little White Mouse’s review put a stop to that quickly...

I have not seen one yet in battle so I think most folks are in agreement that she is just a “meh” ship overall. The loss of hydro really kills her IMO. 

Good luck with her in battle. Think I’ll hold out for something else. 

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I debated getting Z-44 since the 200% xp bonus could go a long way to stockpiling ECXP.

However, the lack of hydro really killed it for me. I have Z-52 and T-61 for German torpedo spam.

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3 hours ago, cgbosn4 said:

I was interested in getting her but Little White Mouse’s review put a stop to that quickly...

I have not seen one yet in battle so I think most folks are in agreement that she is just a “meh” ship overall. The loss of hydro really kills her IMO. 

Good luck with her in battle. Think I’ll hold out for something else. 

Ive seen one, and it promptly died early enough that it got less exp than our bot carrier >.>

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28 minutes ago, Princess_Daystar said:

it got less exp than our bot carrier >.>

Ooh, that's bad.

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2 hours ago, Princess_Daystar said:

Ive seen one, and it promptly died early enough that it got less exp than our bot carrier >.>

Yeah, but is that a problem with the ship or the driver?

10 hours ago, Blorgh2017 said:

Not by a lot, compared to Z-46's torpedoes, but it does seem to fall a little short, in terms of total damage per salvo, for a quintuple set.

My initial thought on her was that the major selling point in exchange for losing the hydro was in the torpedo range - at 12km she has the longest reach of any German DD, and can situationally torp Russian radar cruisers without getting picked up - and rate (two sets of five every minute or thereabouts).

However, the range doesn't matter in co-op and that just leaves the rate - and I can understand full well if some Co-op players were to consider that not worth the loss of hydroacoustic search.

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1 hour ago, Ensign_Cthulhu said:

However, the range doesn't matter in co-op and that just leaves the rate - and I can understand full well if some Co-op players were to consider that not worth the loss of hydroacoustic search.

You're right about that, I'll say. No argument there... lol. :Smile_hiding:

Personally for me, it's not like I can't play a DD without a hydro in Coop, because the bots actually aren't hard to figure out anyway... so I decided to just let that slide. I don't know, maybe it's just me... lul. :Smile_hiding:

On the flip side, 65 seconds reload for quintuple set is really great. Even Z-46 with both the torp upgrade and the torp captain skill caps at 68-point-something seconds. That extra 3 seconds can sometimes mean a difference between getting sunk by BB HE shells from an angry bot, or sinking it yourself... though I will admit that it can be a bit of stretch, lal. :Smile_hiding:

I'm still a bit iffy about her torpedo alpha though, as I already mentioned. It just feels not oomphy enough, for a quintuple set.

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I haven't followed too much into Z-44 but I do know Tech Tree Z-46 is a highlight ship of the German DD Line.  Z-46 compares quite favorably against Z-44.

Here is Z-46 and Z-44 in similar 12-pt Stealth + Torpedo Focus + SE Hybrid Builds.

 

What Z-46 has going for and against her compared to Z-44 if we're looking at a PVE perspective:

+ Has Hydro

+ Torps reload just as fast as Z-44

+ Z-44 torpedo range advantage of 12km compared to Z-46 9.9km is meaningless in Co-op because DDs go for short range drops in Co-op.  For example, with Shimakaze, I go for the fast reloading F3 torps with short 8km range instead of her longer range fish that reload slower

+ Torps hit a bit harder 14.4k, vs Z-44 13.7k

+ Doesn't have Cruiser turret traverse for the guns (both are armed with 128mm guns)

+1 extra gun over Z-44.

- 8 torpedoes vs 10 of Z-44

 

 

I don't think Z-44 is worth it considering how good -46 is.  -44 has the extra gun and 2 extra fish, but is it worth $77.20 USD for the base package compared to what you get with free Z-46?  No.  If we were talking buying Benham compared to Fletcher, that'd be a hell yes, because Benham is a beast.  Z-44?  I don't see that.

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My gun count was reversed between Z-44 and -46.
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I picked her up, but only have 2 games in her.  She is a true torpedo boat.  Her guns are lacking, but she can lay out some serious hurt with her fish.  Not enough games to make any definitive assessment, but my initial impression is that she is a real solid ship.  I feel that she is a better ship than the Z-46, but I tend to prefer torpedo destroyers to gunboat DDs.

 

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On 12/6/2020 at 1:17 AM, HazeGrayUnderway said:

-44 has the extra gun

Wiki says that Z-46 has three twins and Z-44 five singles. Are you sure you're not getting some wires crossed here?

I took one look at Z-44 and understood that her sales pitch is more torpedoes with longer range than any other German DD. She's designed to be able to stand off from Russian radar cruisers and torp them from beyond radar range if they are on an inbound course.  That's not a ship that's weighted toward co-op, especially when you lose hydro in order to get it.

If my Randoms:Co-op ratio were the inverse of what it currently is, I might have picked her up. As things stand, I already have one German premium DD, T-61, which is great fun in either mode. I don't need another; and if I do, it isn't this one.

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6 hours ago, Ensign_Cthulhu said:

Wiki says that Z-46 has three twins and Z-44 five singles. Are you sure you're not getting some wires crossed here?

I took one look at Z-44 and understood that her sales pitch is more torpedoes with longer range than any other German DD. She's designed to be able to stand off from Russian radar cruisers and torp them from beyond radar range if they are on an inbound course.  That's not a ship that's weighted toward co-op, especially when you lose hydro in order to get it.

If my Randoms:Co-op ratio were the inverse of what it currently is, I might have picked her up. As things stand, I already have one German premium DD, T-61, which is great fun in either mode. I don't need another; and if I do, it isn't this one.

Ha, I did get the values wrong for the gun count, will fix my post.  So it's even worse.

 

Yeah, the extra range is more useful in Random Battles but it isn't so in Co-op.

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I guess I'm the only odd duck who actually like the ship, lol. :Smile_teethhappy:

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On 12/5/2020 at 1:15 AM, Blorgh2017 said:

I know it's only been few days since the latest patch dropped, but I have yet to see the latest shiny super-awesome(lol) German DD in Coop... so I decided to do it moiself, lel. :Smile_teethhappy::Smile_hiding:

In short... she's a yet-another-bot-consuming torpeduh bote~ yay~~ lul. :Smile_teethhappy:

Going O-NOM-NOM-NOM on juicy red bot BB's, especially if you go for double torpedo boosts (the Torpedo Tubes Modification 2 upgrade, plus the Torpedo Armament Expertise captain skill) for that lovely 65 seconds reload... mmmm. :cap_book:

I like the ship very much. My new favorite toy of the month... lal. :Smile_teethhappy:

Only issues I see are the HORRENDOUS gun arc (argh :Smile-angry:), and somewhat low torpedo damage. Not by a lot, compared to Z-46's torpedoes, but it does seem to fall a little short, in terms of total damage per salvo, for a quintuple set. Maybe it's just me... lol. :Smile_hiding:

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I just picked it up for Coal. Had no idea it was offered that way or would have sooner. Still have 750K Coal left. I needed something to spend on LOL.

It's "ok". Kind of a German Benham Lite.

Torps seem to be the standard KM 13,700 damage ones WG puts on most all of them. Once you get to T8+ or so their damage is on the light side compared to most other DD's but 10 of them with a fast reload helps.

No hydro is not a deal breaker for me as nice as it is to have.

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On 12/14/2020 at 4:05 AM, AdmiralThunder said:

No hydro is not a deal breaker for me as nice as it is to have.

Same for me, Admiral. While I agree that the hydro is extremely useful overall, I don't think that it's such a deal breaker for the Coop mode, considering how predictable the bots can be. It's not like it's too difficult to figure out what most of them are gonna do, for most of the time... so I don't see the loss of it as detrimental as it can be, like in the pvp modes. Maybe it's just me, lol. :Smile_hiding:

On the other hand, having quintuple launchers for sixty second reload... now that, I personally find to be very savory... lel. :Smile_teethhappy:

Again, maybe it's just me, lul. :fish_cute_2:

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1 hour ago, Blorgh2017 said:

Same for me, Admiral. While I agree that the hydro is extremely useful overall, I don't think that it's such a deal breaker for the Coop mode, considering how predictable the bots can be. It's not like it's too difficult to figure out what most of them are gonna do, for most of the time... so I don't see the loss of it as detrimental as it can be, like in the pvp modes. Maybe it's just me, lol. :Smile_hiding:

On the other hand, having quintuple launchers for sixty second reload... now that, I personally find to be very savory... lel. :Smile_teethhappy:

Again, maybe it's just me, lul. :fish_cute_2:

She definitely a departure from the standard German DD line.  Once you get used to the idea that she is really a torpedo boat, then this boat will start to shine.:cap_rambo:

 

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 I'm very interested in getting one or both of the German DD's currently in the armory (and on the santa crate list).    I tend to like ships that the forum hates, so... lol.

 No hydro?  No problem- I rarely use it anyway.   Bots are anything but subtle, lol- and if it has torps, odds are they are coming your way.  Act accordingly.

  I do know the tier 8 one  Definitely has a spot in my port- whether via the dub coupon,  or a crate.

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On 12/15/2020 at 3:15 PM, Blorgh2017 said:

Same for me, Admiral. While I agree that the hydro is extremely useful overall, I don't think that it's such a deal breaker for the Coop mode, considering how predictable the bots can be. It's not like it's too difficult to figure out what most of them are gonna do, for most of the time... so I don't see the loss of it as detrimental as it can be, like in the pvp modes. Maybe it's just me, lol. :Smile_hiding:

On the other hand, having quintuple launchers for sixty second reload... now that, I personally find to be very savory... lel. :Smile_teethhappy:

Again, maybe it's just me, lul. :fish_cute_2:

I like it - not well enough to buy the bar a round because I have it, but I have fun in the ship.  I feel it was worth the coal, and I don't hesitate to play it.  Are other DDs, even German ones, better?  I'd say yes, of course.  Am I glad to have Zed44?  Definitely.  I'd put it at the bottom edge of the Gudbote category, but not down in the mehbote section.

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