2,499 [REVY] Sventex Members 8,259 posts 6,118 battles Report post #1 Posted November 28, 2020 I'm just wondering, where would one go to buy an black French Admiral cap to be used as a prop? Or are these things only made to tailor for military personal? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
184 [WOLF8] Slammer58 Members 683 posts 9,420 battles Report post #2 Posted November 28, 2020 Looks like you already have one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4,221 [WOLFG] DrHolmes52 Members 11,593 posts 10,718 battles Report post #3 Posted November 28, 2020 Military Hats and Caps for Sale – International Military Antiques (ima-usa.com) France looked a little thin. Maybe you could contact them and see if they have any ideas. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
8,606 [GWG] BrushWolf [GWG] Alpha Tester 27,718 posts 14,867 battles Report post #4 Posted November 28, 2020 Try this one. https://www.etsy.com/market/french_military_hat Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4,221 [WOLFG] DrHolmes52 Members 11,593 posts 10,718 battles Report post #5 Posted November 28, 2020 Don't type in French Uniform alone. You won't be finding military gear. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
321 [V_V_V] Charon2018 Members 940 posts 16,786 battles Report post #6 Posted November 29, 2020 Be prepared to pay a premuim for that militaria, if you can find one. For a prop, you could almost magnify and print your photo to a paper mold. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,499 [REVY] Sventex Members 8,259 posts 6,118 battles Report post #7 Posted December 1, 2020 On 11/28/2020 at 5:33 PM, Charon2018 said: Be prepared to pay a premuim for that militaria, if you can find one. For a prop, you could almost magnify and print your photo to a paper mold. On ebay I managed to find the WWI black variant of a US Admiral's cap for $65, I'm almost tempted to get that instead. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
321 [V_V_V] Charon2018 Members 940 posts 16,786 battles Report post #8 Posted December 1, 2020 (edited) Sure, if you're good with what appears to be a Pakistani reproduction, ebay is full of them. One WW2 original tailored by Bancroft for a specific admiral I found online went for $595.00 US. Compare its details with the WW1 repro above. The collector's market for original badges, caps, and medals is very well established. Caveat emptor. Have fun. Original U.S. WWII Navy Admiral Lynde Dupuy McCormick Blue Peaked Visor Cap by Bancroft – International Military Antiques Edited December 1, 2020 by Charon2018 add text Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,499 [REVY] Sventex Members 8,259 posts 6,118 battles Report post #9 Posted December 2, 2020 5 hours ago, Charon2018 said: Sure, if you're good with what appears to be a Pakistani reproduction, ebay is full of them. One WW2 original tailored by Bancroft for a specific admiral I found online went for $595.00 US. Compare its details with the WW1 repro above. The collector's market for original badges, caps, and medals is very well established. Caveat emptor. Have fun. Original U.S. WWII Navy Admiral Lynde Dupuy McCormick Blue Peaked Visor Cap by Bancroft – International Military Antiques I worry if I'm approaching stolen valor territory if I start wearing a legitimate Admiral's hat. In fact, I'm so concerned about crossing a line, I'm thinking of using a Merchant Marine cap as a prop instead, since I think there's less possibility for someone to take offence. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
321 [V_V_V] Charon2018 Members 940 posts 16,786 battles Report post #10 Posted December 2, 2020 The Merchant Marine has also been valorous; I would think you run that risk as well using such a device to enhance for effect. I would think that wearing any original such article or reproduction (particularly for profit, or even casually) may give offence to serving personnel or relatives unless you identify as an actor/reenactor. I still have my Dad's USMC dress blues, but I never wore them, even when I could fit in them. Some things just aren't done. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,499 [REVY] Sventex Members 8,259 posts 6,118 battles Report post #11 Posted December 2, 2020 45 minutes ago, Charon2018 said: The Merchant Marine has also been valorous; I would think you run that risk as well using such a device to enhance for effect. I would think that wearing any original such article or reproduction (particularly for profit, or even casually) may give offence to serving personnel or relatives unless you identify as an actor/reenactor. I still have my Dad's USMC dress blues, but I never wore them, even when I could fit in them. Some things just aren't done. But I know there's a line somewhere. I do not think one would take offence at someone wearing a bicorne when discussing naval matters and I don't think any serving personal would think twice over someone wearing a civil war hardee hat. It's been over a 100 years since WWI, would a WWI specific naval cap still be too close to stolen valor? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
321 [V_V_V] Charon2018 Members 940 posts 16,786 battles Report post #12 Posted December 2, 2020 8 hours ago, Sventex said: would a WWI specific naval cap still be too close to stolen valor? What's the context? Since you haven't revealed your plan for use of such a "prop"... Examples: 1) If the distinguished-looking individuals pictured above were staff or volunteer tour guides to the vessel in the background and recounting it's history as as part of a celebration, I might think they are identifying as reenactors and could accept tips after a tour. Huzza! 2) If they were standing together with an open banjo case singing sidewalk sea shanties outside Treasure Island in Las Vegas, I might think differently of their "roles". YMMV. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,499 [REVY] Sventex Members 8,259 posts 6,118 battles Report post #13 Posted December 2, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Charon2018 said: What's the context? Since you haven't revealed your plan for use of such a "prop"... Examples: 1) If the distinguished-looking individuals pictured above were staff or volunteer tour guides to the vessel in the background and recounting it's history as as part of a celebration, I might think they are identifying as reenactors and could accept tips after a tour. Huzza! 2) If they were standing together with an open banjo case singing sidewalk sea shanties outside Treasure Island in Las Vegas, I might think differently of their "roles". YMMV. For armchair admiraling when discussing history and possibly for use in photoshop to update my avatar in future. Edited December 2, 2020 by Sventex Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
321 [V_V_V] Charon2018 Members 940 posts 16,786 battles Report post #14 Posted December 2, 2020 7 minutes ago, Sventex said: For armchair admiraling when discussing history and possibly for use in photoshop to update my avatar in future. IMO, any such use you do here and in the game is subject to the limitations of the EULA. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,499 [REVY] Sventex Members 8,259 posts 6,118 battles Report post #15 Posted December 2, 2020 26 minutes ago, Charon2018 said: IMO, any such use you do here and in the game is subject to the limitations of the EULA. I don't know what that means. Is my current avatar against the rules? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,499 [REVY] Sventex Members 8,259 posts 6,118 battles Report post #16 Posted December 2, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Charon2018 said: What's the context? Since you haven't revealed your plan for use of such a "prop"... Examples: 1) If the distinguished-looking individuals pictured above were staff or volunteer tour guides to the vessel in the background and recounting it's history as as part of a celebration, I might think they are identifying as reenactors and could accept tips after a tour. Huzza! 2) If they were standing together with an open banjo case singing sidewalk sea shanties outside Treasure Island in Las Vegas, I might think differently of their "roles". YMMV. Also Dasha wears a cap, is that taboo or acceptable? When your just playing a role for fun, it should be okay right? Edited December 2, 2020 by Sventex Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
321 [V_V_V] Charon2018 Members 940 posts 16,786 battles Report post #17 Posted December 2, 2020 36 minutes ago, Sventex said: I don't know what that means. Is my current avatar against the rules? 7 minutes ago, Sventex said: Also Dasha wears a cap, is that taboo or acceptable? EULA=End User LIcense Agreement-the one you agreed to abide by when you signed up for WoWs. These are questions to PM a WoWs staff member with. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,499 [REVY] Sventex Members 8,259 posts 6,118 battles Report post #18 Posted December 2, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Charon2018 said: EULA=End User LIcense Agreement-the one you agreed to abide by when you signed up for WoWs. But what does EULA have to do with me wearing a hat? I don't understand. I don't see how a EULA would have any relation to my personal attire or what my hobbies are or what I do on youtube. Edited December 2, 2020 by Sventex Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
321 [V_V_V] Charon2018 Members 940 posts 16,786 battles Report post #19 Posted December 2, 2020 1 minute ago, Sventex said: But what does EULA have to do with me wearing a hat? I don't understand. 4 minutes ago, Charon2018 said: These are questions to PM a WoWs staff member with. These are questions to PM a WoWs staff member with. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,499 [REVY] Sventex Members 8,259 posts 6,118 battles Report post #20 Posted December 2, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Charon2018 said: These are questions to PM a WoWs staff member with. I don't think they are. They cannot have me arrested or sued because I'm physically wearing a hat in another country nor do I think they have me banned because my avatar is wearing a hat. Many forum posters have avatars with hats. I don't understand why you brought up EULA at all, why are you asking me to PM WoW staff over personal attire? This issue doesn't seem like an issue that would relate to WoW staff in any way and I wouldn't get an answer. Edited December 2, 2020 by Sventex Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
101 [WTAF] Kenrod_Melrocity Members 235 posts 8,921 battles Report post #21 Posted December 2, 2020 It’s only “stolen valor” if you present yourself as an actual vet and lie about having served. There are hundreds, thousands, of people who are into reenactment and nobody is accusing them of stolen valor. It’s the lie, not wearing the uniform. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
321 [V_V_V] Charon2018 Members 940 posts 16,786 battles Report post #22 Posted December 2, 2020 10 minutes ago, Sventex said: I don't think they are. They cannot have me arrested or sued because I'm physically wearing a hat in another country nor do I think they have me banned because my avatar is wearing a hat. Many forum posters have avatars with hats. I don't understand why you brought up EULA at all, why are you asking me to PM WoW staff over personal attire? This issue doesn't seem like an issue that would relate to WoW staff in any way and I wouldn't get an answer. You asked the questions, I gave you my opinions. If you want to discuss potential ramifications of the EULA regarding your activities, I invite you to do so with Staff. Otherwise I assume you are trolling. Enough said by me. Happy landings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,499 [REVY] Sventex Members 8,259 posts 6,118 battles Report post #23 Posted December 2, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Kenrod_Melrocity said: It’s only “stolen valor” if you present yourself as an actual vet and lie about having served. There are hundreds, thousands, of people who are into reenactment and nobody is accusing them of stolen valor. It’s the lie, not wearing the uniform. Yeah I'm never going to present myself as an actual vet, I'm more seeking the cap in the same vein that WGing dressing up Jingles and Drachinfel discussing naval history. It's purely for discussing history at home. Edited December 2, 2020 by Sventex Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,499 [REVY] Sventex Members 8,259 posts 6,118 battles Report post #24 Posted December 2, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Charon2018 said: If you want to discuss potential ramifications of the EULA regarding your activities, I invite you to do so with Staff. But I don't because I don't see how this is at all related to EULA. I asked you what you meant by bringing up EULA but you haven't answer that. 6 minutes ago, Charon2018 said: Otherwise I assume you are trolling. Are you reverse trolling me? Why do you want me to talk to WGing staff? You haven't answer that! Why should WGing staff be involved? I don't see *any* connection to WGing staff and a hat. Edited December 2, 2020 by Sventex Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
217 [D-H-O] DEWEY_96_ Beta Testers, Volunteer Moderator 312 posts 6,829 battles Report post #25 Posted December 2, 2020 I am NOT WG Staff... but just to throw this out there... If you are going to state that something violations EULA... unless it's blaringly obvious, you might want to reference what part of the EULA that it is violating. I was drawn to this thread for outside reasons but it got me reading through the EULA again and I can't find where using a military hat would violate it. The closest you would be is if you were using it to impersonate an officer/service man or woman... then you may be violating laws in some way and that would be a EULA violation. I think the OP clearly stated that it would be used as a prop, not to promote themselves as a member of an armed service which eliminates that possibility. I would point out that some streamers wear hats and emblems during streams that representative of armed services without sanction or reprimand from WG, so I think it would be OK. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
